Fred Thompson Follows Bush/Cheney Tradition of Making Stuff Up

By: TheGreenMiles
Published On: 6/6/2007 10:01:30 AM

Fred Thompson may have quit his day job at "Law & Order," but he hasn't given up the business of spouting fiction.

In the last month, Thompson has pledged his allegiance to the new conservative media strategy -- if the facts don't support your opinion, simply make up your own set of facts.  Iraq has provided the most of examples of this, from Dick Cheney's "last throes" to John McCain's "this Baghdad market would be perfectly safe even if I didn't have 30 armed Marines with me."

But Thompson has branched out well beyond conservatives' magic fantasy land of Safe Democratic Iraq.  And it makes you wonder if Fast Freddie is any more honest than Bush & Cheney -- whose staff he's raiding.

Let's take a closer look at Thompson's most recent lies about global warming and the Scooter Libby case.


Here's Thompson on global warming:

Now scientists are telling us that Mars is experiencing its own planetary warming: Martian warming. It seems scientists have noticed recently that quite a few planets in our solar system seem to be heating up a bit, including Pluto.

NASA says the Martian South Pole's 'ice cap' has been shrinking for three summers in a row. Maybe Mars got its fever from earth. If so, I guess Jupiter's caught the same cold, because it's warming up too, like Pluto.

This has led some people, not necessarily scientists, to wonder if Mars and Jupiter, non signatories to the Kyoto Treaty, are actually inhabited by alien SUV-driving industrialists who run their air-conditioning at 60 degrees and refuse to recycle.

Silly, I know, but I wonder what all those planets, dwarf planets and moons in our SOLAR system have in common. Hmmmm. SOLAR system. Hmmmm. Solar? I wonder. Nah, I guess we shouldn't even be talking about this. The science is absolutely decided. There's a consensus.

Ask Galileo.


Very interesting.  Unfortunately, it's completely false:

1) Pluto isn't a planet
2) Thompson's argument was disproven last year

And ironically enough, the scientist who conducted the study used Thompson's own analogy to illustrate how dated the solar heating hypothesis is:

Solar astronomer Peter Foukal of Heliophysics, Inc., in Nahant, Massachusetts, points out that scientists have pondered the link between the sun and Earth's climate since the time of Galileo, the famous 17th-century astronomer.

"There has been an intuitive perception that the sun's variable degree of brightness - the coming and going of sunspots for instance?might have an impact on climate," Foukal said.

Foukal is lead author of a review paper on sunspot intensity appearing in tomorrow's issue of the journal Nature.

He says that most climate models - including ones used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - already incorporate the effects of the sun's waxing and waning power on Earth's weather (related images: our stormy star).

But, Foukal said, "this paper says that that particular mechanism [sunspots], which is most intuitive, is probably not having an impact."

Thompson's attempt to rewrite established science comes a month after he engaged in some revisionist history in the CIA leak case:

The only problem with this little scenario was that there was no violation of the law, by anyone, and everybody - the CIA, the Justice Department and the Special Counsel knew it. Ms. Plame was not a 'covered person' under the statute and it was obvious from the outset.

Furthermore, Justice and the Special Counsel knew who leaked Plames's name and it wasn't Scooter Libby.


Thompson actually managed to fit three lies into three sentences:

1) Libby violated the law by lying to the special prosecutor and to the grand jury.  That's why he's going to prison for 30 months.
2) Even Bush's own CIA Director has admitted Plame was a covert operative.
3) Libby leaked Plame's identity along with Richard Armitage, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove, all of whom are the target of an ongoing civil suit by Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson.

So why would Thompson make stuff up to make Scooter look good? 

He's a member of the Advisory Board of the Scooter Libby Legal Defense Trust, and apparently Thompson is willing to lie to protect his friends -- just like Bush and Cheney.


Comments



I find it oddly appropriate (Pain - 6/6/2007 11:21:20 AM)
that you chose a picture of Thompson that resembles "Fire Marshall Bill" for a post concerning global warming.


It just Takes One (J.Scott - 6/6/2007 12:25:22 PM)
Wow. I am impressed that someone found "one" scientist to disprove someone elses, especially a politcians theory. I think we take this further into what exactly are we teaching our kids about this whole,thing....as far as by kids know and are taught in earth science that Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto are all planets. Our are we saying, well, they are not really kids when you grown up you come to see earth as the only real planet since you know we live on it!!Sonmetimes I think science is more at risk in schools than religion..maybe we shoul d have had seperation of science  and state I do not know, but it always strikes me as funny how something that supposed to be so rooted in fact can't ever get concensus on much...oh wait its because we are human and play to our human interests or special interests. Whose science is it anyway, yours, mine , theirs. These jokers can't even get concensus on when LIFE even begins and we are supposed to beleive either side when they say man walked with the dinosauers, man didn't walk with them and was'nt around, god created the earth, god didn't create we evolved...is it just me or have we gotten stuck on this path where it matters more of who can p[rove the other side wrong than it does to just simply get it right for all of us. I am so glad I finished school long ago, because what we are teaching our kids today abbout this stuff is ambivelent as heck...you know not wanting to offend this group or that; creationsist or eveolutionists. God help us..and that may just take more than 6 days


Sun has no impact on global warming (virginiavoter - 6/6/2007 1:05:11 PM)
Am I to understand that your position is that the sun does not have effect on this planet's temp.?


Do you have any serious evidence (Lowell - 6/6/2007 1:58:50 PM)
that varying levels of solar radiation are the cause of what we're seeing in terms of global climate change?  And are you arguing that there's no causative relationship between increased greenhouse gas emissions and this phenomenon? 


You're joking, right? (Kindler - 6/6/2007 6:59:28 PM)
Of course our heat depends on the sun, but it's been known since the 1800s that the reason the Earth is able to retain heat is because of the natural greenhouse effect of our atmosphere which traps heat rather than letting it bounce off. 

The question is about the extent to which solar variations are responsible for global warming.  In fact, the work of thousands of the best scientists to date has concluded that the most likely cause of the observed increase in the Earth's temperature in recent years is human activity leading to the increased release of carbon dioxide, methane and other greenhouse gases.



op-ed on Thompson...mustread (presidentialman - 6/6/2007 1:11:32 PM)
Here is a very good op-ed peice talking about the overhype of Thompson as the new Reagan. http://www.washingto....  It's by Richard Cohen. The tease that the WP gave was "There they go again." it talks about how "Reagan was an ideologue. He had converted from New Deal liberalism to Barry Goldwater and Bill Buckley conservatism. It animated his life or, if not that, then at least his political career. He had a deadly serious reason for going into politics, and it was not, as it seemed to some at the time, a continuation of showbiz by other means."  and ends with if Thompson is nominated it spells the exaustion of ideas from the GOP.  It's called "what's his motivation." Very good peice.


Motives (J.Scott - 6/6/2007 6:24:24 PM)
I not too sure I get the whole motivation thing. Thompson is not proclaiming to be Reagan or even the next Reagan, nor has he done anything more in his rhetoric than what Sen. Webb did during his campaign while stating that the Republican party today is not the one he grew to love during the Reagan administration. The GOP is not the same. The GOP has traveled away from conservatism. I don't thin we want to be questioning motivations these days because frankly the stage of Democrats up for the nomination is anything but motivating. Talk about "exaustion" of ideas; not a single vison for the future other lets have one Bush...while that may be pleasant enough and by the way is inevitable,  its just simply not good enough. We, as in all of us, deserve more. Thompson may or may not be it, but the other dogs on either stage ain't huntin.


FOUL! Ref to Nat Geo article/Nature paper highly misleading. (loboforestal - 6/6/2007 1:33:01 PM)
Thompson's argument was disproven last year
Um, you cite a link ... and from the link ...
http://news.national...

(check out page 2)


Sun Not Off the Hook for Warming

The authors and other experts are quick to point out that more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly be driving climate change in ways we don't yet understand.

Solar ultraviolet (UV) rays are one possibility, though that theory creates its own challenges.

Magnetized plasma flares known as solar wind could also impact Earth's climate. Solar wind influences galactic rays and may in turn affect atmospheric phenomena on Earth, such as cloud cover.

The theory that solar activity is driving global warming is NOT disproven.



Hold on a second there! (Kindler - 6/6/2007 6:50:34 PM)
Okay, let's please avoid selective quoting that leaves out such lines as "Climate change carries such high stakes that even more unlikely possibilities [italics added] may capture scientific attention." 

The idea that some solar cause that we don't know of could theoretically have an influence on climate change doesn't change the fact that, based on all available evidence, the best scientists have concluded that human activity is the most likely reason for the observed increase in warming. 

See Pew summary of the science for more info.

Since science is based on facts, not faith, it is always subject to being overturned based on some evidence we haven't yet discovered.  Be that as it may, we have to operate on the best science we have -- which in this case is the evidence that human activity is responsible for climate change.



Be careful ... the paper apparently says this ... (loboforestal - 6/6/2007 8:13:26 PM)
Apart from solar brightness, more subtle influences on climate from cosmic rays or the Sun's ultraviolet radiation cannot be excluded, say the authors.
(from :
http://www.ucar.edu/... - I'm assuming it's a quote from the paper)

The authors of the paper "Variations in solar luminosity and their effect on the Earth's climate" by Foukal,Fröhlich,Spruit and Wigley are explict in saying that solar phenomena can not be excluded in explaining climate change.  They're simply saying the the measure they're using (sunspot measurements since 1978) does not provide enough evidence to fully explain climate change.

http://www.nature.co...
(sorry, you need to pay for it)

"We think" and "we've proven" and "we can't exclude" are all different things.  If we're going to use science, we should be precise in what science is saying. Perhaps your reference to the Pew research would have been a better link.

I actually agree that pollution is likely the source of climate change.



Can anything ever be excluded? (Kindler - 6/6/2007 9:00:37 PM)
"Cannot be excluded" -- of course, science gives all reasonable possibilities the benefit of the doubt, and lets the facts decide the case.  There are a lot of things that "cannot be excluded".  The possibility that any scientific theory -- from gravity to evolution -- will be disproven tomorrow can't be excluded.  That's what gives science its credibility.

The fact that lots of things can't be excluded, however, should not be used to cast doubt on the most likely theories based on the preponderance of the evidence. 



Did all Republicans blow off their science classes? (Kindler - 6/6/2007 7:12:59 PM)
I wonder why Thompson didn't mention Venus, where the temperature is over 860 degrees thanks to runaway climate change in an atmosphere composed of over 96% carbon dioxide.

Perhaps Venus was once inhabited by a race that allowed themselves to be taken over by corrupt, scientifically-ignorant leaders who would rather take bribes from industry than care for their own people's lives.



Is there a real answer anyway (J.Scott - 6/6/2007 11:04:51 PM)
Lets be honest for a second. There is no definitive answer, anymore than theres one to prove or disprove BIG BANG Theorist/creationism/evolution. So why don't we all just agree that as human beings we have to make changes REGARDLESS of the validity of the science. Are we saying that the only reason we should modify our consumption behavior is because well there are these global climate study. You think the dead fish in the Shenandoah give a hoot about the debate!! They know its MAN thats destroying their environment; business, developers, chemical companies..Why can't we all simply agree that whatever the science to date we have to make the changes or at the very least deliver mother earth to our grandkids without a fever or a cold. We spend millions to employ people to study these things the seem so obvious...what a waste of taxpayer dollars and private endowments...none of us can discount the notion that if remain on the same track of industrialization we will not be turning over a better earth to the geration being born in 2030...face that and committ to conservation and understanding consumption behaviors. These guys are so concerned with causes that the "cause" is more important than the impacts or results. You do not need to buy into this whole global warming information/misinformation game...simply take it up yourself to do your part and vote for people who will hold business accountable for theirs in terms of the environment and if you can't do that...shame on you.


Thompson and Watergate . . . (JPTERP - 6/7/2007 1:52:20 AM)
From Michael Drosnin's "Citizen Hughes" a biography of Howard Hughes:

The suppressed Senate Watergate Committee staff report on the Hughes connection to Watergate was obtained from one of the staff investigators who wrote it.  The chief minority counsel, Fred Thompson, apparently first proposed deleting it from the committee's final report, and Senator Ervin quickly agreed.  One of the senators said in a background interview that none of his colleagues, Republican or Democrat, wanted it published.  "Too many guilty bystanders would have been hurt," he remarked, "and after two years of Watergate I don't think anyone was ready to accept such a small price tag."

So there's our boy Fred protecting his Washington cronies then, and now 33 years later, here's the same old Fred lobbying on behalf of a convicted felony whining about this "miscarriage of justice".  Thompson is the very definition of political Washington.  Standards and the rule of law only apply to ordinary folks, not to those entrusted with an oath to uphold the Constitution, and to preserve the rights of a free and just society.  The man is thoroughly compromised.



No more than the Clintons (J.Scott - 6/7/2007 12:13:52 PM)
Thompson in all fairness is no more compromised in his position as you refer than that of Hillary Clinton in her defense of Bill Clinton who knowly lied in his case before the grand jury and to the American people through his denial of relations and Hillary knew he was doing it at the time...if your going to draw the line in the sand make sure we use the same sand......move on...is any of that going to solve whats before our nation today


Atrocious (TheGreenMiles - 6/7/2007 9:05:41 PM)
So you're blaming the wife for her husband's cheating?  J. Scott, you should be ashamed of yourself.


read again... (J.Scott - 6/8/2007 1:49:42 PM)
I am not "blaming" Hillary Clinton for any of her husbands actions in any way my dear fiend...I am saying her actions were to her ( "her") participation and facilitation for that matter regarding the covering up of the real truth...knowingly do so. That goes simply to character and if she "compromised" the truth for political gain than shame on her...I think some of the new books will spell out ...as for all the republican jargin thrown about the comment...supported the Clintons thany you very much...you see things arn't always Blue and Red in all this....Democrats can call inappropriate in its own camp and that was my point....be fair to Thompson on this...he is standing by no different than when Hillary and others stood by their guy when everyone knew they were wrong and in the wrong....let not bring up the travel offcie either b/c that would address the who personal/public jardon about which is more or less true....i love how we condemn the red staters and then turn around and act just like them....Kerry got it right we "are" acting like Republicans too much.


Smoke and mirrors (Kindler - 6/7/2007 11:14:20 PM)
It's typical Republican nonsense to say that the whereabouts of the president's penis are more important than whether climate change disrupts the entire Earth and its inhabitants.


Civil trial versus criminal. (JPTERP - 6/7/2007 11:14:43 PM)
There is a difference. 

Unlike the Libby case, the Clinton issue didn't involve a violation a criminal statute.  We will probably never resolve the issue of 50 USC 426 governing the outing of a CIA agent, because Libby's perjury makes it impossible to establish the question of intent.  Contrary to noise from some Libby defenders Plame's status is not a matter of debate--both the current CIA Chief, and Plame herself have stated under oath that she was covert.  If this issue was in dispute then the FBI never would have referred this matter to Justice for the appointment of a special prosecutor in late 2003. 

Thompson also has a little problem having involvement going back to 1974--as well as the very bizarre defense of Libby's perjury more recently.  Thompson may play a patriot on TV, but in terms of his actual record of service, it is anything but distinguished.



thanks for clearing that up (J.Scott - 6/8/2007 1:57:39 PM)
I want to thank you clearing that up, I will be sure to remind myself and teach my children that its "not" criminal to lie to a grand jury of your peers in a court or criminal investigation. Thanks. Let me say this when you throw around remarks like "anyhting but distinguished" it has a way of coming back...again other than Sen. Biden I fail to see a record of distinction from any of our folks on the big stage right now. I fail to see anything from the rest of the field that you could defend in our camp as "distinguished"...but I guess us moderates in the party still do not get it.


Distinctions matter (JPTERP - 6/10/2007 10:55:58 PM)
in thinking and the law. 

I would agree with you that lying is lying, but I also recognize degrees of offense. 

For starters Fred Thompson is not Scooter Libby's spouse--that's one problem with your analogy; and there is also a difference between lying about a criminal matter involving the outing of a CIA agent, and lying about a civil matter involving sex. 

As far as "distinguished" goes, I believe a resume DOES matter.  Past performance can give some sense about what future performance will look like.  This most recent president is a fine example of what I'm talking about--his record in business and as a governor has played out consistently with his performance as president.  I don't think anyone should be surprised by how things have turned out.

I give high marks for non-political public service (work in the military, civil service, the peace corp).  I give marks for persons who have pulled themselves up by the bootstraps, and who have made their own way.  And I also tend to think that elected office at the federal level is overrated. 

I think Biden has a first-rate background on matters of foreign policy.  However, I do not see how Senate experience necessarily equals executive experience--so there is a question about how well he will be able to manage a massive bureaucracy. 

In terms resumes it's hard to argue with Bill Richardson.  He is not an exceptional debater, but he has had some success working in the federal bureaucracy, and as a governor.  I think he would be a very good chief executive.

I think Hilary Clinton is highly capable and a type A personality, but she also has some questions in terms of her management experience.  She has seen the operation of the White House first hand, but she did not have a direct hand in the management large departments during her husband's tenure--so there's no track record to go on (aside from the her health care committee--which is not a plus in her favor). 

Obama has a record of educational achievement, and good political leadership at the local level, he also brings a perspective and experiential background that many candidates do not have.  Like Biden he lacks executive experience, so it's an open question whether he will be successful managing people in a large organization.  However, I think he also has the potential to be a capable chief executive.

As far as Thompson goes, he's done well for himself as a special interest lobbyist.  I don't have a problem with lobbyists for large corporate interests per se, I just don't think they have any place running for political office.  Thompson is also a fine actor who plays tough hard-nosed roles well.  That just tells me that he's successful at projecting a tough hard-nosed attitude, not that he is a tough hard-nosed guy.  Aside from that, I wouldn't be comfortable with this guy in one of the most demanding jobs in the world.  The fact that he's in bed with the Bush NeoConservative Iraq War team on this Libby matter, should be cause for concern for ordinary voters as well.  If you're a fan of Bolton, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, et al--here's your man.  In fact, he was not only a member of Libby's PR team, but was one of the managers up until two days before the announcement of his exploratory committee.  I don't see how any self-professed moderate could embrace a man who is in bed with NeoConservatives.