Right Wingers Turn Their Fury on Bush

By: Lowell
Published On: 5/19/2007 7:27:20 PM

Looks like the right wing is none too happy with President Bush's immigration compromise.  Check out some of these comments on Free Republic, one of the leading places on the internet(s) for conservatives to hang out and...well, rant and rave, pretty much (that is, after all, what these people like to do).

*"I'm startin' to get on board with the impeachment folks. Treason is the reason."

*"I've lost what little respect I had for Bush. He has betrayed all of us. I am through defending him. I'll be glad to see him leave office."

*"I can't wait until the next "Presidential approval rating" poll comes out. He has knifed the last remaining core of his supporters in the back. He will get numbers that make Carter and Nixon look stellar (at their nadir) in comparision."

*"Is it possible for Bush's approval rating to go to zero?/ He certainly has a shot at it if he signs this crap into law !!"

It goes on and on like this, and remember - these are Republicans!  Well, at least now they can understand how the rest of us have felt about Dubya the past few years.  Worst. President. Ever.


Comments



How low can he go? (Greg - 5/19/2007 8:53:03 PM)
His approval rating is going to head even lower than 28% now that he's offended the "keep America white" faction in the Republican base...

Nixon was at 24% the week before he left office -- Bush may actually go lower than that eventually... but I still doubt he's going to be impeached.



Bush and Cheney richly deserve (Lowell - 5/19/2007 8:56:48 PM)
to be impeached, but they won't be.  The reality is that we don't have enough time, the Democrats barely control Congress (if they really do at all in the Senate), and it just ain't gonna happen.  Too bad.


It's absolutely crazy. (JPTERP - 5/20/2007 4:27:04 AM)
These are the same people--approximately 4 to 6% of Americans who were STILL on the Bush bandwagon until the immigration compromise broke into the news cycle.  That's part of the story here.

What's doubly crazy here is that this bill could potentially add a trillion or so dollars to U.S. coffers.  e.g. $5,000 for citizenship for roughly 10,000,000 million plus back taxes.  Plus you are legitimizing the labor force that is supplementing programs like social security? 

And this is in the face of the fact that illegal immigration has had positive benefits for the overall economy.  The people who have depressed wages tend to be minorities who are high school drop-outs.  Low skilled labor isn't competing with high school and college grads for work.

As far as those manufacturing jobs go: Look to China and the trade deals that have been cut over the past decade.  That's the real challenge.

Instead people want to throw away $1 trillion into border security measures which damage economic growth and under cut goodwill in the growing central and south American economies? 

Oh that's right 4 to 6% of these people also voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004 and the rubber stamps in 2000, 2002, and 2004 who burned through $5 trillion, and who have likely dumped another $3 to $4 trillion on future generations in out year expenses (not even talking about Medicare and Social Security behemouths on the horizon).  We're not exactly talking about Wizards of finance, or sound policy here.  These are the same people who cheered Mitt Romney on when he talked about DOUBLING the size of Gitmo.  How dumb can some people be?



I wouldn't be so dismissive of the low-wage (Catzmaw - 5/20/2007 11:55:07 AM)
people and the effects of illegal immigration on the wages of the poorest and least educated among us.  The availability of cheap, illegal labor has made it impossible for our homegrown poor folks to compete, and has kept them from earning anything like a living wage.  Look at depressed areas like Southern Maryland, where huge numbers of immigrants are used to process chickens.  Look at the janitorial services companies.  Back in the early 80s janitors in California earned an average of $10 per hour.  Now they make minimum wage or slightly higher.  When I was growing up virtually everyone on a janitorial crew was an American; heck, my brother was a janitor for two years (the only white guy, but it was work).  Nowadays try finding a janitorial crew where anyone even speaks English.  Sure, they're hard workers and nice people, but no one is hiring poor Americans for those positions any more.  I've had more than one business owner tell me that he WON'T hire an American.  Americans make more demands, expect higher wages, file workers compensation claims, and want limited hours.  One African American landscape business owner who had himself come up from poverty told me that he never, ever hired anyone but Hispanic laborers, not only because they were reliable, but because they were cheap.  He told me flatly that he wouldn't consider hiring an African American. 

As for competition with high school and college grads, I think relawson has posted numerous thought-provoking diaries outlining the harm H-1B visas are doing to just those people.  And it's not just the visas.  It's the fact that in areas with a huge immigrant population local governments and businesses are seeking out those who can communicate with that population.  This means that Americans who are not bilingual are being squeezed out in favor of immigrants who are.  And I think that not enough attention is paid to the hiring practices of the many small immigrant-run businesses in such areas.  Hang out at the 7-11 some day and watch the vanloads of drywall installers, construction workers, electricians helpers, and laborers come in for coffee.  Do you see any Americans on those crews?  No, because immigrant business owners and supervisors and foremen almost always hire only from among their own.  They don't look outside their community for local yokels to round out their workforce, and even if they were inclined to do so there would be a problem because the local guy can't speak the same language as the rest of the workers. 

As for the monetary contributions called for under the plan,  I would agree that it's a good thing, along with the fact that legalization of the presence of a lot of the people already here would probably substantially reduce the incidence of stolen identity, but there are other factors weighing against the good.  There is, for example, no requirement that the newly legalized carry health insurance.  They tend to work at the lower end of the wage scale, meaning that they don't get insurance, and when they or the family members they've brought over here get hurt they incur huge hospital medical bills which are never paid.  And I've been working in the legal system too long to think that every immigrant kid is a nose-to-the-grindstone workaholic.  There is an enormous and unacknowledged disruption to the lives of the children of these low income immigrant workers.  They usually have been left behind for a few years while mom or dad get established, then they are brought in and placed in our school systems.  Meanwhile, mom and/or dad are working constantly - sometimes 12 or 16 hours a day.  A lot of times mom and dad have split up.  The kids are disconnected from their parents, who expect their newly arrived children to accept their parental authority, and there is a lot of friction in such families.  Moreover, they tend to take their daughters out of school so they can care for younger siblings.  There are many social problems as a result of this, and those social issues end up placing a huge strain on local social services.  These are just some of the things which need to be considered before we start inviting everyone to stay.  We already had an amnesty years ago, and it did nothing to stop the tide of illegals.  Not sure how this bill will be any different.



Lowell's right.... (bladerunner - 5/20/2007 11:31:40 AM)
Bush won't be impeached. Bush is in a process of stalling to get out of the presidency. Just like he's stalling with his Iraq war and his desire to pass it on to the next president so he can try to rewrite history and say that he didn't lose it. That's what the GOP are going to try to do,just like they did with Reagan--rewrite history. Bush, king of denial will say we were doing okay when I left, it's not my fault.....middle finger to you too Bush.