Bush Prepares to De-Fund Troops

By: Josh
Published On: 3/29/2007 1:47:56 PM

Both the House and Senate have passed bills which fully fund George Bush's War in Iraq.  George Bush has vowed to veto those bills.

The president wants to have his endless war without restriction or accountability, and the Congress has said "enough is enough".  When President Bush defunds his own War, he will have only himself to blame.  This is his temper tantrum, and Americans are no longer willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

In Washington as in Richmond, Democrats deliver and Republicans grandstand.

"We're a long way from that,'' House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) said today. "Early last week, I was told we weren't going to pass the bill in the House, and when we passed it I was told the Senate wasn't going to pass it, and here we are.. On this very important matter, I would extend a hand of friendship to the president: 'Calm down with the threats?There is a new Congress in town.'

Why won't George Bush fund his own War?
Note:  The Hegel-Webb Amendment is a powerful vehicle to support troop readiness.  With Bush it's all about politics and saving his own skin.  With real leaders, it's all about fulfilling your responsibilities, including those to the nation and our troops.

Reid Supports Hagel-Webb Amendment

  WASHINGTON, March 28 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Senate Majority Leader
Harry Reid today made the following remarks supporting the Hagel-Webb
Amendment to improve troop readiness and America's ability to respond to
threats around the world.
  Mr. President, I am very pleased to join as a co-sponsor of this
important amendment, and I applaud Senators Hagel and Webb for returning
the focus of the Senate to the issue of our troops and their readiness.
  There is a lot of talk around here about "supporting the troops," but
too often, we don't take the kind of action that can achieve that goal.
Yesterday, when the Senate voted to maintain the language on changing
course in Iraq - that was a good day for our country and for our troops,
who may finally get the new policy they deserve.
  With yesterday's vote, the Senate finally acknowledged reality in Iraq.
The President's policy is not working. It is time to change course.
  This bipartisan position was backed up in the papers today. USA Today
and the Associated Press have an article detailing how the surge is not
working. Baghdad may be quieter, but according to the news outlets,
insurgents have taken their attacks elsewhere.
  Nationwide, the number of deaths from car bombs has decreased slightly
since the Baghdad security operation began, according to a tally by the AP.
However, the death toll from car bombs has more than doubled in areas
outside the capital, compared to the previous six-week period.
  Violence has not stopped in Iraq.
  Earlier today, Shiite militants, including reportedly local police,
went on a violent, vengeful rampage. When it ended, nearly two hours later,
as many as 60 Sunnis were reported killed. The victims were men between the
ages of 15 and 60, killed with a shot to the back of the head.
  Mr. President, these reports fly in the face of what we heard in the
Senate yesterday, and what we constantly hear from President Bush.
  The idea that the surge is working, or that it needs more time, is a
fantasy. What we see today in Iraq - months into the surge - is more of the
same ... the same violence ... the same chaos ... the same loss of life we
have seen over the last four years.
  After more than four years of war ... over 3,200 of our brave men and
women killed ... and over $400 billion spent ... it is long past time to
change course in Iraq.
  If, yesterday, the Senate acknowledged the reality of the Iraq war,
today we must acknowledge the reality of what the Iraq war is doing to our
military and their ability to defend this nation.
  We have no better advocates to learn from than Chuck Hagel and Jim
Webb. The authors of this amendment have authority on this subject based on
their experience in battle.
  These two men are authorities on war and the military. All of us would
be wise to heed their counsel.
  Mr. President, Chuck Hagel and Jim Webb are heroes.
  This morning, I got up early and went to Walter Reed. I met there a new
generation of heroes, men and women who were injured and serving in Iraq
and Afghanistan. I was accompanied by my friend, the distinguished senator
from Washington, Senator Murray.
  To say, Mr. President, that I left Walter Reed depressed is an
understatement. We've all heard the stories about Walter Reed. I have two
observations from my visit. I've been there on other occasions and I had
two observations from my visit today. First, private contracting is
destroying the ability of the military to care for our troops. Go to Walter
Reed. Listen to the parents. Listen to the people that are hurt.
  I was walking into Walter Reed and I introduced myself to a man in
civilian clothes and he told me who he was. He is a college graduate. I
said, "What do you do?" He said, "I am an industrial hygienist. I am one of
the guys that go around trying to make sure that places are sanitary and
safe." I said, "How are you doing?" He said, "Terrible." He said because of
contracting out, "we went from 15 industrial hygienists at Walter Reed to
5, so contracting is hurting our ability to care for our troops."
  My second observation - our ability to care for our troops. A soldier
said it best. He was sitting there, his leg cut off at mid thigh. He said
"everyone thinks that this is my problem." He said, "That's not my problem.
It's this leg." And he had a leg that was terribly mutilated - calf blown
off, dropped foot, scars all up and down. He said, "I'm really fortunate
because I'm alive. We amputees are treated pretty well. It's the people
with the injuries you can't see that are having a difficult time. That's
the way it is."
  One young man from Cincinnati, Ohio, just turned 20 years old. A big
man. He said, "I only got shot once." He had a protective vest and was shot
in the stomach and it did not hurt too badly. He said, "I survived multiple
explosive devices. My friend was vaporized sitting right next to me." He is
now, Mr. President, in big trouble emotionally and mentally. He has a lot
of problems. He said, "I have nightmares. I sweat, I become violent. I
can't remember anything. I don't know what I'm going to do." He was one of
number that we visited there, Mr. President.
  Mr. President, Walter Reed is metaphor for what's happening to our
military as a whole. It is stretched too thin.
  We do not have a single army unit that's not deployed already. It would
take $40 billion to bring the guard alone to what it was before the war.
The dual wars have badly strained our military and reduced our military
readiness to levels not seen for a long, long time. Not a single unit,
non-deployed army unit, I repeat, is combat ready. Multiple and extended
deployments have reduced readiness, damaged recruiting, retention, and
morale. Units have been sent into battle without proper training and
equipment, in my opinion.
  That is not supporting the troops. That is breaking the force. We have
to do better.
  This is not just my opinion. It is the opinion of current and former
senior army officers.
  "The active Army is about broken."
  -- Colin Powell, Former Secretary of State and Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff [CBS' "Face the Nation," December 17, 2006]
  "We can't sustain the [National Guard and Reserves] on the course we're
on."
  -- Arnold L. Punaro, Chairman of the Commission on the National Guard
and Reserves [March 2, 2007]
  "To meet combatant commanders' immediate wartime needs, we pooled
equipment from across the force to equip soldiers deploying in harm's way .
. . This practice, which we are continuing today, increases risk for our
next- to-deploy units and limits our ability to respond to emerging
strategic contingencies."
  -- General Peter Schoomaker, Chief of Staff of the United States Army
[January 23, 2007]
  I spoke yesterday of a man in my security detail on his way to Iraq for
the THIRD time. Sadly, his story is the norm, not the exception. Of the
Army's combat brigades, all but the one permanently based in South Korea
have been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. Of those brigades:
  - 12 have been deployed  once
  - 20 have been deployed  twice
  - 9  have been deployed three  times
  - 2  have been deployed four  times
  Today, we have soldiers serving in Iraq who have been fighting in
battle for over a year. We have other soldiers -- who are on their way to
Iraq- - after having been home with their families for less than 12 months.
  That is not supporting the troops. That is breaking the force.
  Our men and women cannot and should not continue to bear the burden of
this mismanaged war.
  We have to do better. That's why the Hagel-Webb Amendment is so
important.
  This amendment will ensure our troops have the equipment they need
before they go into battle. It explicitly states that troops must have the
training and equipment they need - or they cannot be sent overseas.
  This amendment will also enhance the quality of life for troops and
their families, and as a result, improve recruiting and retention. It says
that after our brave men and women serve 365 days in Iraq, they are
entitled to a significant period of rest back home before they can be
redeployed.
  In short, the Hagel-Webb Amendment will improve readiness and our
ability to respond to other threats and project power around the world
  Mr. President, we live in a dangerous world. We face many threats. From
destroying Al Qaeda to deterring Iran and North Korea from gaining nuclear
weapons, there are critical challenges around the world America must
confront. Unfortunately, we have a military stretched too thin to meet
these challenges, because this administration has stretched it to the
breaking point in Iraq.
  After years of overuse and neglect, we must reinvest in the military.
With the Hagel-Webb Amendment, we make a down payment on rebuilding our
fighting force and keeping our families safe.
  I appreciate these two combat veterans, these two unique and good
United States senators leading us down this road that we must be led.
  Contact: Jim Manley / Rodell Mollineau, 202-224-2939


Comments



Why won't George Bush fund his own War? (Susan P. - 3/29/2007 1:53:59 PM)
Clearly, he does not support the troops.  He must be with the terrorists.  Will we have to fight them over here because he won't fight them over there?


Don't forget, he "hates America" and "hates our freedoms" too. (Catzmaw - 3/29/2007 2:19:09 PM)


Bush and the Republicans have already (Lowell - 3/29/2007 1:55:03 PM)
destroyed our great military.  Now, they're going to abandon the troops fighting in Iraq.  Why is this not surprising?


Sorry, I respectfully disagree... (Detcord - 3/29/2007 3:21:30 PM)
...and even though I think he's an inarticulate buffoon and a weak Commander-In-Chief, I do not believe he has "destroyed" our military and i don't know where that garbage is coming from.  I spend every day around these great guys and gals in our Armed Forces and they're still the absolute best on the planet and I could be prouder of them. 


OK, you asked. (Lowell - 3/29/2007 3:25:09 PM)
Let's start with Chuck Hagel:

"The American force structure is broken," Hagel says. "Everything's breaking down. We're chewing up our people."


How about (Lowell - 3/29/2007 3:26:27 PM)
Colin Powell?

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said the U.S. Army is ``about broken'' from the Iraq conflict and cast doubt on whether the military could or should boost the number of troops in the country.

``There really are no additional troops'' to send, Powell said on CBS's ``Face the Nation'' program. ``The current active Army is not large enough and the Marine Corps is not large enough for the kinds of missions they are being asked to perform.''

Powell, 69, who was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Gulf War and the nation's chief foreign policy official during President George W. Bush's first term, said the war has made the U.S. ``a little less safe'' because it has limited the military's ability to respond to another crisis.



How about Army Reserve chief (Lowell - 3/29/2007 3:28:13 PM)
Lt. Gen. James Helmly:

The Pentagon's reliance on volunteers from the Army Reserve for duty in Iraq and Afghanistan risks creating a "broken force," the reserve force's commander warned his superiors in a December memo, and he urged a wider call-up of reservists to active duty.

In his memo, Lt. Gen. James Helmly stated that the Army Reserve is no longer able to meet its commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan, nor can it "reset and regenerate" units for future missions.



Or how about (Lowell - 3/29/2007 3:30:16 PM)
"senior U.S. military and government officials", who say:

Four years after the invasion of Iraq, the high and growing demand for U.S. troops there and in Afghanistan has left ground forces in the United States short of the training, personnel and equipment that would be vital to fight a major ground conflict elsewhere, senior U.S. military and government officials acknowledge.

More troubling, the officials say, is that it will take years for the Army and Marine Corps to recover from what some officials privately have called a "death spiral," in which the ever more rapid pace of war-zone rotations has consumed 40 percent of their total gear, wearied troops and left no time to train to fight anything other than the insurgencies now at hand.



Army Vice Chief of Staff (Lowell - 3/29/2007 3:32:03 PM)
Gen. Richard A. Cody:

...described as "stark" the level of readiness of Army units in the United States, which would be called on if another war breaks out. "The readiness continues to decline of our next-to-deploy forces," Cody told the House Armed Services Committee's readiness panel last week. "And those forces, by the way, are . . . also your strategic reserve."

Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:

was asked last month by a House panel whether he was comfortable with the preparedness of Army units in the United States. He stated simply: "No . . . I am not comfortable."

"You take a lap around the globe -- you could start any place: Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Venezuela, Colombia, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, North Korea, back around to Pakistan, and I probably missed a few. There's no dearth of challenges out there for our armed forces," Pace warned in his testimony. He said the nation faces increased risk because of shortfalls in troops, equipment and training.

In earlier House testimony, Pace said the military, using the Navy, Air Force and reserves, could handle one of three major contingencies, involving North Korea or -- although he did not name them -- Iran or China. But, he said, "It will not be as precise as we would like, nor will it be on the timelines that we would prefer, because we would then, while engaged in one fight, have to reallocate resources and remobilize the Guard and reserves."



And this is why I'd like to see the draft come back... (Detcord - 3/29/2007 4:15:29 PM)
...so that statements like these are understood and properly interpreted instead of sensationalized through a political spectrum.  For those of you with no military background, let me surprise you by agreeing with everything posted above. But please consider:

1. Our military end strength was gutted.  I don't know about the total DOD numbers but they're similar to the Air Force numbers I do know.  The Air Force was reduced from 535,000 people in 1990 to only 355,000 in 2000.  You can't cut a workforce by 37%, pile on more responsibilities and not expect something to start squeaking.

2. The Chicken Little crowd should be reminded that we have only 6% of our military in Iraq -- that's 125,000 of over 2.2 million active and guard/reserve members.  Even fewer in Afghanistan where NATO has picked up some slack. 

3. Hagel is right.  Force structure (vehicles & equipment) is broken and breaking down.  Almost all of that has to do with the enviroment they're operating in.  Ground vehicles in particular (HuMVEEs, personnel carriers, etc) are being eaten up in a desert environment and maintenance is a real chore.  Electronic equipment is also being replaced at a high rate.  We had exactly the same problem for similar reasons in South East Asia -- nothing new here and the kids keeping these things operational are great.

3. Powell is also right.  Because of the drastic cuts in end strength and no reduction in missions or responsibilities, the Army and Marine Corps are in a tight training-deployment rotation.  That's why more are being added this year.  he's also right about the missions - we're a fighting force and were never designed for the peacemaking and peacekeeping missions that run ancillairy to the training mission.  Once the gutless cowards at the UN left who should have been doing that, we had no choice but to take that on to keep the training mission stable.

4. The "source" is right about the "death spiral" too because equipment is wearing out faster than it's being replaced.  Additional people for the Army and Marines will mitigate those issues somewhat.  Yes, they're training for insurgencies...so what?  Any idiot who understands the new world of asymetric warfare knows that's what we'll be facing for the next twenty years or more so why is that a bad thing?

4. General Pace is also right for all the reasons above. The military was whacked almost to impotency to claim a "peace dividend" during 1990-2000 and now we're paying for it.  We used to be manned at a one and half war level.  Pace has done a great job of getting Congress to understand this and now they need to put more money where their mouth is--quit bitching about shortages and FIX them!

Every time anyone from Congress goes to Iraq they see the finest military force on the planet doing a great job under some tough conditions.  They're volunteers, re-enlisting at record rates, and the guys I work with look forward to returning.  Most have made some good friends among the Iraqis getting to know them and their families.  Sure it's tough on them and their families but it's what they do and they're proud of it.  So am I. 

 



Why is it "sensationalized" (Lowell - 3/29/2007 4:22:00 PM)
to place the blame squarely where it belongs, on the Bush Administration?  The military was in GREAT shape under Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, and Bill Clinton.  That's two Republicans and one Democrat, by the way...


I don't do "blame"... (Detcord - 3/29/2007 4:35:34 PM)
...leave that to frothing-at-the-mouth types suffering from BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome).  As a middle of road type moderate, I simply provided a more level-headed objective view of the same quotes that puts over thirty years of military expereince behind what I'm saying.  You're free to dismiss everything I'm saying and I really don't care.  But the subject was (essentially) not enough troops and i simply pointed out that we did it to ourselves with the massive reductions in our military personnel from 1990-2000.  If you want to "blame" someone or something, there's your proximate cause.  I understand the purpose of this site but it's a real disservice to all to let some of this myth and hype go without a response.  Silly me for trying to help....


So, anyone who points the finger at Bush (Lowell - 3/29/2007 4:42:36 PM)
for his massive screwups the past six years is "deranged," "frothing at the mouth," etc?  Well, that's a great way to start a dialogue, especially when so many leading Republicans themselves admit privately that Bush has been a disaster. What are you, the last pro-Bush holdout?


Just because... (Detcord - 3/29/2007 4:53:54 PM)
...I don't populate my posts with anti-Bush vitriol and invectives, don't confuse me with being "pro-Bush."  I've already said I think he's an inarticulate buffoon and a weak Commader-In-Chief but beyond that I stop.  Some people feel like they have to go off the deep end to feel at home here rather than work their way through issues and discussions with some civility.  That's fine and I understand it.  I'm just not like that...sorry. 


I also support mandatory national service (Lowell - 3/29/2007 4:26:53 PM)
for a variety of reasons, including national cohesion at a time of war.  Of course, the vast majority of the "draftees" wouldn't go into the military, because the armed services simply don't need that # of people anymore.  Instead, the vast majority would do civilian conservation tasks, tutor children, help out at old-age homes, provide "homeland security," etc., etc.  Make it so that nobody - NOBODY - can buy their way out of it.  No exemption for being in college, but after you're out, you should be covered under Jim Webb's modern day GI Bill.  Sounds good to me...how about you?


We're on the same page... (Detcord - 3/29/2007 4:43:21 PM)
...but I'd definitely make at least 20% of every year's military enlistees conscripted.  I've always like programs like the CCC and others but I think we're so burdened with lawyers these days we could never afford it.  I'd like to see all student loans for doctors and lawyers tied to mandatory public service in rural or inner city duties as a condition for receipt as well. 

Actually, the armed services could always use more people.  Look into how many contractors the military now uses (I know because I am one) instead of military or civil service employees.  They gutted themselves and don't have enough people to do simple stuff anymore so they get beltway bandits to fill the void at billions of dollars a year.  This trend began in 1992-93 when Congress demanded more "efficiencies" from the military.  Go figure...



Ridiculous ... (Catzmaw - 3/29/2007 6:36:20 PM)
Here's a silly statement:

I'd like to see all student loans for doctors and lawyers tied to mandatory public service in rural or inner city duties as a condition for receipt as well.

If they're LOANS then you have to pay them back.  And I had to work my ass off at two jobs while in law school because the student loans didn't cover all my tuition and books.  If I had been offered grants in exchange for working in a rural community (because we all know there's SUCH a shortage of lawyers out there) as a public interest lawyer of some sort with a guaranteed income however miniscule - such as in legal services - I would have jumped on it.  But then, who's going to compensate all those newbie lawyers working in distant Appalachia?  The vast majority of lawyers (over 68%) are self-employed.  You have to scramble for business and there's nothing to stop people from discharging your well-earned fees in bankruptcy (I got screwed over for over $16,000 once by a client who made far more money than me.  Almost went bankrupt myself).  Come to think of it, she was a Capitol Hill cop ... ha, ha!

Anyway, bad idea for lawyers. 



Not so ridiculous... (Detcord - 3/29/2007 7:22:48 PM)
...when you highlight the main incentive.  I think those loans could/should be waived for public service.  We were discussing innovative ways to get more people into public service (although the focus was initially the military) and I'd like to see a program started to do just that.


I'll go with a draft (Nick Stump - 3/29/2007 6:39:32 PM)
Our military would be better for it.  We've always had a tradition of citizen soldiers and though people like to rag on those of draftees who served in Vietnam, I've always thought we had a great military, just lousy leadership.  Plus time spent in service would invest people with a real sense of what it means to be a citizen. 

Then, of course there's the obvious.  In a draft with no exemptions, everyone would get to share the load, which now is distributed more heavily with rural Americans, many who are there for the tuition money and because jobs in rural America are drying up as family farms, mining and timber work disappears. 

There's a lot to be said about a draft and I'd support one.



I can understand the attraction (Catzmaw - 3/29/2007 8:14:59 PM)
but it would have to be something like the French system, with numerous options for how, when, and where the service would be performed.  I know it's also attractive to talk about making NO exceptions, but this is unrealistic.  Some young people are supporting whole families and some people have medical, mental health, or cultural/religious obstacles.  What do you do about the chronic drug abusers, HIV sufferers, alcoholics, and people with severe personality disorders?  Do you force the Amish and the Mennonites and other culturally isolated religious groups to do service?  What about women with babies and small children?  Do you send them away and put their children in someone else's care until they do two years for someone else?  Tough issues.


The failing isn't with the soldiers (Josh - 3/29/2007 3:45:46 PM)
It's with the (lack of) top-level leadership.

The military should exist and be managed in order to enable every soldier to fulfill their honorable mission in the service of the great American cause worldwide.  Unfortuantely, the greed, corruption and idiocy of the failed Bush administration has robbed the services of their rightful ability to make the world a better place through their service.  The failing is with the leadership, the dedication of the troops has only gotten stronger.



Obviously the failure's not with the soldiers. (Lowell - 3/29/2007 3:59:12 PM)
I have never heard one person say that it was.  The failure is with the Bush Administration, period end.


Started way before that... (Detcord - 3/29/2007 4:25:25 PM)
...see above.  Check out the military end-strength figures from 1990 to 2000.  Active duty military manpower was castrated from 2.1 million to 1.4 million (32% cut!) to claim a so-called "peace dividend" and now we're paying for it. 


Well, the Cold War DID come to an end! (Lowell - 3/29/2007 4:27:43 PM)
You're saying we shouldn't have reduced the number of troops after Commnunism collapsed?


UH, no.... (Detcord - 3/29/2007 4:48:57 PM)
...what I said was that the "peace dividend" was the reason for the reduction.  Obviously there were a variety of options available for reducing forces deployed and the strategic forces to a lower level.  But the cuts taken from 1990-2000 were done with a meat axe instead of a scalpel and without any consideration for the future of what we'd be facing.  There's tons of literature on this from the late 1990's at the various military colleges and think tanks...i.e., the guys on the inside saw this coming. 


A good part of the enthusiasm (Catzmaw - 3/29/2007 6:44:56 PM)
for these types of personnel cuts can be laid at the feet of such as Donald Rumsfeld and his ilk, who believed that all we had to do to maintain peace in the world was to build bigger and more expensive toys.


Don't let Rummie-Rage get in the way of facts... (Detcord - 3/29/2007 7:13:58 PM)
...since the majority of troop cuts happened while Les Aspin, William Perry, and Bill Cohen were SECDEF's from 1990-2000 (are they considered his "ilk"?  Just wondering...)  The three of them gutted 695,000 troops from the active duty roles (2.1M to 1.4M) and reduced procurement funding (for those "toys") from $79B a year to $55B a year which has contributed to the equipment shortages we have today given the length of time it takes for major acquisitions.  I'm no Rummie fan either but troop strength has stayed relatively flat under his watch at about 1.4 million active duty.  He's also restored procurement funding to between $60-$80B a year to keep the equipment line current and high tech replenishing some of the older stuff.  All of this is publicly available at the link below.

DOD Manpower levels at Table 7-5: http://www.dod.mil/c...



Anybody know ... (Ron1 - 3/29/2007 1:58:18 PM)
If Webb's Iran amendment, and the Hagel-Webb joint amendment limiting deployment lengths and mandating rest and training before redeployment, passed? senate.gov only shows votes through yesterday, and nothing at Thomas either.

I find it amazing that our Congress can't update the votes realtime so we, the People, can figure out what's going on.



A Horrible 48 Hours in Iraq: more than 300 dead (PM - 3/29/2007 4:16:29 PM)
More than 100 Iraqis died in bomb attacks on Thursday, including 60 slaughtered in a popular market in Baghdad in the deadliest violence in the city since the start of a huge US security crackdown.***

The attacks were carried out shortly after 43 Iraqis were slaughtered and more than 80 wounded in coordinated bombings hitting another market in the Shiite town of Khalis, north of Baghdad.
***
Thursday's death toll pushed to more than 300 the number of Iraqis slain in the worst 48-hour bout of violence in months, ***

And John McCain says there are safe parts of Baghdad.

The first car bomb targeted the market, the second blew up near a court house, a third at a new army base under construction and a fourth blew up in an ambulance, a security source said.

At least nine mortar attacks were also reported in residential areas while two roadside bombs exploded in a main street near the market...

  http://rawstory.com/...

See also this cite:
http://www.alertnet....

Meanwhile, the administration's mouthpieces continue their spluttering nonsense:

The United States on Thursday rejected Saudi Arabia's charge that Iraq is under an "illegitimate foreign occupation" and said U.S. troops are there at Iraq's invitation, under a U.N. mandate.

"It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq," said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino.

http://www.alertnet....

pants400



Safe place in Bagdad (Nick Stump - 3/29/2007 6:41:48 PM)
I'm assuming McCain's safe place in Bagdad is Saddam's old bunker in the green-zone.