Headline: Kaine to Defend Fees for Bad Drivers in News Conference today

By: Dianne
Published On: 7/19/2007 11:10:19 AM

The WaPo has this story in today's edition.  There's to be a news conference with the Governor and Bill Howell at 2 p.m.  From the last paragraph:

Kaine and Howell, who will be joined by top Senate Republicans, are expected to say today to say they will explore ways to assess the fees on both in-state and out-of-state motorists when the General Assembly reconvenes in January.
 
Are the Democrats avoiding this like the plague?  Your comments now....or after the news conference?


Comments



Tim Kaine (Draft Me Please - 7/19/2007 11:44:45 AM)
is killing me. Leave this issue alone, it is massively unpopular, and just plain wrong.


Uh...I Thought That Governor Kaine's Hands Were Tied (HisRock - 7/19/2007 11:46:35 AM)
by the Republicans who forced him to accept these fees or else not get his transportation bill passed?  And that JMDD was flip-flopping on the issue?  And that "Republican" always means "Bad, Bad, Bad" and that "Democratic" always means "Good, Good, Good."

Tell me it ain't so.



Challengers (brimur - 7/19/2007 12:24:11 PM)
Tim Kaine ain't on the ballot this fall my friend.


Wrong position (Hugo Estrada - 7/19/2007 12:34:01 PM)
It should be very clear now that the fees are very unpopular. And they are unjust as well.

I must admit that I rather pay $50 or $100 more in taxes for road repair than get slapped with one of these fees. I is just more honest to tax people a low amount than to financially crippled a person who broke a traffic law.



It was made abundantly clear (Teddy - 7/19/2007 12:50:02 PM)
all during the last election and the subsequent sessions of the Assembly that absolutely NO, repeat NO taxes were to be raised. Period. This was the flat non-negotiable position of the Republicans everwhere (only exceptions were some old moderate Republican Senators, and they have since either been defeated in primaries or prudently retired). Given that political topography, how would it be possible for Kaine to achieve any kind of transportation bill, especially when it is well understood that the Republicans resented his defeat of Kilgore and had absolutely no intention of giving Kaine any legislative victories? We see this same scorched earth policy from Republicans at a national level in the so-called Senate debate.

Therefore, I completely understand why Kaine did what he did. And, what he is doing now, in an effort to save some shambling semblance of a transportation policy. Unpalatable, but he is keeping his eye on the ball, so far as he sees it. I imagine the Republicans are cackling in glee, having successfully tarred him with the brush which, given the historical sequence of events, is basically their brush of tar: a revengeful piece of legislation.

When I talked with various Delegates after the passage of the bill, one after another said they held their nose and voted for it (if they did) because "otherwise we would have had nothing." It was the best the Republicans would let them have. Why do not people understand how legislation is made? I know, I know, it's like sausage, you don't really want to know what goes into it, but in this case we need to knock it off and concentrate on WHY Kaine is in this position, and get the message out.



Sausage... (Eric - 7/19/2007 1:03:23 PM)
Ya know, if the law making process was ugly but the end result was good (like sausage making and sausage), I wouldn't mind.  But the end result of this shitty law making process is a shitty law. 


Tolerating a bad law (Draft Me Please - 7/19/2007 1:12:46 PM)
and holding a press conference with effing Bill Howell to tout the law are two different things. Who is advising this guy?


Since when (MohawkOV1D - 7/19/2007 2:02:22 PM)
has doing something, even if it's wrong, better than doing nothing?

He's term limited - raise the Gas tax.



He can't (Pain - 7/19/2007 2:06:24 PM)
The republicans already said they wouldn't raise the tax. 

But guess what?  Now they have public outcry over a really really bad policy, and if the governor vetos any bill to do away with the fees, then what? :)

I'm telling ya.  Crazy like a fox.



Take the Wayback Machine to 9/28/06 (Lowell - 7/19/2007 1:10:39 PM)


Pretty good video (Teddy - 7/19/2007 4:10:22 PM)
Who put it together. I hope it has wide distribution. Heh.


The bill is based on a flawed principle (Tomanus - 7/19/2007 1:23:31 PM)
The principle and the primary intent of the bill is flawed and the governor (a Harvard Law graduate) should have known better and not signed it into law.
Penalties to curb traffic or driving violations must be designed for that sole purpose and not be used as means to collect taxes. Most Virginians would support any taxes needed to improve the transportation system.

Our elected officials need to have the courage to explain to the People the need to raise taxes for a specific purpose and use these taxes for such purpose only.
There is this misconception that taxes are bad, and it has become an established practice for politicians to avoid the phrase "raise taxes".
I guess people haven't figured out that one cannot raise funds to improve an important public good such as the transportation system by cutting taxes...



100% correct view of this disasterous legislation!!! (Dianne - 7/19/2007 6:48:08 PM)


Eh. (Kenton - 7/19/2007 1:24:45 PM)
Maybe we should just keep milking the issue until, say, October 28, then call a special session.


I've (leftofcenter - 7/19/2007 1:39:52 PM)
tolerated all the happy talk about Tim Kaine, all the pandering to him about this law but I draw the line at him standing up with a bunch of REPUBLICANS and touting this law because none of them has the courage or political will to raise the gas tax .01 or .02.

For  cryin? out loud he?s a DEMOCRAT. How many democrats are at this press conference? Wait, I forgot, this is supposed to be BIpartisian.

I?m completely disgusted now.



I?m completely disgusted now. too (pvogel - 7/19/2007 1:44:34 PM)
ok folks once again......

  out of staters are zipping up I 81 right now at 95 mph, the virginins are doing 65 o 70.  Its a disater in the making.

Kain will share the bloodshed blame.

If you work in kaines office and read this blog, let him know that  this unequal protection is the R E P U B L I CAN way of doing things.

We will excoomunicate him from the democratic party if he supports this piece of crap law.



Crazy like a fox. (Pain - 7/19/2007 1:58:19 PM)
Folks.  What happens if Kaine veto's any bill that lifts the bad fees?

Put your thinking caps on and ponder that one for a sec.



Jay Donahue Responds to Rust Abuser Fee Comments (Lowell - 7/19/2007 2:12:12 PM)
"In their political haste to show "progress" on transportation, Delegate Rust and his colleagues gave out of state abusers a free ride."

Herndon, Va. - In the July 18 edition of the Herndon Times, Delegate Tom Rust once again defended his "abuser fee" legislation and expressed surprise at the negative public reaction.

What Delegate Rust fails to understand is that his abuser fee concept violates principles of fairness that most Virginians hold dear. His inability to understand the public reaction strongly suggests he is out of touch with his constituents.

Virginians believe that two people who commit exactly the same violation should face the same punishment. The fact that one offender resides outside the state is no excuse to allow immunity from punishment that Virginians will suffer.

These abuser fees will not generate substantial funding for our roads. As drivers modify their habits revenue will decrease. With the huge number of out of state drivers using Virginia roads, we must explore methods to require they pay a fair share of costs.

I agree with Delegate Rust that this is a lesson in "raw politics". The abuser fee is a small crutch propping up a transportation bill rushed through the House of Delegates in an election year. In their political haste to show "progress" on transportation, Delegate Rust and his colleagues gave allowed out of state abusers a free ride. As a result he increased the burden Virginians, particularly Northern Virginians, must shoulder.



Interesting analysis (Lowell - 7/19/2007 3:00:02 PM)
IF VIRGINIA GOV. TIM KAINE was running for re-election, standing firm behind the commonwealth's new ? and much-hated ? "civil remedial fees" for traffic violations might be political suicide. But Virginia governors can't serve two consecutive terms (and even if they could, Kaine's term doesn't expire until 2010). So Kaine won't feel the heat, at least at the polls.

Source:  Washington Express



Thats what I was getting at above... (Pain - 7/19/2007 3:32:44 PM)
Crazy like a fox.  All the republicans kept saying they didn't want to raise taxes.  Fine, then come up with something else that will work.  Oops!

Now, if the governor says he will veto all attempts to lift these stupid fees, then the republicans can either support a tax, or they can stand by their dumbass fees and see where that gets them.

I'm thinkin we're going to see a tax come out of this in the end.



That's backwards - unless you're rooting for the Republicans! (Eric - 7/19/2007 3:41:42 PM)
Yes, Kaine could in theory force the Republicans to come up with a tax solution.  But if he is doing it the way you describe he ends up looking like the bad guy (standing firm on the fees) and at the same makes all the Republicans (who ultimately propose the solution that public wants) look like the good guys. 

He would then have to argue that none of this was necessary if the Republicans hadn't been so flat-earth in the first place, therefore they're the bad guys.  Even though they just proposed the popular solution.  That won't hold much water.

Why not just save the day - order a special session and demand taxes instead of fees?  He'll look like a strong leader, he helps the Democratic party, and he gives the people what they want.



Too soon to say (Pain - 7/19/2007 3:52:20 PM)
He might just do what you say, but as long as the republicans have more power then all he can do is play by their rules.  They want the fees, then give them the fees.


Agreed. (Eric - 7/19/2007 4:21:59 PM)
It might not work, but he would still look like a real leader in that he's trying to do not only the right thing, but also what the people want. 


Every Democrat but Kaine is avoiding this, for good reason. (Draft Me Please - 7/19/2007 5:08:44 PM)
It's a shitty law. The fees, the whole package are poor leadership personified, and our Governor is out there playing bitch to the House Republicans again. Disappointing to say the least. It's a shame that Democratic challengers have to run against the Governor in July of a major election year.


Oh (leftofcenter - 7/19/2007 8:04:16 PM)
yeh. That says it all. Kaine playing bitch to the repugs.  This thing is a REPUBLICAN issue. Why is our DEMOCRATIC governor standing up with these guys? He should LET it be a republican issue and let them pay in November.
DAMN. Who is advising Kaine anyway???


Taxing reckless drivers (ForeverDem - 7/20/2007 6:41:29 PM)

Last time I checked, reckless driving kills or maims tens of thousands of people every year.
Taxing reckless drivers is a bad idea??? On what planet???