Tom DeLay's Concerns About Robert Gates: "consensus" & "reach out and negotiate"

By: Mitch Dworkin
Published On: 11/13/2006 2:03:20 AM

Hello Everyone:

Below is the CNN transcript of Tom DeLay giving a very arrogant interview and saying this about Robert Gates' nomination for Defense Secretary which condemns the top people who were Bush 41's senior advisors:

DELAY: "Well, I'm -- I'm kind of -- I'm worried about two things.

One, I'm worried that the president is going to run this war by consensus or committee by -- by giving the Democrats what they want. We did that in Korea, Vietnam, Central America, and -- and we ended up coming out on the short end of those wars. We cannot run a war on terror by consensus.

Secondly, Robert Gates comes from the Scowcroft-Brzezinski-James Baker ilk, in -- in that they -- they think we ought to reach out and negotiate with Iran, with -- with Syria, with terrorists. You cannot negotiate with terrorists.

And that's a -- that's a big change from Rumsfeld or where those of us that supported the president's leadership are. So, it is going to be interesting."
It is interesting to me that people of Tom DeLay's and Donald Rumsfeld's ilk are condemned by former Reagan Secretary of State Al Haig when he said this:

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CNN LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER

Aired October 22, 2006 - 11:00  ET

AL HAIG, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: "Well, first, I think that this is a conflict that's essentially political. It's not just purely military. It's political and religious and ideological. And it was driven by the so-called neocons that hijacked my party, the Republican Party, before this administration..."

I also like how Chris Matthews and Claire McCaskill talk about GOP Neocons like Tom DeLay and Donald Rumsfeld.  This short exchange exposes the arrogant and extremist Neocon philosophy very well in my opinion:

http://www.msnbc.msn...

'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for Nov. 9
Read the transcript to the Thursday show

Updated: 1:16 p.m. CT Nov 10, 2006

Guests: Jon Tester, Richard Haass, Peter King, Claire McCaskill, Kati Marton, David Yepsen, Jay Carney, Lisa Caputo

MATTHEWS:  "What do you think the neoconservatives, the people who come into the power and believe it is the job of the United States government, not to protect this country but their job, their mission, their messianic dream is to go around the world, looking for governments they do not like and trying to democratize them by force and killing and blood and treasure, go into those countries, overturn the leadership an try to turn them into us.  Do you think thatGÇÿs the kind person you want representing us to the world?

MCCASKILL:  I think that that is absolutely not what we want to be doing.  I have said many times in the campaign, you donGÇÿt build democracy at the barrel of a gun.  It has to come from the people that live in the country.  Ours is glorious democracy because it came from the people of this country.  And it has to come from internally within the nation.  We are spreading ourselves way too thin, militarily, by trying to spread democracy at the barrel of a gun and we need to change forces that relates to that kind of policy."

This is also a very interesting article to read dealing with this topic:

http://www.msnbc.msn...

Newsweek: The Prodigal Returns; Can Bush Sr. and His Team Save SonGÇÖs Presidency?

It also has to be remembered that moderate Republicans are hated and despised by Neocon Republicans.  Neocons only have scorn and contempt for moderates:

http://securingameri...

ANALYSIS: Keeping moderate Republicans at home if they won't vote for a Democrat

I really hope that Bush is sincere about listening to people and acting in a truly bipartisan manner after his much needed defeat in Election 2006 last Tuesday! 

It is absolutely ridiculous that we had to wait six very long years, that so much damage has been done, and that it had to come down to this big defeat for Bush to finally be willing to work with and listen to people who do not agree with him!

Only time will tell if Bush is truly sincere or not. 

Thank goodness that we won this election, that Bush is finally getting some much needed oversight, and that we got rid of Tom DeLay, Donald Rumsfeld, and George Allen who are three very arrogant and extreme ideologues!

This is also cross posted on Gen. Wes Clark's blog with comments:

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Mitch Dworkin

http://www.securinga... 

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Listen to Gen. Wes Clark fight for Dems on Sean Hannity's radio program: An excellent example for all of us to follow and what we all need to be doing to help fight against extreme right wing Neocon smear propaganda which will help our local candidates to win their races!

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PAULA ZAHN NOW

Rumsfeld Steps Down; Interview With Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid; Interview With Former Congressman Tom DeLay

Aired November 8, 2006 - 20:00  ET

ZAHN: And, while the exit polls point to Iraq as the big reason for the Democratic victory, former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay says, the Democrats didn't win; the Republicans lost.

And Tom DeLay now joins Lou and me.

So, why do you think that the Republicans blew it so badly last night, sir?

REP. TOM DELAY (R), FORMER HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER: Well, we didn't stand on principle. We didn't articulate what we believe in, where we wanted to take the -- the country, did not articulate the war very well, to be honest with you.

And our -- our voters, our base, stayed home. And many of them came -- that did vote voted for Democrats. We didn't appeal to the independents very well.

So, the -- the Democrats maximized their votes. If we would have maximized our votes, we would have won.

ZAHN: You keep using the collective form of "we." How much blame does the president deserve for these losses?

DELAY: Oh, I don't think the president -- no one is really to blame.

It is -- it is -- it is -- it is part of the campaign season, and what happens in campaigns. The president did what he had to do. He campaigned hard. He raised money. He -- he -- they -- the Republicans had a very good turnout mechanism. It just wasn't good enough.

DOBBS: Mr. DeLay, the idea that the Republicans did not assert their principles, I -- I have to ask you, with -- with the -- the K Street follies, the Abramoff scandal, with the -- the conduct of this war in Iraq not suiting even the president of the United States, and certainly not the American voters, as demonstrated by this poll, the war in Iraq and corruption playing central roles -- in the exit polls at least -- as to the reason for their votes, what principle could be asserted that would overcome that?

DELAY: Well, first of all, you're -- you are right about the corruption. We -- we gave the Democrats 10 seats.

There were 10 seats that had ethics problems. And that was -- that was just given to the Democrats. And that's really unfortunate. But the principles are articulating what we -- what the House did in 2005. I mean, we gave the president three tort reform bills, an energy bill. We cut real spending in discretionary spending.

We -- they reformed every entitlement program. And the House passed a very good immigration reform package. No one knew it. And -- and -- and last year -- I mean, and, this year, what we should have been doing is talking about the future, the fundamental tax reform, redefining government, judicial activism, all these issues, turning around the culture on death. No one was talking about an agenda for the future.

DOBBS: Your -- Your seat, Sugar Land, now -- the seat that you vacated now represented by a Democrat, how does that make you feel?

DELAY: Oh, it doesn't make me feel very good.

What does make me do -- feel good is, he is going to be a one- term Democrat. Shelley Sekula-Gibbs, in the special election on that ballot, got more votes than he did in the general election, which tells me that, when she is allowed by -- by the courts or anybody else to be on the ballot, or any Republican on the ballot, he loses.

So, he's not going to come back after '08.

ZAHN: Mr. DeLay, I wanted to come back to the stunning announcement that Donald Rumsfeld will be leaving the Pentagon. Why do you think the president told reporters that he would be staying until the end of his term, and, here we are, a day after the election; he reverses that?

DELAY: Well, I don't know. You will have to ask the president that question.

But I do know that discussions about Rumsfeld leaving have been held over years. Rumsfeld twice, way before this, offered his resignation to the president, and he did not accept it. So, I don't find any fault in the president not wanting to prematurely announce his decision before he made it. I think that's -- that's the simple fact of it all.

ZAHN: Do you really think it will make any appreciable difference, if Mr. Gates is confirmed, in the strategy?

DELAY: Well, I'm -- I'm kind of -- I'm worried about two things.

One, I'm worried that the president is going to run this war by consensus or committee by -- by giving the Democrats what they want. We did that in Korea, Vietnam, Central America, and -- and we ended up coming out on the short end of those wars. We cannot run a war on terror by consensus.

Secondly, Robert Gates comes from the Scowcroft-Brzezinski-James Baker ilk, in -- in that they -- they think we ought to reach out and negotiate with Iran, with -- with Syria, with terrorists. You cannot negotiate with terrorists.

And that's a -- that's a big change from Rumsfeld or where those of us that supported the president's leadership are. So, it is going to be interesting.

ZAHN: All right.

DELAY: I hope the president will come out and say, you know, we're -- we are going to win this war. This is not, as Pelosi said this afternoon, a situation that needs a solution.

ZAHN: Sir, I -- I'm told I only have 10 seconds left.

If I'm to read between the lines, are you telling me Mr. Gates is not the best choice for Mr. Rumsfeld's successor?

DELAY: Well, I don't know yet. I want to -- I want to know his world view. And I want to know if he believes in negotiating with terrorists. That's a big, big change in -- in the philosophy of the president, if he is accepting that -- a person that believes that.

ZAHN: Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, thank you for joining Lou and me.

DELAY: Thank you.

DOBBS: And good to be with you, Paula.


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