Nick Rerras: Mental illness comes from demons, God's wrath

By: elevandoski
Published On: 6/29/2007 7:25:08 AM

[UPDATE by Rob: Here's the quote from the linked Pilot story:

During the discussion, Rerras said he believed mental illness was caused by demons, according to Armstrong and another person who heard the conversation...

Rerras also said he believed that God may be punishing families by giving children mental illnesses, according to the other person who heard the conversation.

That's just straight up crazy.  This guy is a state senator?!  The original diary after the flip.]



Recent events at Virginia Tech underscore the fact that Virginia is tragically behind the curve in its understanding and treatment of the mentally disabled. Indeed this tragedy has "given new urgency to calls to reform the state's mental health system." Investigations are underway by both the Virginia Tech Commission and the Supreme Court Commission on Mental Health Law Reform.

The impetus for needed change will soon turn to the General Assembly. However, in repeated comments, Nick Rerras has revealed himself as unworthy of this important task. Rerras is possessed of a complete disregard for the disabled.

In both 2000 and 2003, Nick Rerras in the audience of local community services boards and mental health advocates spurted out his bizarre beliefs on the origin of mental illness. Nick Rerras repeatedly stated that he believed mental illness was caused by demons and that God may be punishing families by giving children mental illnesses. (Source)

Advocates have made their concerns public in recent weeks. They say they tried to work with Rerras during his first term as senator but feel he will never be their advocate.

Kathy Weaver, president of the Norfolk chapter, said the remarks reinforced the stigma against the mentally ill. It's a lack of sensitivity, she said. These people are generally forgotten.

Advocates also say the senator's remarks on two separate occasions, three years apart displayed an ignorance of mental health issues at a vital junction in Virginia's care for the mentally ill.

"William L. Hathaway, director of the psychology department at Regent University in Virginia Beach, said the idea of demonization that mental illness is caused by demons is an extreme position even for conservative Christians", the VP article continues. "But psychological problems are rooted in biological and social causes, he said. To attribute serious psychological disorders to demons, he said, 'does a great injustice to the mentally ill.'

At this critical juncture, we can ill afford an elected representative so ignorant of the needs and unrealized potential of the mentally ill.


Comments



Disturbing (Susan P. - 6/29/2007 8:12:06 AM)
  It is also disturbing to learn that Nick Rerras is on the Senate Courts of Justice Committee and the Joint Commission on Health Care.

  Why was someone with this documented record of ignorance and insensitivity to the needs of the disabled placed on these important committees?



Superstition (David Campbell - 6/29/2007 8:38:17 AM)
BEDEVERE: What makes you think she is a witch?
VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt.
BEDEVERE: A newt?
VILLAGER #3: I got better.
VILLAGER #2: Burn her anyway!
(Monty Python and the Holy Grail)


Maybe Rerras's mental illness is the lone demon exception ? (Tom Counts - 6/29/2007 10:03:47 AM)
If ever there was a person deserving God's punishment, it would have to be Nick. It's hard to decide which came first, his ignorance or his mental illness. He is definitley a clear and present danger to society. As soon as the General Assembly can pass a law that makes it possible to permanently commit dangerously mentally ill people like Rerras he should be the first to be committed. 

Or another theory might be that Rerras is a demon himself. Cheney has recently been (correctly) called the devil incarnate. Many people do give the same meaning to the words demon and devil. It would then follow that Rerras is also the devil incarnate.

Recognizing that it would take too long to get Nick committed, the obvious conclusion is that the most efficient solution is to vote him out of office so he can help Pat Robertson think of more idiotic things to say.

  T.C.



It's easy to get someone committed now, so who's going to do it? (personwho - 6/29/2007 10:32:44 AM)
Only 9% of commitment hearings in the state of Virginia in May ended in the case being dismissed, and that includes folks who were intoxicated on drugs or alcohol and sobered up during the TDO period.  So who's going to file the TDO on this guy? .

On another note, the law will never be changed to permanently commit anyone, that's unconstitutional and dangerous to all of us. But 180 days for calling folks possesed seems fair to me...:)



This is What Happens in Our Area (Susan P. - 6/29/2007 11:24:56 AM)
As a professional very familiar with the mental health system, I find your statistics very, very hard to believe.  Here's a more accurate description of what happens, day after day after day, in our area of the Commonwealth:

Family pushes for changes in state mental health system
http://content.hampt...]

A call for help.  A police officer, not a mental health screener, responds.  No indication as to whether emergency services even bothered to contact the mental health screener, since it would be absolutely fruitless.  As usual, there are no psychiatric beds in this part of the state.  Why waste everybody's time?  The mentally ill individual, a 59 year old grandmother who is hallucinating and hearing voices, pushes a lamp shade down stairs (what a dangerous criminal!), and is arrested, not taken for treatment.  She is jailed, and the rest is history.  She now has a criminal record, not the treatment and help that she should have immediately received for this fairly common mental health crisis.



For Susan P. (personwho - 6/29/2007 12:09:03 PM)
These aren't "my" statistics, they come from a study done by a University of Virginia researcher commissioned by the Chief Justice's Commission on Mental Health Law Reform and released on Friday.  If you send me your email address, I could send you the powerpoint of the study.  What makes you think I am not a professional by the way?  Interesting assumption on your part. 

What you are talking about is not commitment hearings but how people aren't educated in our commitment laws in this state and don't use them nor follow them.  Calling the police is stupid when someone is in an MH crisis, yes, it will lead to an arrest, unless the officer is one of the few with CIT training, police officers job is to arrest people, what do you expect?  I didn't go read the link because I have heard too many of these stories.  If someone is doing so poorly that they need hospitalization, family members can go to their CSB and get a Temporary Detention Order.  If the CSB in your area is not following the law, then complain about the CSB to someone, don't complain about the law.  We have a gravely disabled prong that covers just about anyone who is seriously mentally ill in this state. 

I love it when people choose to just not believe in statistics that don't fit their agendas. 



Right (Susan P. - 6/29/2007 4:33:13 PM)
Nowhere did I assume you were not a professional.  In fact, I assumed you were a professional.  The interesting thing is that you seem to be the only professional willing to defend this system.

And I'm not complaining about the law.  The law is more than adequate to cover these problems.  In fact, the law specifically prohibits housing the mentally ill in jails.  The law's not being followed.  Mental health screeners are not responding to emergency calls, as they are required to, by law.  People are NOT being involuntarily committed when they meet the criteria, as the law requires, because there are no beds.  In fact, I have seen situations (note the use of plural) where the MAGISTRATE advised a family member SEEKING A TDO to call the POLICE.

I'm sure you are very familiar with these stories.  So is everyone who has any experience in this area at all, as they are an unfortunate and unnecessary everyday occurrence.  You need to figure out what they mean.

People who have mentally ill family members can hardly be described as uneducated or stupid.  They get a very rude, very hard education each and every time a crisis occurs, an education in how little their government thinks of them as citizens and of their family members as human beings worthy of respect, dignity, stabilization, and treatment.

I am very familiar with the system in three major areas of the state: Northern Virginia, Hampton Roads, and Richmond.  This is true in all 3, and unfortunately appears to be true in Blacksburg as well, given recent events.

I choose not to believe in statistics that do not fit reality, and the sad reality is that the majority of the mentally ill in crisis do not even reach the TDO stage.  Therefore, these supposed involuntary commitment statistics are beside the point.  The unstable mentally ill are not in the mental health system that is supposed to protect them, they are in the criminal justice system, and are being punished, not treated, for their illness.



Reply (personwho - 6/29/2007 9:04:19 PM)
I'm not defending CSB's not following the law.  Perhaps you aren't aware that there is a major push on to make it even easier to commit someone once they are at a commitment hearing, it is to this as a tactic that I am objecting because it will only make things worse by overloading the system even more than it is now.

We need accountability from CSB's to the Department and to citizens.  We have never had this that I am aware of, correct me if I am wrong please.  We need 24/7 emergency services that are actual emergency services, not an answering service.  We need timely appointments and prioritizing people most in need instead of making everyone wait 3 weeks or more for a first appointment. We need crisis stabilization units in every town and county, not just the very few we finally have now. And these units need to be willing and able to take TDO's of all sorts, not cherry pick who they will accept, just as hospitals need to stop cherry picking who they will admit to psych. units as they do at the hospital I know best. 

We need crisis prevention above all else because right now we are acting as if crises just happen out of nowhere and are unrelated to the lack of choice and quantity of services in the community.  We don't even have adequate day programs nor counseling in most areas of the state, something most states have at a mininum.  We don't have any programs to reach out to people who are unsure if they want services or not as they do in other states, programs that have been shown to work very well.  We have only one Housing First program in this state that I know of. 

The statistics are valid, and I think reflect the utter lack of alternatives and prevention in this state. 



You're Completely Correct.. (Susan P. - 6/29/2007 9:35:46 PM)
I agree with every word above.  We do not have continuity of care, or real accountability.  Plenty of people are being served, but the most critical cases are the ones being dropped or pushed off to another level of government, or to the private sector, and back again.  Your description of the process of cherry picking is exactly right.  If we had continuous effective treatment, a lot of these emergencies would not occur in the first place. 


The True Cause of Mental Illness (Not Harry F. Byrd, Sr. - 6/29/2007 11:02:58 AM)
I thought mental illness was caused by feminazi's?


COMMENT HIDDEN (Brian Kirwin - 6/29/2007 11:25:36 AM)


No, Brian (Susan P. - 6/29/2007 11:29:21 AM)
"Current" is believing that the mentally ill are possessed by demons, just as they did in the 13th century.  Well, that's how far Rerras has evolved, anyway.


COMMENT HIDDEN (Brian Kirwin - 6/29/2007 11:46:20 AM)


What's the "truth," then? (Lowell - 6/29/2007 11:48:15 AM)
Did Nick Rerras not say these things?  Does he not really believe them?  Do YOU believe that mental illness is caused by demons and "God's wrath?"  What's your argument here, exactly, except to attack Democrats (which isn't a counter-argument to what Rerras has said)?


? (Brian Kirwin - 6/29/2007 11:53:47 AM)
Lowell, if you don't know the truth, that says more than I can say about this post.


You're still not answering any questions. (Lowell - 6/29/2007 11:59:21 AM)
Obviously, you don't have any answers.


I mean, I understand how embarassing this is (Lowell - 6/29/2007 12:00:50 PM)
Nick Rerras has disqualified himself for any office in Virginia - or anywhere else - by reverting back to the Dark Ages in his views on mental illness.  If I were a Rerras supporter, I'd be speechless as well, or frantically trying to shoot the messenger (in this case, the Virginian-Pilot).


Didn't Even Live Here? (Susan P. - 6/29/2007 11:58:34 AM)
I've lived here continuously since 1992, Brian, and for some time before that.  And I sure believe it.  And please show me where Nick Rerras ever clearly and credibly denied it.  He just said he was misunderstood. Just like the FemiNazi non-apology, "I have apologized for any mistakes I may have made."


This was 2003 -- and he's up for re-election. (Rob - 6/29/2007 1:57:27 PM)
Does all your party have to offer is crazies like this?  Also, he admits in the AP article Lowell posted below that he posed the "spiritual causes" as a potential explanation in a question.  That's enough in my book to put this guy in the crazy "I hate science" category.  I bet he believes in creationism too.


Also, see this AP article (Lowell - 6/29/2007 12:06:31 PM)
Mental health advocates: Senator blamed demons for mental illness
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NORFOLK, Va. (AP) - Mental health advocates contend state Sen. D. Nick Rerras has said at least twice since 2000 that he believes mental illness is caused by sin and demonic possession, a claim Rerras denounced Saturday as false and desperate election-eve politics.

The Virginian-Pilot newspaper reported Saturday that the conservative Christian Republican made such comments in the presence of people closely tied to mental health organizations.

The newspaper said the mental health advocates raised the issue three days before Tuesday's legislative elections, in which Rerras seeks re-election to a second term over Democratic challenger Andy Protogyrou.

Rerras, in a telephone interview between campaign stops, said the charges were flatly untrue and that he was angered by their timing.

"I've always supported mental health programs, and I think they're on the verge of slander in accusing me of things that I've never said. I never made the statement that they say I did. I never said mental illness or mental health problems are from demonic possession," Rerras said.

The newspaper said the first comments were made in a conversation at a January 2000 breakfast banquet for community service boards from across the state. As the state gradually shifts its mental health services from centralized institutions to small, local agencies, the boards coordinate the services for patients.

Bob Armstrong, a member of the Norfolk Community Services Board and the father of a child with mental illness, and another person the newspaper did not identify were sitting near Rerras when the discussion turned to mental illness, the newspaper said.

According to Armstrong, Rerras said he believed demons caused mental illness and said that God may be punishing families by making their children mentally ill, the report said.

Neither Armstrong nor the other participant are associated with the Protogyrou campaign.

Rerras disputed the account.

"I asked a question: 'Could some forms of multiple personality disorder have some form of spiritual origin?' I asked the question, and that was it. I made no assertion that any mental illness is the result of demonic possession," he said.

In June, Honey Biberman, a Norfolk resident who is active in the local chapter of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, said she asked Rerras if he still believed mental illness was caused by spirits, and Rerras restated his belief that mental illness had spiritual origins, the newspaper said.

The newspaper said Rerras said in an interview that he did not remember precise details of the conversation with Biberman, but said demons could be a possible component of mental illness.

Rerras' voting record is not hostile toward mental health initiatives. In 2002, he sponsored legislation that clarified the services provided by the community services boards. He has voted with the majority on most all the mental health bills considered during his four years in the Senate.

"I've supported every mental health program we have had. I've toured the facilities. I've been an advocate," Rerras said.

"Here they are just three days before an election saying these things while no one at that table has brought this up to me in the four years since then," Rerras said.



So he even admits that he wondered if there are spiritual causes to mental illness. (Rob - 6/29/2007 1:49:36 PM)
"I asked a question: 'Could some forms of multiple personality disorder have some form of spiritual origin?' I asked the question, and that was it. I made no assertion that any mental illness is the result of demonic possession," he said.

Yikes.



Rerras-The Mental Health Scholar (marcia graham - 6/29/2007 5:24:01 PM)
I suppose it is good that Rerras is asking questions, instead of giving answers. He seems to have  a problem with knowing the right answers.