Top 10 Winners and Losers

By: Lowell
Published On: 11/10/2006 9:29:39 AM

Every election cycle brings "winners" and "losers."  This one was no exception.  With that, here's my list of the top 10 winners and top 10 losers coming out of the Webb-Allen race (aside from the obvious, Webb and Allen themselves, Tom Davis and Frank Wolf, etc.).  Please note that these are not in any particular order, and also that there are many other winners and losers not listed here.

Winners
1) Tim Kaine, who helped Jim Webb tremendously and bolstered his status as a powerful, rising leader in Virginia.
2) Mark Warner who put his popularity and prestige on the line in helping elect Jim Webb.
3) Steve Jarding, who proves once again that he is a political genius.  No wonder this guy teaches at Harvard! :)
4) The Virginia Democratic netroots, which "drafted" Jim Webb and then fought like hell to boost him to victory.
5) Jessica Vanden Berg specifically and the much-maligned Webb campaign in general
6) Leslie Byrne, Jim Webb's "Good Housekeeping Seal of Democratic Approval," crucial to Webb's victory in the primary and general election, a leader in "Women for Webb."
7) The 99% of Virginians who aren't super-rich.
8) Northern Virginia, Hampton Roads, African Americans, Women (ok, I snuck in four here; sorry!)
9) Del. Donald McEachin, who provided invaluable assistance to Jim Webb from early on.
10) Bob Marshall (sad to say), whose heinous "marriage amendment" carried the day.

P.S. I definitely needed a few more than 10 spots here to name people like Doug Wilder, Bobby Scott, Jim Moran, Chap Petersen and the Moran brothers (Jim and Brian) to this list.  That's the problem with lists...you always leave people off who should have been on.

Losers
1) Dick Wadhams, who proved that he is definitely NOT Karl Rove 2.0.
2) Scott "Hitler Ad" Howell, who once again demonstrated how low politics can go.
3) Chris "Swift Boat" Lacivita, who brought his trademark nastiness to Virginia.
4) The Virginia Republican netroots, particularly the disgraceful failure that was the "A-Team"
5) Benny Lambert, aka "Quisling," aka "Benedict Arnold," aka...well, you get the picture.
6) Virginia is for Lovers, especially gay lovers
7) Bill Bolling, who apparently predicted that George Allen would lose, just days before the election
8) Northern Virginia Republicans heading into 2007?
9) Civility in Virginia politics (ad hominem ad nauseum)
10) Certain entrenched, Democratic party operatives who never got with the Jim Webb bandwagon, even after the (admittedly bitter) primary was over.  Even in the closing days, I heard stories (and witnessed personally) of a handful of high-ranking Democrats refusing to wear Webb stickers, even bad-mouthing Webb. That's disgraceful, and all those people richly deserve to be replaced ASAP.

P.S. Bonus winner: all the Democratic Committee Chairs, exemplified by Peter Rousellot in Arlington, who worked their butts off for Jim Webb. Thanks to them.

Lowell Feld is Netroots Coordinator for the Jim Webb for US Senate Campaign.  The ideas expressed here belong to Lowell Feld alone, and do not represent those of Jim Webb, his advisors, staff, or supporters.


Comments



Top 10 (cycle12 - 11/10/2006 9:49:41 AM)
Thanks, Lowell; agreed on all points.  We here in Roanoke County are proud to be part of your 30% figure who worked tirelessly for Jim Webb from late January through early November, and we look forward to continuing working with him for the next 6+ years - congratulations all!

Steve McGraw, Clerk
Roanoke County Circuit Court



Steve, (Susan Mariner - 11/10/2006 10:26:19 AM)
It was nice to meet you and your wife over breakfast the other day.  Thank you so much for your great work on behalf of Jim!  I know how much he appreciates it.


You were a winner, too Susan! (Kathy Gerber - 11/10/2006 3:48:30 PM)
Remebering that ad you starred in :):)


Ouch! (Newport News Dem - 11/10/2006 9:58:07 AM)
P.S. Bonus winner: the 30% or so of Democratic Committee Chairs, exemplified by Peter Rousellot in Arlington, who worked their butts off for Jim Webb.  Bonus loser:  the other 70% who didn't do so much.  Hey, if you don't want to do the job, then why do you have it?

Good question and rephrasing, they need to figure our what the position actually requires and accept the requisite responsibility. Possibly they see the job as chairing a monthly meeting. 

Also, thanks for the attaboy for Hampron Roads. From my post yesterday, our +18,000 Webb votes was the assist in NOVA's goal!



Good, it's calll out time. :) (phriendlyjaime - 11/10/2006 10:04:36 AM)
Wanna hear something terrible?

Here in Richmond, city council members and democratic committee members were coming in on Sunday, 11/5/06, wondering where their yard signs were.  They should be fired.  Lazy, lazy, lazy, and now they think they can bask in Jim Webb's win.  I have NEVER seen such apathy, and I for one am disgusted.  I'm going to laugh when some of these people lose their jobs.

Oh, and for the certain Democratic committee members/chairs that were absent for much of the time here in Richmond bc you were still bitter about a Miller loss (you know who you are-have you taken your Miller sign out of your office yet?) you also should lose your jobs.  We won by just under 9,000 votes, and your lack of integrity and energy could have cost the country the Senate.  For SHAME.

My winners are Abbi Easter and Michael Brown-the saviors of Richmond.  Micheael Brown was a very effective African American outreach coordinator for the campaign across the state, and Abbi just flat out rocks the vote.  I would work with either of them or both of them on any other campaign they ran.  Unless it was George Allen's.  Ha.  Thanks, guys.  :)



Speaking of Richmond-- (Susan Mariner - 11/10/2006 10:29:39 AM)
I would like to add Delegate McEachin to the list of big winners.  I live in the 2nd district in Hampton Roads and would only be able to vote for him for a statewide office, but he's got to be one of my favorites now. 

Thank you Delegate McEachin.  We've got your back.



He's on the list. (phriendlyjaime - 11/10/2006 10:54:44 AM)
BUT...

Doug Wilder is NOT, and considering he helped a LOT and endorsed earlier than ever, he deserves to be on the front paged list.



Oopsy (Susan Mariner - 11/10/2006 10:57:21 AM)
Don't know how I missed that.  And you're right.  Doug Wilder deserves major kudos.  Bobby Scott's assistance was also extremely important in carrying Hampton Roads.  We are very grateful to him and to Doug Wilder.


Abbi Easter rocks! (LAS - 11/10/2006 5:28:25 PM)
And--of course--she's a former Clarkie.


Andy Hurst a winner (Andrea Chamblee - 11/10/2006 10:21:58 AM)
For some reason the Post quoted Tom Davis on why Andy Hurst was running, and Davis didn't say it was because he wanted to challenge a crook in office. Although the Post also asked Tom why he did so poorly and got a similar self-serving answer. But do not doubt that Andy had Tom on the run:
Davis's 55 percent was his smallest winning percentage since he took the seat from a Democrat in 1994, but Davis downplayed its significance.


Howard Dean (jeanbee - 11/10/2006 10:45:02 AM)
is the BIG winner of this election, including in the context of Jim Webb's win.

Gov. Dean's presidential run was the catalyst for the netroots becoming a force to be reckoned with; he inspired so many of us to get involved and stay involved and believe that we could bring about change; and despite all naysayers he insisted on the 50-state strategy that brought new Dems to victory in all kinds of unlikely places - making it possible for Webb's victory to secure the Dem majority in both houses of Congress and have real meaning beyond the Commonwealth. Let's hear it for HOWARD! 



Hi, Jeanbee (KathyinBlacksburg - 11/10/2006 1:59:44 PM)
Hi, Jeanbee!  Great to see you here!  I agree.  While James Webb  was speaking out against the war 6 months before the war broke out (for which I am very greatful), Howard Dean paved the way for ALL Democratic candidates.  He took a lot of heat and was demonized for the most trivial fo failings.  Yet he persisted.  Then he pused for a fifty-state strategy. 

Here's to all the brave souls who spoke the truth, tried to prevent the war, and have continued on to make change!!!!!!!  You all made this happen too.

All the best,

KathyinBlacksburg



meant.. (KathyinBlacksburg - 11/10/2006 2:01:50 PM)
pushed for a fifty-state strategy


#8 (uva08 - 11/10/2006 10:54:32 AM)
Add Charlottesville-Albemarle to that list.  There are only about 85,000 registered voters in Charlottesville-Albemarle (more in surrounding counties) but we are estatic around here with the win!  We gave Webb 62% of the vote out of the close to 50,000 votes cast.  GO WEBB!


In Hampton Roads (Newport News Dem - 11/10/2006 11:09:34 AM)
Susan Mariner and Nancy McPherson exemplify the efforts of dedicated men and woman across the Commonwealth who put in the time, money and efforts in electing Jim Webb and changing this Republic for the better.

You are the best. If we could clone you, we would have won with 60%of the vote!



Agreed! (Jen Little - 11/10/2006 11:17:56 AM)
Susan Mariner and Nancy McPherson top notch, and should be recognized for all their hard work all over the region! 

Good call Newport News Dem!



Little Jen Little (Newport News Dem - 11/10/2006 11:43:50 AM)
is possibly the hardest working Chair in Virginia.

Certainly pound for pound she is!



Yes, she totally rocks!!! (Lowell - 11/10/2006 11:55:05 AM)
Thanks Jen, for all you do! :)


Got more than I gave (Susan Mariner - 11/10/2006 1:44:15 PM)
Charlie and Jen,

I appreciate your kind words.  I can only say that, although I spent countless hours on this campaign, I firmly believe that on a personal level I got much more than I gave.  First, I got to know and work with wonderful people like you two, Nancy, Lowell, Josh, Nichole, Dan Sullivan, Gene Magruder, and so many more.  But most importantly, I got the satisfaction of knowing that I gave all I could to changing the course of our country.  Had Webb somehow come up short, those things would still have been true.  The joy that I feel over the fact that Webb prevailed and brought us the Senate too is almost beyond my ability to understand.  It's still sinking in.

I will never forget this experience, and I want to thank all of you here for giving so many wonderful memories of 2006.  My hope is that everyone will carry with them the power of what has happened here and will let that inspire them to stay involved, to keep giving, to keep working for a better world.

p.s.  Also a big thanks to Loudoun County Dem for being the giver of so many 4's to encourage us all.  That was just a really nice thing to do.



Have another 4... :-) (Loudoun County Dem - 11/10/2006 1:57:58 PM)


Have one yourself LCD (Bubby - 11/10/2006 3:12:55 PM)
You did yeoman's duty.  Even on the down days!


A powerful charge, who/what do you mean? (Arlington Tom - 11/10/2006 11:27:20 AM)
>>>Certain entrenched, Democratic party operatives who never got with the Jim Webb bandwagon, even after the (admittedly bitter) primary was over.  Even in the closing days, I heard stories (and witnessed personally) of a handful of high-ranking Democrats refusing to wear Webb stickers, even bad-mouthing Webb. That's disgraceful, and all those people richly deserve to be replaced ASAP.<<

I agree we need to consolidate around primary winners.  Given the that Va is growing more "purple" - we are still going to see a large amount of  ticket splitting and very close elections for years to come. It is more important than ever our leadership is aligned. Who's not on the bus?



I'm not going to name names here. (Lowell - 11/10/2006 11:29:37 AM)
The people who made scornful comments like "why would I get excited by Jim Webb?!?" know exactly who they are.


Fair enuff (Arlington Tom - 11/10/2006 6:04:44 PM)
I understand not naming names. For those of us who are passionate will just assume our delegates, senator and county board folk are on the bus until I can percieve something different.

BTW: You folk here at RK are amazing. You got me fired up about this race and kept me fired up thru the victory speach.  You folk are the real heros here-



It was worse than that (LAS - 11/10/2006 5:31:40 PM)
They didn't just not "get on the bus." They got in the WAY of the bus. 


SWVA (Brian - 11/10/2006 11:40:38 AM)
Unfortunately, and despite our best efforts, Webb did not carry this region.  But, considering the margin of victory, we would be foolish to discount the hard work that was put in down here to keep the numbers close.

Moreover, without the last minute TV ad by Congressman Boucher and him hosting ten events for Webb the weekend before Election day, the SWVA numbers would have been even less. 

But, I am not being critical of the list, I think its on-point.  However, I did not want anyone to forget a "red" region where a lot of "blue-minded" people worked their tails off. 



There were definitely bright spots in SWVA (Lowell - 11/10/2006 11:56:58 AM)
...but honestly, I was really hoping that Webb would kick butt in that part of the state, especially considering his family ties to that region plus his economic populism. 


It could have .... (Brian - 11/10/2006 12:24:07 PM)
The numbers could have been a lot better here with some help.

For example:

Staff person/office
(Roanoke is a few hours away from most of Southwest Virginia) 

Materials
(The Democracy Prevails PAC ended up buying 90%, or more, of the materials we distributed in Dickenson County - not the campaign)

Family Ties
Most people did not know Webb had any family ties to the region until the Mark Warner ad, and even then, most only knew if they asked someone what Warner was talking about.

Again, I am not throwing stones, just giving some ideas of how we could have done better.



Good suggestions. (Lowell - 11/10/2006 1:00:31 PM)
I don't disagree.


Good thing for SW (LAS - 11/11/2006 2:15:02 AM)
is that Jim Webb is the Senator for ALL of Virginia.

Whether or not the majority of the voters went for him down there, he certainly holds them in great affection and regard. I hope one day they return it.

Honestly, some of us in NoVa felt just the teeniest bit envious of SW--the way Jim Webb goes on and on about that region. It might not be where his home is, but its certainly where his heart is.



Loser: Jim Webb... (thaddaeus toad - 11/10/2006 11:52:06 AM)
Now he has to wear a hated tie all the time. 
Suck it up Senator Webb!


HAHAHAHA! (phriendlyjaime - 11/10/2006 12:32:19 PM)
I saw the title, and went to troll rate you, then I got the whole joke.  Good one.

Susan Allen:  loser.  She will never reside at 1600 PA Ave...Oh, my heart breaks.

Sorry, I know we should remain positive, but after her Webb and Hong smear on Fox the week before the election, I do not have any kind words for her.



I suggest everyone (Catzmaw - 11/10/2006 1:32:42 PM)
donate the most tacky clip-on and novelty ties they can find so he can expand his wardrobe.  A friend's inflatable Disney tie comes to mind.  An attorney friend of mine enjoys wearing a Taco Bell tie to court on occasion.  Mmmmhh, you can almost smell justice being done.


I have a fish tie I could donate... (ericy - 11/10/2006 5:59:34 PM)

Not sure what kind exactly - I think it is a walleye.


See, now you're obviously a very classy tie guy!! (Catzmaw - 11/10/2006 9:07:18 PM)
Let's hear from some more tie guys out there.  Come on, we're looking for suggestions and donations.  This is our next Senator and we want the world to see the "Real Virginia".  Anyone got a hunting motif?  I got walleye here, how about shad?  Any Northern Virginians with traffic jam motif ties?  Let's see a jacknifed tractor trailer tie. 


More ties (Susan Mariner - 11/10/2006 9:27:39 PM)
My husband is willing to donate a Coneheads tie.  Jim always said this was about the beer, though I don't think he ever consumed mass quantities over the past 9 months.  Still, if he's interested, a Coneheads tie could be his for the wearin'.


Tread lightly here Lowell... (FxbAmy - 11/10/2006 11:56:18 AM)
For the most part I agree with your list, but I do take exception to the notion that if you weren't within shouting distance of a field office you weren't doing your job.  In fact, there were plenty of us creating our own phone banking lists, driving 60+ miles to get our own materials and signage, in many cases paying for materials out of our own pockets because the campaign either didn't or wouldn't provide, and creating excitement about a candidate that the campaign wouldn't schedule in our area.  There was little to no outreach to many of the local Democratic Committees, and in districts so red they glow, even 41% to 43% is overachieving.  Unfortunately we don't all live in Arlington, but that doesn't mean we're not true blue Democrats who worked our asses off to get Jim into office.  This was not an electoral vote- ALL 1,175,275 of us who voted count and the race would not have been won solely in NoVA, Richmond and Hampton.

Just my two cents worth...



You're reading WAY too much into this. (Lowell - 11/10/2006 11:58:22 AM)
I never said anything of the sort ("the notion that if you weren't within shouting distance of a field office") and in fact don't even know what you're talking about.  I also never said anything about there not being true-blue Democrats all over Virginia.  Where are you reading this?


Truly didn't mean to offend, but... (FxbAmy - 11/10/2006 2:43:40 PM)
P.S. Bonus winner: the 30% or so of Democratic Committee Chairs, exemplified by Peter Rousellot in Arlington, who worked their butts off for Jim Webb.  Bonus loser:  the other 70% who didn't do so much.  Hey, if you don't want to do the job, then why do you have it?

Just wanted to point out that sometimes the numbers don't accurately reflect the level of involvement or committment.  It's great to be in a locality where you're fighting to bring your candidate from 60% to 75%, even as you're exhausted and burnt you're still getting positive feedback.  It sucks to be in a locality where you're fighting to bring 38% to 43%, and implying that someone wasn't working hard enough just seems to be adding insult to injury. 

I certainly have no idea about the Richmond situation, or some folks making negative statements in public. But I do know first hand that the experience varied widely by locality, and so did the level of outreach and support from the campaign.  We weren't all fighting exactly the same battle.



Call in the Reinforcement (totallynext - 11/10/2006 7:14:40 PM)
We as activist need to have an honest after action report - or as jim is familiar a "Lessons' Learned" review that is conducted after every major military / operational event.

People - this was a campaign (some might even say a military campaign - we were working against an opponent who currently held power).  Anyway - there should be a strategic review and a long-term plan of where and how we can redirect resources from the 75% area on a continually basis to those areas that are 38 - 43% as a standard operating procedure.

Fairly new to the campaign operations - precinct operation thing - and we need to run this thing like a business.  IT appears that we reinvent the wheel with every election cycle which is totally bogus!  We have elections every year - this should not be that big of a deal.  But people are running around with their heads cut - off during the final months of a campaign.

let's make Virgina the state that the rest of the United States looks at for how to win campaigns. 

Granted - there will be a few that only want the title or position in the organization - weed those out - get the workers and the ground troops.  We can keep this rolling even in your areas of 38%



First hand knowledge (Newport News Dem - 11/10/2006 12:32:04 PM)
Some Committees worked hard.
Some Committees did very little.

That was the reality of the situation about which I was aware. 70-30 or 50-50 is not the issue. We had an elected Democratic official quoted in the paper a month ago talking about how the Committees are worthless.

The point is, we need to repair this image and prove our worth by becoming active and sucessful.



Hey you forgot Michael J Fox and Gen Wesley Clark (Tink - 11/10/2006 2:44:59 PM)
That event was incredible.  And it brought people to Jim's campaign who probably never bother to vote.


Wes Clark (JPTERP - 11/10/2006 5:52:11 PM)
Deserves extra credit--he bought into Jim Webb's candidacy when it was in its infancy.  And his network of supporters nationally helped drive money to the campaign at a time when dollars were scarce.

The convergence of Clark and Dean supporters is one of the key developments in this election.  I suspect a number of the networks that helped to get Jim Webb's campaign off the ground in the beginning were laid during the 2004 Democratic presidential primary.  Maybe Lowell can devote a chapter or two to this angle when he gets around to publishing his account of the 2006 Senate race.



OK, this list is going to get really long (Lowell - 11/10/2006 7:02:26 PM)
Add the following to the "winners" list for being extremely helpful to the Webb campaign:

*Wes Clark
*Michael J. Fox
*Barack Obama
*John Kerry (he helped tremendously during the primary)
*Tony Zinni
*Adrienne Christian (Webb's deputy campaign manager)
*Michael Brown (African American outreach coordinator for the Webb campaign)
*Ingrid Morroy (treasurer for the Webb campaign and Arlington County Revenue Commissioner)
*Larry Byrne (field director for the Webb campaign)
*Chap Petersen
*Brian Moran
*Creigh Deeds
*Markos of Daily Kos

Lots more, so I'm going to stop now before I get in MORE trouble! :)



Just a beginning (JPTERP - 11/10/2006 7:26:43 PM)
What's the saying "Success has 1,000 fathers (and mothers)"?

By my count we're only at about 35-40.  We still have a ways to go ;-).

Needless to say--a lot of people played a role.  And hopefully we can pick up some more support moving forward in future elections.



Saturday (Kathy Gerber - 11/10/2006 3:01:02 PM)
Like many of you here, I am spent.  A recovery party is in order. So if anyone is in need of a change of pace, we are having a very informal get together tomorrow in Massies Mill around 1:00 p.m.  The weather is supposed to be nice.

  So bring your own everything because I'll be lucky to stop off for a bag of chips.  And feel comfortable wearing your scruffiest outfit.

Please do come up, down, over, out.. whatever :)

If you need directions, email to kath at skatha net

And we promise not to ask for campaign contributions for anyone.



Here is another Idea... (Bubby - 11/10/2006 3:23:47 PM)
Lets have a Bloggers for Webb gathering.  The whole rowdy bunch - maybe time it for the swearing in ceremony in D.C. and get the Skipper to join us for a group photo. 


that's a plan bubby.. (Kathy Gerber - 11/10/2006 3:40:35 PM)
But.

Are you going to dance with me at the ball or not?



You bet! (Bubby - 11/11/2006 12:32:35 PM)
I'll be dancing the night away!


The Top Winner...In Stafford (stafford dems - 11/10/2006 3:33:00 PM)
A gentleman named Lee Russell, a first-time volunteer who handed out Webb lit and Democratic ballots for 15 straight hours, in the pouring rain, without one single complaint.  This campaign was personal for Lee; behind him shielded from the rain was a framed photo of his son who died in battle in Afghanistan.  Dog tags draped the photo.  And to the right was his son's flag and ribbon cases.  Lee said, this was the first election his son would miss.  Yes, for Lee, this election was personal. 

Now if that is not the top winner, I don't know (who) is.

And the Top Cry-Baby Losers...

The Republicans whose claims of Stafford County vote total hanky-panky made CNN, but amounted to a hill of beans.  Sure, there was a mathematical error - which when corrected - lowered the vote total for Webb by 1300.  But after a long and testy canvass, we actually picked up Webb votes.  Boo hoo!



Thanks so much for sharing this stafford dems (Kathy Gerber - 11/10/2006 3:40:01 PM)
And please give Lee our gratitude.  We are humbled.


Will do! (stafford dems - 11/10/2006 4:45:41 PM)
Thanks Kathy, we'll share your message with Lee.


Where did you get your stats? (Glant - 11/10/2006 3:57:02 PM)
I don't know where you got your 30% number.  I never saw you in my district.  You never called me to ask what we were doing, how you could help, but I know of the many, many calls we made to ask how we could help, of the consecutive weekends given up to canvassing, phonebanking, etc.

So am I one of your 30 or one of your 70? 

How would you know?

Did you attend any one of my monthly meetings to find out what we were doing to support the campaign?  Did you call me or any of the other committee chairs to ask before you started attacking?

HOW DO YOU KNOW??

Do you have any idea how hard it is to support a campaign with little or no money to work with?  We are not Republicans and do not have Republican-like budgets.  None of us!  Frankly, my extra cash went to the Webb campaign, not the Committee.  Did you check to see how much the 70% donated to Webb before you attacked?

HOW DO YOU KNOW??

Do you have any idea how many precinct letters we sent out?  We asked the Webb campaign for help with postage so we could send more.  As it was, we spent virtually every last dime in our federal account on the letters.

DID YOU KNOW?

Because I wonder how many of the other District Chairs also worked their butts off in the last 3 months, only to see a comment like this on RK, and wonder which group you have them in.  This was my first year as Chair, and I never realized how much work it is.  Luckily, I have a lot of excellent help. 

So until you can provide some justification for your statistics, maybe you should reconsider.

After all,

HOW DO YOU KNOW?



There's always more to the story (Vivian J. Paige - 11/10/2006 5:20:28 PM)
I worked at Norfolk's largest precinct for most of the day, even though it wasn't part of what I was to be doing. The precinct had no one there. We had no lit except that put out by the NCDC. One of the Kellam workers stopped in and while he only had Webb/Kellam door hangers, he passed them out and, like me, urged people to vote for Webb, for Bobby Scott, and to vote NO.

Sometimes, there is more going on than folks are aware of. There was some behind-the-scenes animosity between the players down here.

The rarified air of NoVA is not the same as that of other areas.



That's it. (Kathy Gerber - 11/10/2006 5:43:00 PM)
This is a perfect example of what went right.  You saw a need and stepped up to the plate.  So many people were doing things like this - leading from "where you are."  And in an organization with uneven development, that's a critical step that some people don't know how to take.

These problems can be remedied going forward.  The only other thing I'd offer publicly is to urge big fish in small ponds to consider whether or not squabbling helps or hurts the principles they hope to advance in the long run.

Well one other thing - a number of sincere folks were late to the game "getting" the amendment and "getting" Jim Webb.



Why would you assume you're one of the 30%? (Lowell - 11/10/2006 7:06:31 PM)
I'm just basing this on my experiences, and those of many others.  It sounds like your district is great, which is fantastic - keep up the fine work!


You still don't get it! (Glant - 11/10/2006 11:37:52 PM)
I don't assume I'm one of the 30%.  I assume that since you don't know me, and since you probably think my district "underperformed," you think I am one of the 70% you are so ready to dismiss.

And I take this very personally, on behalf of myself and a group of very hard working Dems in a very Republican area.

Stop passing judgement on others.  Let the Republicans tear us down.  We don't have to do it ourselves.  The district chairs are picked by the districts.  If anyone else wants a chance to do the job, all they have to do is show up and start working.  We'll be happy to give them all the responsibility they can handle.

In the meantime, unless you are stuffing envelopes next to me, canvassing, or phonebanking, SHUT UP.

and I mean you Lowell.  You were not in my district.  You do not know.

Apologize to me and my district or Shut Up!



ouch (TurnVirginiaBlue - 11/10/2006 11:47:40 PM)
well, I'm walking into this but I sure do think we need real $$ and support entering into rural (deep red) areas.

All of these areas used to be deep blue during FDR days and since we're working on returning the Democratic party back into the hands of working America this makes a lot of sense.

I worked on another campaign (at the same time as this one) where the DNC basically lost the race before it even began.  not one dime and even then alot of the locals I contacted also said the race was lost before it began...
with this sort of attitude and you're out there trying anyway, it gets pretty frustrating...

and on top of it, I think that analysis we can't win here is dead wrong.  People are suffering...badly, especially on the economic front.



I think you doth protest too much. (Lowell - 11/11/2006 7:13:23 AM)
I have no idea who you are or what district you're in, so why on earth would you assume I was referring to you in any way, shape or form?  Also, your tone is incredibly insulting, given that I worked my ass off the past 2 years - and yes, that includes canvassing, handing out flyers, phone banking, and coordinating with people all over the state.  I'm not sure why you don't see room for improvement in the Virginia Democratic Party, but I certainly do.  Are you arguing that we are performing at 100% optimal conditions and have no room for improvement?  Are you saying that every single Democratic committee chair in this state is operating at peak performance?  Have you been to all the other counties in the state and examined their performance?  If not, then what are you basing your 100% perfection assessment on?


In sum, I would argue that now is the perfect time (Lowell - 11/11/2006 7:42:57 AM)
to do an "after-action report" in order to determine what went smoothly and what could be improved from the past election, where the Democratic Party of Virginia performed well and where we could do better in the future.


One other for the Top 10: (mkfox - 11/10/2006 4:17:01 PM)
Rep. Rick Boucher who campaigned vigorously with Webb, Warner and Kaine when they were in SWVa. Now Boucher is poised to become chairman of the Energy and Air Quality Subcommittee and IP Subcommittee, a big boost for Mountain Empire!


The #1 Winner of this Election is the American People. (Jen Little - 11/10/2006 5:06:14 PM)
The real winner of this election is the United States of America and her citizens! 

The House and Senate once again belong to the people!

By the way, I recall last year we had the same sort of back and forth.  Who worked harder...  Which staffer was the biggest meanie... and so on....

WE ARE VIRGINIA DEMOCRATS, and WE WON!

ENJOY IT EVERYONE!

IT HAS BEEN A VERY VERY VERY LONG 12 YEARS!



Hear hear! (mkfox - 11/10/2006 5:25:52 PM)
Madison, Washington, Jefferson and Co. would be proud!


The environment's a winner (Lowell - 11/10/2006 7:04:37 PM)
*Our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are winners.
*The working and middle classes are winners.
*Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are winners.
*Separation of church and state is a winner.
*I could go on and on with winners, but enough for now.


#10 - total concur (totallynext - 11/10/2006 6:56:41 PM)
Certain entrenched, Democratic party operatives who never got with the Jim Webb bandwagon, even after the (admittedly bitter) primary was over.  Even in the closing days, I heard stories (and witnessed personally) of a handful of high-ranking Democrats refusing to wear Webb stickers, even bad-mouthing Webb. That's disgraceful, and all those people richly deserve to be replaced ASAP.

Also the total lack of organization in the 11th Congressional race.  Andrew Hurst got more % than Judy Feder - why was his race not on the screen with National party leaders?



Lack of organization? (Alice Marshall - 11/10/2006 7:10:52 PM)
Davis spent $3 million, Hurst $300,000. That Hurst was competitive was a measure of the superior organization of the 11th congressional Democratic Committee. The Committee raised and gave Hurst the legal limit and then help organize fundraisers. Sure we wish it was more, but they did a great job.

There were plenty of volunteers, events were covered. There were many reasons Hurst lost, mostly money, but lack of organization was not one of them.

Local Democrats have no power over the DCCC.



I have to totally disagree - It is not just about $$$ (totallynext - 11/10/2006 7:21:45 PM)
two weeks before the election - calling known Dems on the list and they had not even heard of Andy.  There is alot that can be done without 3 million. 

Yes Davis had alot of nice little mailings.  But we had an electorate that was ready for a change - especially in NOVA.  When your candidate is not known is to a % of the voters - then there is a message and organization issue.



You and Lowell are out of line (Thomas Paine - 11/10/2006 7:35:31 PM)
totallynext, How do you know what went on in the 10th CD, the 11th CD or any other CD, for that matter?  Did you work at Hurst's office or Feder's office?  Did you attend any of the 10th or 11th District Committee's fundraisers?  Do you know how much money the 11th committee raised for Hurst?

Those who were involved in the Hurst race thought there was very good coordination between the Hurst campaign, the 11th CD, and FCDC.  Hurst, Feder, and Moran did a lot of the field work for Webb in their respective districts.

As for Lowell, how dare he suggest that 70 percent of the Democratic committees in Virginia did nothing for Webb.  How the hell does he know.  He was locked up in the very Democratic world of Arlington. The rest of Virginia is different.

A previous writer pointed out that the Webb campaign did very little outreach to many Democratic committees.  Many committees operated on their own.  They even bought their own Webb signs and made their own Webb literature.  The Democratic committees also worked for all of their Democratic candidates, including Jim Webb.

Some of the work for Webb hurt other candidates like Feder, Hurst, and even Kellum because it pulled Republicans who may have otherwise stayed home.  No sour grapes here.  What had to be done was done. 

The only sour grapes come from Lowell.  He should not use some blanket statement criticizing 70 percent of the Democratic committees in Virginia.

That ain't the way to win friends and influence people.  In fact, it is pretty snide and elitist.



First of all of that 300,000 - A 1,000 came from me (totallynext - 11/10/2006 8:03:57 PM)
Thomas Paine

Before you get pissy you probably should know - I personally gave over $1,000 to the Hurst campaign. Sponsored events that raised over $6,000 for the campaign.  I participated in "dialing for democrats" when no one knew what it was. 

I walked the streets, I put up signs, I worked the polls and I phoned banked.  I spent three consecutive weekends coordinating volunteers of 170 each weekend. 

Do not give me a what did you do line.  When did one / count them one person from the 11thCD contact the districts to coordinate GOTV? 

Oh  and please tell me how much money did the 11th CD give to Hurst - because last I check that is the function of the 11th CD.

Everyone worked hard - so do not give me a line that you think you are better.  It was an honest observation from a street warrior.  That one month from the election - D+ did not even know Andy's name.  Now we can go round and round - but it is the truth - get insulted, get pissy.  I felt there was not a conserted outreach and or coordination stategy from the 11CD - take it the way it was meant.  That we had an opportunity to do a better job and we did not.



thanks for all your help (Alice Marshall - 11/10/2006 8:22:49 PM)
the FEC limits what committees can give to a candidate, the 11th CD gave the legal limit.

I understand your frustration. When I called D's in my precinct last summer to ask if they would put up a yard sign, almost none of them knew who Andy Hurst was. The same was true when I called D's in Heritage and Bristow precincts to ask if they would help with voter registration. It is very frustrating.

But name recognition is pecularly a function of the amount of material you can send out which is a function of money.



Thanks I appreciate that (totallynext - 11/10/2006 8:34:47 PM)
I totally agree - limited $$ = limited outreach.  This post was derived from frustration.  Great candidate, message just did not get to enough people.

I was truly surprised that Andy out performed Judy, so if money is a critical factor, to quantify its true influence is still limited.

Sorry about the rant - but my management background goes crazy with "perceived" areas that can be improve.  A little bit of focus in the last month and perhaps different results.  Thanks for all of your hard work also.



I may be mistaken (LAS - 11/11/2006 1:47:50 AM)
but I believe Lowell was speaking of NoVa specifically. I hope this mollifies the rest of the state somewhat, as I truly believe he meant no insult to them.

And I would argue, Thomas Paine, that there were certain elements of committee leadership that did very little outreach to the Webb campaign. This was a campaign severely crunched for time and money--to compare it to either the Kaine or Warner campaign is tremendously unfair. I believe Lowell is referring to certain people who could have been more helpful, yet weren't. 

Lowell, if I've spoken out of turn, please let me know.

And let's all try to learn from this experience. Next year we try for the State Senate, and the year after that is the big '08.



Exactly right. (Lowell - 11/11/2006 7:06:59 AM)
"Thomas Paine" is simply misreading what I wrote and trying to pick a fight.  The fact is, there is room for improvementin the Democratic Party of Virginia and of most every other state.  Unless people like "Thomas Paine" are arguing that everything's perfect, that we're operating at 100% capacity, and that we're maximizing our potential.  If so, then I guess we should never strive to do better.  I simply do not believe that.


Thank you for stating the obvious LAS (AnonymousIsAWoman - 11/13/2006 6:26:56 PM)
Sorry I'm late to the controversy because I've been out of town.  But I can vouch for also having overheard comments from some long time activists and party leaders from some in the bluest of the blue parts of Virginia because their candidate did not win the primary.  I don't know that they turned their back on the Webb campaign or that they did no work.  Some did help.  But their private comments, at least, suggest that the bitterness never went away for them. These comments were heard in Democratic urban and suburban strongholds, not rural Virginia. So please, those of you who live in diehard red areas, it's not you Lowell was talking about.  Nor LAS nor me.

We all need to be better at moving on and looking at the bigger picture in the future if we want to be a majority party.

So, let's move forward.



THE Irony of 2006 Ballot Question 1, It helped Webb- (Arlington Tom - 11/10/2006 8:37:19 PM)
I read a report today (linked from red state?) that said in Va, the anti-gay marriage/anti- civil unions amendment actually hurt Allen (with a similar tho less pronounced effect in other states with it on the ballot). Brought to the ballot only to help Allen, it actually brought out more socially conservative African Americans who voted yes on 1, and then FOR Webb. Voting patterns from Right-Wing-Nuts remained largely unchanged from voters at large/the Kaine/Kilgore election. (That is to say they are reliable voters) 

Now we will just have to wait and see how the new constitution mucks up contract law and the wing-nuts work is done.

And once again, thanks to you all at RK. What a great community!



Lowell from Gene (Gene E. Magruder - 11/10/2006 10:19:34 PM)
Lowell,
I know you mean well but some of the city and county committees were put into unique situations that they were not accustomed to being in. The Webb campaign over estimated the capcity and ability of some of the local Democratic committees to be able to run campaigns. Some do not have the financial means, and some of them have never had to deal with what they faced this election cycle. I know it was frustrating at times for all of us but the chairs were frustrated also. The chairs did not have to do such things as buy their own signs and literature during the Warner and Kaine campaigns. This election cycle the committees grew and now we know more about what might be expected in the future. I hope you will reassess your evaluation after looking at the total situation. To any chairs reading this Congratulations you won also.

Gene E. Magruder
Newport News Democratic City Co-chair
Chairman, Virginia Association of Democratic Chairs

P.S. The hard workers representing labor also won



Thanks Gene, I appreciate your comments (Lowell - 11/10/2006 10:38:39 PM)
and deeply respect what you have to say.  Thanks for all your hard work, and also thanks to all the hard work by great people across Virginia for Jim Webb.  Now is the time for all of us to pull together in unifying and strengthening the Democratic Party of Virginia, so that in the future we can live up to our full potential and turn this Commonwealth from "purple" to solid blue!  :)

Best,

Lowell



Pull Together? (Thomas Paine - 11/11/2006 1:00:02 AM)
Lowell,  You can't turn around and talk about unifying and strengthening the Democratic Party of Virginia after you dissed 70% of the Democratic Party chairs in the state in your front page diary.

Why would you want to put a damper on the euphoria of Jim Webb's victory by insulting three-quarters of the Democratic committee chairs across Virginia.  Why would you want to piss people off less than one day after Webb won the election.

Don't sully their reputations AND insult their intelligence by talking about unity when the words coming out of the other side of your mouth are sowing seeds of discontent.

You really are a piece of work.



Welcome back TP! (JPTERP - 11/11/2006 2:25:43 AM)
Well, it's good to see a little in the family bickering.  Must mean the election is over.

Did we win?



Yes, we won. (Kathy Gerber - 11/11/2006 8:17:01 AM)
TP didn't do a whole hell of a lot for euphoria during the campaign by calling you an asshole, JPTERP. I'd call that sowing one of several seeds of discontent.

TP, I have no idea who JPTERP is.  But I do know that he was the ONLY one there for me at a particularly difficult moment.

Other than that, I choose to self-censor for right now.

 



I have edited this post. (Lowell - 11/11/2006 10:10:22 AM)
I think it's time for all of us Democrats to come together in our great victory, and not the time to be engaging in public criticisms of each other.  Strengthening the state party where it needs to be strengthened can be done quietly, slowly, and positively.  Having this discussion publicly may do more harm than good.  I choose to move on to other subjects at this point, such as how we make the Democratic Party of Virginia THE MODEL for the nation.  I hope others will join me.


False unity (Terry - 11/11/2006 9:29:58 AM)
Thomas Paine,

Anyone who has served in a leadership position either in a professional or volunteer capacity understands the value -- and absolute necessity -- of doing a "lessons learned" after a job is completed. There is always room for improvement.

Looking back at Lowell's original statement that got this thread going,I believe it was meant to start a much needed discussion of the failure of SOME party leaders to support ALL candidates.

You seem very defensive. Let's take your comment that, "The Webb campaign did very little outreach to many Democratic committees." First, IMHO, it is the responsibility of the Dem committees to do outreach to the campaigns. This is one of the fundamental problems with our current leadership. They want to be pandered to. It is the job of the committes to get our candidates elected. That's what we all sign up for when we join the party. So let's first get over our own self-importance. Secondly, the Webb campaign through its many supporters like myself who are also party members did outreach to the committee leadership but were in many cases rebuffed or ignored.

You also keep saying that the committee leaders worked for all the candidates including Jim Webb when you know that is not the case for some top leaders. You also state that "some work for Webb hurt other candidates because it pulled out R's who otherwise would have stayed home." Will we as Dems ever stop demonizing Republicans who come home to our party? I think it is far more likely the case that we pulled out Independents who voted for Andy Hurst and Judy Feder down ticket.

There are many problems in our current committee and if we fail to address them we will keep repeating them and lose members. I, for one, am so tired of the totally unprofessional behavior and personal attacks. (I was certainly the victim of one for which you and others have never apologized)

If we do not fix our problems the committee will continue to be little more than a social club for elitists who think they are more important than our Democratic values and candidates.I left high school a long time ago. That is why I and many others may just leave the committee to its own self-destructive behavior and focus on helping our 2007 candidates outside of that structure.

Let me paraphrase the words of a wise man: "Those who refuse to see the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them in the future." So, TP, will you as a leader continue to defend the past or move forward to address these problems and sow seeds of true unity within the party? When will we do a "lessons learned" with an eye toward improvement and stop defending the indefensible?



Let's not cannibalize ourselves (Andrea Chamblee - 11/11/2006 4:13:20 PM)
Let's start out assuming that committees need help from above and the Party needs help from committees, and both need to reach out to each other. Volunteers have to make a living the rest of the day, and the pros are spread too thin to give everyone the help they need.  We need to come to an understanding of what are realistic expectations and we need to pitch in beyond that when we can't meet in the middle. Those lessons learned should not be so much about pointing fingers. It can include how to respond to those times when the egos of others get in the way, because we aren't perfect and people's feelings will get hurt in the bruising nature of campaigning.  Maybe lessons learned can include how to recognize when those potentially damaging events occured, help - or force - those people to take a break and step aside to lick their wounds, and welcome them back when they are ready. If we assume we are all trying our best, we will have better luck to achieve it.