About Those Signs

By: Eric
Published On: 11/15/2006 6:08:30 PM

For months I've been watching Democratic signs appear and disappear again quickly.  A few made a valiant stand, including one in my own yard - until it got nabbed about 10 days before the election. 

So after spending months of fighting to keep our candidate's signs in the medians it's come time to take them down.  And during a drive earlier today I found that the Hurst and Webb signs were removed in a timely manner along 123 in Vienna.  Good job folks!

I bet you'll never guess who's signs were not removed...
Yep, the medians are filled with Allen and Davis signs!

Ok, I sorta understand the Allen signs.  They lost.  I'm sure the volunteers, who never met a median they didn't overload in Allen blue, just don't have the enthusiasm they did before.  It's not a valid excuse, but I understand the foot dragging.

What's Davis' excuse?  He's still a congressman.  He spent huge sums of money to cover our district in signage.  So why is he now leaving a mess? 

My first request to the newly re-elected representative from the 11th is that he clean up after himself.  And perhaps he could do his  constituents a real favor and clean up those Allen signs as well.  Thanks in advance.


Comments



I would like to see them all gone. (thegools - 11/15/2006 6:36:54 PM)
For my part I pull down any signs that I can when I stop.  I do not just get the ones I put up, but Allen signs too...and others.


there are still (chiefsjen - 11/15/2006 8:28:51 PM)
quite a number of webb signs (some of the webb signs, and some iaff signs) as well as some judy feder signs all along ffx county parkway -- from lorton to reston.

i see them every day on the way to work, but can't stop.

there are 3 times as many allen/davis signs still left.



Unfortunately, you are going to have to call them about it. (phriendlyjaime - 11/15/2006 6:53:41 PM)
I know that this is hard to believe, but after Jim Webb won the primary on June 13, 2006, I had to remove a Kilgore sign from 1st street between Canal street and Cary street by climbing on top of my car and yanking it off the telephone pole.

Yes, I had to remove a Kilgore sign 8 months AFTER he lost.

That's their advertising year round, I suppose.



Isn't there supposed to be a fine? (Eric - 11/15/2006 7:36:06 PM)
I'm not up on the election rules, but I thought that the campaigns had a short period after the election to get their signs down or else be fined.

Anyone know?



All I know is (phriendlyjaime - 11/15/2006 7:38:58 PM)
I called the Republican headquarters building on Grace Street NUMEROUS times starting in January, and they always said they would take care of it.

Guess they were "busy."



Yes (Gordie - 11/15/2006 11:35:53 PM)
Yes there is a fine for leaving up political signs. The time period varries from 7 to 10 days after the election, depending on the local ordinance, but the state limit is 10 days. The winner of a primary can leave thier signs up till after the Genra Election. Losers are suppose to come down asap. Most polling places which are schools or fire station want them down right after the election.
  The choice of the fine can be against the candidate or the party. Some one has to file a complaint. I believe it is to the commonwealth attorney in that county. Call the SBE for details. It also is in the VA code. Fine can be up to 2 thousand dollars, but no one every gets fined.
The code of VA has most of the guide lines. The rest are in the local ordinances.


Sign fines (cycle12 - 11/16/2006 3:26:15 AM)
Political signs are protected under federal law and are not supposed to be placed in any VDOT rights of way (including median strips), and most localities have ordinances that require their removal very soon after elections.

Please check with each locality's planning and/or zoning department for political sign rules, fines, etc.

Steve



signs signs talking bout signs (pvogel - 11/15/2006 7:48:13 PM)
I just got back from the post election victory tour  down to florida

In south carolina several restaurants are giving appetizers and or  dinners for each political sign that gets brought in.

I thought it was a great idea.

Paul



They're too busy crying right now... (Kindler - 11/15/2006 7:57:27 PM)


I pull down dem signs only.... (bladerunner - 11/15/2006 8:36:36 PM)
Sorry all you good semeritans, I only pull dem signs. They're a pain in the ass to get rid of, so if Davis wants bad pub, let him have it. In West Springfield, they're starting to put up some stupid signs that read, "Cash Now" a whole row of them. As for Allen signs, I've picked up plenty of my candidates signs after many a loss. They need to get off their asses and take em down.


Recycle (libra - 11/16/2006 10:49:39 PM)
Someone had put up a sign at our HQ that she wanted signs -- or, at least, the plastic parts. She has some sort of a nursery and planned to use them for ground cover, to keep the moisture in and the weeds from sprouting. I didn't expect her to object to Allen's signs for that particular purpose so collected as many as the neighbours would let me pick off, irrespective of what they said. I think DH may be able to use the wire frames in his own garden.


Everyone should send Davis an email....... (Ambivalent Mumblings - 11/15/2006 9:08:48 PM)
...asking him to have volunteers take down the signs. After all, it could give him a platform for '08 "Tom Davis helps make the district beautiful."


Be sure to be polite (Andrea Chamblee - 11/16/2006 12:11:12 AM)
But you could ask him to use some of the money saved on those taxpayer-funded mailers to hire people to take them down. Or maybe he'll use his congressional staffers so you'll have to pay for that, too, for their salary.

Or maybe we could move those "CASH NOW" signs next to Davis signs. How appropriate!



Name recognition continues (seveneasypeaces - 11/16/2006 1:59:33 AM)
We should be careful about complaining while we still have so many signs up.  Judy Feder signs are all over Rt. 50 and environs and some are in really high places that I can't figure out how they were put there.  There are still a lot of Webb signs on FF County Parkway. This weekend I'll go see what I can do.


Just wanted to point out (pitin - 11/16/2006 2:21:57 AM)
We had our staff postmortem on Thursday (2 days after election day) where we divided up the district and went and picked up all the Andy signs we could find (we picked up a few Webb signs too).

Too bad Allen and Davis don't have the same respect for the community.



Just a reminder - pull the wire frame out too! (snolan - 11/16/2006 9:37:06 AM)
Please, please, please don't just take the cap from the sign and leave those metal wire frame in the ground or lying about.

The poor guys who come along to mow in the spring will never see the wire (it's nearly invisible after a while in weather) and then mow over it, damaging public property (the mower) and possibly causing injury if twisted pieces of metal go flying out the mower's ejection opening...

Damned scary.

I make it a point to snatch every wire frame I can find because they are no cheap (on a grassroots local race's budget) and they'll come in handy for taking back the Virginia Legislature in 2007!



Other than at polling places, (Nell - 11/16/2006 3:44:19 PM)
where the signs should come down ASAP after polls close (have the last shift of 'greeters' or your inside pollwatcher remove them and return to HQ), what the heck are campaign signs doing on public property?

Is Rockbridge County in the minority of localities in requiring campaign signs to be located on private property? There's only one day of the year when signs are tolerated on the medians and public right-of-ways, and that's Labor Day.  Even then, it's only on the roads leading to Buena Vista, because of the parade and speeches.

Between now and 2008, I'd like to see the DNC urge every federal candidate to agree to a standard wire and sign size, so we could store the frames between campaigns and just buy the tops (whether plastic or coated cardboard).  My recommendation is for the 19 3/4" frames the Webb campaign used (because we have a ton of them, and because we have a ton of the same size left over from a state delegate campaign).

Hey, we don't have to wait around for national unity. Can the DPVA put a word in with state delegate and senate candidates?  19 3/4"!  19 3/4"!  19 3/4"!

Okay, it's not much of a slogan, but if we don't get a grip on it now, Democratic activists' garages and basements will be overflowing with incompatible, useless wire frames.  The problem builds up even faster here with campaigns every year...