Mason-Dixon Poll: Predictions?

By: Lowell
Published On: 10/23/2006 7:18:27 PM

So, what do you think this poll is going to show?  It will be released at 8 PM and should provide plenty of fodder for hand-wringing, angst and agonizing.  Ha.

[UPDATE: Here are the results:

U.S. Sen. George Allen has ended a two-month freefall in voter support and regained a narrow lead in his re-election bid against Democrat Jim Webb, according to a new poll.

Allen drew 47 percent support and Webb received 43 percent of the vote in a survey of 625 registered voters conducted last Tuesday through Thursday. The sampling was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research Inc. of Washington.

Not thrilling, but we just have to keep working...]


Comments



Hmm... (James Martin - 10/23/2006 7:21:04 PM)
Allen- 47%
Webb-46%
Parker- 2%


The Problem (Gordie - 10/24/2006 8:17:49 AM)
with this poll is, I cannot find anything about the percenrages of whom was polled. Just that 635 were polled. What good is a poll if they will not release who they phoned and what stance. Heck no Republican is going to bash his candidate. He may even stay home but he will never bash his party. They will lie thru their teeth about whom they support. Their were 75 voters in Lynchburg and southside but who did they call, everyone out in the country side?

This percentage of Allen staying at 46/7 percent thru out the race is very suspicious. Just once did he fall to 43. I still believe he is at 43% and the race is a dead heat without the margin of error.



Available right... (Lowell - 10/24/2006 10:51:02 AM)
here:

SAMPLE FIGURES:

Men 310 (50%)  Women 315 (50%)
Whites 526 (84%)  Blacks  92 (15%)  Other  7 (1%)

REGION 

Northern Virginia   165 interviews 
Shenandoah/Piedmont  90 interviews 
Richmond Metro  90 interviews  
Hampton Roads  130 interviews
Lynchburg/Southside  75 interviews
Roanoke/Southwestern Virginia  75 interviews



Allen by 4 (uvadem6213 - 10/23/2006 7:30:29 PM)
Allen - 50%
Webb - 46%
Parker - 1%


Lowell (phriendlyjaime - 10/23/2006 7:31:47 PM)
the fodder for my hand-wringing, angst and agonizing in Richmond, STAYS in Richmond. 

..............

God, I feel just like Laura Bush on Leno now!

But seriously, I have no predictions, just anticipation and some mild apprehension.  I haven't really worried all day; I know what the Webb team needs to do for the next 2 weeks...we have to get out this vote, pholks.  Get thee to your closest campaign office if you have not yet done so.  We can win, but it's hard work (but harder than the work Bush always talks about)...



My source says Allen is up. (va.walter - 10/23/2006 7:31:54 PM)
I'm betting it's 4 or 5 points with Allen hitting or surpassing 50.


I have no sources. (phriendlyjaime - 10/23/2006 7:33:26 PM)
But my gut tells me the polls have been crazy, and that's something both sides have agreed to in the past.

We'll see.



Polls have certainly been crazy. (va.walter - 10/23/2006 7:44:03 PM)
The problem here is that the MD polls are reported widely by the MSM.  "The race is tied" got a lot of play and I'm afraid tomorrow's headlines might be "race no longer tied, Allen leads."  Let's hope I'm wrong.


My source says... (JamesL - 10/23/2006 7:44:14 PM)
...Allen by 12.

Just kidding.

If I were to guess?  Allen by 4-5.



Webb up (mickeyd - 10/23/2006 7:45:36 PM)
My prediction is Webb 49%, Allen 47% and given the margin of error -- a dead heat at this point.  Get to the phone centers, volunteer for literature drops, volunteer to knock on doors.  The GOTV that the GOP prides itself must be overcome by our own GOTV.


UGH! (TurnVirginiaBlue - 10/23/2006 8:03:21 PM)
What is this hump and what does it take to get VA to vote in the real representative????


Um... (phriendlyjaime - 10/23/2006 8:04:46 PM)
apparently you know something we don't.


Oh. (phriendlyjaime - 10/23/2006 8:06:16 PM)
So, ties over, plus 4 for Allen.  Boooo.


Allen below 50% 2 weeks before the election... (Loudoun County Dem - 10/23/2006 8:11:43 PM)
...is big trouble for him, not much up side available...

...This election is all about ground game now...



Latest Mason-Dixon poll (Tink - 10/23/2006 8:16:17 PM)
That would seem to say that George Allen has not gained any support but Webb has lost a little support. 625 is not a very big sample.  Neither candidate should be happy about this poll.  It's all going to come down to that last 10%.


Last poll was 43-43. (va.walter - 10/23/2006 8:27:38 PM)
Based on these numbers it shows Allen picking up 4% and Webb staying the same.  We have to find a way to break through the 42-43 wall.  Allen not being able to break 50 is encouraging but until Webb breaks 45 it's tough to predict a win.


Federal Deficits Need to be Emphasized (Eli - 10/23/2006 8:23:35 PM)

It appears that Allen's hype about taxes has stopped his decline.  Never mind that his extrapalations on Webb positions are not true.  However, the deficit has not recieved that attention it deserves in preparing us for the future.  George Allen is so proud of his tax cuts.  Yet there is nothing the Republicans have done to manage the Federal Government to run on reduced revenue.  To the contrary, they have started a senseless war that has no benifit that dwarfs all other fiscal irresponsibilities.  Since the republicans have held power since 2001 in congress and President, they must take the blame for federal mismanagement of the budget.  I want to see our candidate expose this hypocrisy in an add.  It is regretable dialog on substantive issues must be purchased.  However, that is the way it is.  He want to stay the course which means a credit card war that we will give our children the bill.  How short sighted can that be.  I hope the reply to the tax attack by Allen can be a substantive light on the shortsighed management of the Federal Government on a credit card. 

Eli



I agree and disagree (va.walter - 10/23/2006 8:28:53 PM)
To me, the problem isn't with revenue, there's plenty of revenue.  The problem is with spending too much money, especially on the war.  End result is a huge deficit either way.


And waste. (Kathy Gerber - 10/23/2006 10:08:25 PM)


And waste. (Kathy Gerber - 10/23/2006 10:08:36 PM)


And waste. (Kathy Gerber - 10/23/2006 10:08:38 PM)


I am sorry. (Kathy Gerber - 10/23/2006 10:09:47 PM)
I really didn't mean to do that, but at least it was on an appropriate comment :|


Sorry, the dog hit the computer keyboard (Catzmaw - 10/23/2006 9:07:23 PM)
The only economic commercial I've seen for Webb is the one refuting Allen's tax claims.  Look, Democrats as tax and spenders is the natural Republican default.  We can't win an argument that just says "uh uh, no taxes from us", no matter how fervent.  Remember, we already have all the Democrats, but we have to make Webb attractive to Republicans and moderates.

The only thing likely to work is to show these people exactly what the Bush/Allen policies are costing them.  We've got a commercial saying Allen voted against body armor.  How about Allen voted for the war AND voted against body armor, and that he supports a virtually endless engagement there?  We have to talk about the burden on our kids, upon future generations.  We've got plenty of good numbers posted on this site.  Let's use them.

Now, on the poll, one thing I noticed while phonebanking is how many people no longer have landlines.  I've been through page after page of disconnected phones and think this may have something to do with the conversion of many, especially young people, to cell phones.  That means they're not being picked up in surveys.  When I think of my children (2 of whom can vote) neither they nor any of their friends has a land line.  Everything's by cell and computer.  I've talked to young people.  They may start out oblivious, but talk to them about the war and the constitutional amendment and watch them get connected.  They find it easy to respect Webb.  We need coverage at the local club venues and universities and high schools.  Also, a lot of young folks may not even know whether they're registered to vote.  If their mothers were like me they just checked off that box when the kid went for the license.  Young people should be encouraged to find out whether they're registered. Is GenWebb interested in this?



Yes, there are some interesting sub-numbers & some good news (PM - 10/23/2006 8:28:12 PM)
Allen is stuck below 50%; in fact, his average over the previous four polls was 48.5;  http://www.realclear...

Forty-two percent of Virginians have a favorable impression of him, the lowest mark he has received since summer of 1993

Thirty-nine percent said they have a negative view of Allen, his all time worst grade

Webb struck 34 percent of the voters positively and 28 percent negatively.  LOTS of people with neutral views or don't know, it would seem

Note this one:

"Fifty-one percent of those polled said they disapprove of the president’s handling of the Iraq war, 43 percent liked it."  I think they messed up their sampling; Bush's Iraq numbers should not be that high.  CNN has a 64-34 spread against Bush; Gallup has 66-30.  I cannot believe Virginia is that much more favorable to Bush on Iraq.  Any recent polls on Va. vis a vis Iraq? 



Wow. (Nichole - 10/23/2006 8:39:53 PM)
I was about to post the same CNN poll, that is EXACTLY what jumped out at me.


Interesting black voter numbers (va.walter - 10/23/2006 8:30:39 PM)
Glad to see Allen only getting 4%.  I've been one who predicted a low black turnout with Allen surprising many (+/-15% of black vote).  Maybe I'm wrong.


635 people? (Dan - 10/23/2006 8:32:00 PM)
They call that a poll?  WTF!  That's so few people to poll to get an accurate reading.  They can do better than that.  Standard for good polls is at least 1,000.


Not true. (va.walter - 10/23/2006 8:40:05 PM)
In Virginia, here are the number polled.

Rasmussen - 500
WaPo - 1004
Reuters - 601
Gallup - 597
SUSA - 612

As you can see, the M-D sample is actually on the high side.  Doubling the sample would only cut the MOE by about 2% so there's no point.  Anything over 500 is acceptable and anything over 600 is very solid.



I agree. There's nothing wrong with the poll... (Lowell - 10/23/2006 8:54:18 PM)
...and I really wish people would stop this nonsense every time they don't like a poll's results.  Just suck it up and work harder!


Here here. (thegools - 10/23/2006 10:31:39 PM)
Although I don't know how to work any harder.  I used almost all of my weekend on Webb and many weekends before that in large part.

Maybe this will motivate those who read here and do little to help.  Cheers to you, join us.



Woman are the key (Newport News Dem - 10/23/2006 8:43:52 PM)
The remaining 20% of the African American vote overwhelmingly will go to Webb.

Woman are 45-45 and Webb needs to carry woman by 6-7 points to win. Gosh, you would almost think Allen would run a bunch of bullcrap commercials painting Webb as anti-woman. Then you would think they just might work!

Would also like to see a more that +10 out of NOVA...
+5 out of Hampton Roads is good...



The good Hampton Roads numbers (VA Breeze - 10/23/2006 10:31:13 PM)
are encouraging since they were polled before Webb spent a big weekend in the area.


Hmmmmmmmmm (phriendlyjaime - 10/23/2006 8:43:53 PM)
On the economy, 54 percent approved of White House policies and 39 percent disapproved. On combating terrorism, 57 percent said the president has done a good job, 37 percent said he has not.

Is Virginia way off the mark from the national poll numbers on those issues, or is that trend the same as the local poll results for those issues?

I gotta say it...what does that say about the people polled?  Seems like this could be a good thing for Webb, actually.  That count sounds like that is a pretty GOP friendly sample, and Webb is polled pretty close to Allen.

Just sayin'...hmmmmmmmmm.



Don't read too much into this poll (Vivian J. Paige - 10/23/2006 8:54:33 PM)
This poll was of registered voters, not likely voters. Plus, it sounds like Republicans were oversampled. My guess is that blacks were undersampled.

Since I got polled a bit ago by M-D on this race (and the 2nd CD race), perhaps they know the numbers are hinky.

I'm not buying this one.



Why (Newport News Dem - 10/23/2006 9:16:09 PM)
are likely voters a better sample than registered? Do you think "likely" is better for Webb than registered?

Hope the VA2 numbers are good for Phil, assuming they are releasing one.



Likely vs registered (Vivian J. Paige - 10/23/2006 9:51:48 PM)
Registered voters are the entire pool. Likely voters are a smaller group - those who state they intend to vote. Theoretically, polls of likely voters are more accurate (because we know all registered voters don't vote).

However - the Daily Press is reporting that this was likely voters, while the Pilot is reporting registered voters. At this point, I don't know which is correct.



agreed! (thaddaeus toad - 10/24/2006 10:15:29 AM)
If you read the Pilot story, 625 "registered" voters were polled.  If you read the graph within the Pilot story, it was 625 "likely" voters.  Which is it?
And why are VA issues results so far off from the national trend?  54% approve on WOT?  That seems doubful.


here's my story.... (chiefsjen - 10/24/2006 11:38:46 AM)
so yesterday, i go out to leave for work to find my car has a flat tire -- funny thing, i'd been checking my tires almost religiously because i have webb/hurst stickers on it, and while I live in NoVa (have my entire life) -- i live in the most republican/conservative part of NoVa -- LORTON.

full of rich republicans, and conservative republicans -- this area i believe went for Bush in 04.

So anywho's -- my "hero" husband goes to change my tire and sprained his back, so we went to the doctors and got a Rx for some pain killers.

I took my hubby to the Rite Aid at Gunston Shopping Center and his car also has webb/hurst stickers on it.  As i'm walking towards the Rite Aid, this guy says to me (in the parking lot):

'Someone pay you to put those stickers on your car?'

'I said, No way, we're proud supporters'

To which he said: So you're against Macaca then?  He should be called George Macaca'

I laffed, and said 'yeah'

and he goes, well i dont know that i'd put a sticker on my car, but I am not a fan of Allen or of Bush.

I thought that was pretty interesting, because no one has ever said anything to me about my stickers...

Flashforward a couple hours to the gas station.

This is the ONLY gas/service station in all of Lorton (not counting the 7-11 citgo)

I go to get my tire fixed and decide to have an oil change too. So i'm sitting in the station and dont see my car in the garage and go out to look for it -- the oil change station is outside.

So I go to talk to the guy about my car and he starts talking about my stickers (i also still have my mark warner for president stickers, as i made them for draftmarkwarner campaign)

and this typical southern conservative gas station guy goes:

I'm not a registered democrat or nothing, but i would have voted for Warner for president, etc...

well since mark isn't running, i turn towards Webb. And i ask him his thoughts on the senate race.

And he again points out that he's not a registered democrat, but Webb's got the experience he wants, and he will be supporting Webb, that Allen was a disaster when he was governor, etc and how we really need change this time around.

What very much surprised me was that this guy really knew his stuff and he indicated that he talks a lot with neighbors/family members, etc.

Anyways, I thought that this was a pretty good indicator about what was going on in my neck of the woods.

As I said earlier, yes, NoVa is pretty liberal/democratic -- but Lorton is like the last conservative areas around and on 1 single day in the space of a couple hours, 2 totally different types of people were speaking for Webb, against Allen.

If Webb loses in Va, our state truly sucks and i will not be proud to be a Virginian ever again (mind you, lived here almost 40 yrs, my daughter was born here, my family lives down the street from where my hubby grew up, etc.)

i am worried though :(



I'm actually fine with the poll. (phriendlyjaime - 10/23/2006 8:57:16 PM)
I didn't think there would be a huge change either way, though who wouldn't want their guy to surge ahead!  :)

I am just surprised that the President's numbers differ so much from the national sampling.

Terorism



This makes me want to work harder (Barbara - 10/23/2006 9:15:28 PM)
The only thing this does is want to make me work harder.  Which I will.  It can be done.


Mark Warner, & Tim Kaine 24/7 on the airwaves between (thegools - 10/23/2006 9:37:22 PM)
now and election.  Also, Doug Wilder if you can get him.  And Boucher in SW too for good measure.

Where are these commercials?



Yes, where are the comercials (Teddy - 10/23/2006 9:48:47 PM)
And why hasn't Webb's economic position been highlighted? And this crap about Iraq... how much do you suppose the Fear ad is influencing Virginia, maybe that is why Bush's numbers are up.


I wonder if the Warner-Kaine-etc ads (thegools - 10/23/2006 9:55:33 PM)
might start in another 5-6 days....?  That way their positive effect will max out just about election day.


A WINNING Prescription (ub40fan - 10/23/2006 9:59:01 PM)
George Allen continues to slightly lead because he's had more positve news (Allen & Senator Warner together) stories the last two weeks than Jim Webb.

Jim's been reaching out to constituent groups  but under the radar screen of sorts .... Allen's events have been better publicized as he tries to ride John Warner's coat-tails.

Jim Webb's strength is his personal story as told in the Charlottesville video .... a very positive affirmative piece that has yet to air?? All this negative shit flying around spoils Jim's true image ... creates confusion so people tend to stick with what they know.

So how do you break out? What event or medium will do that?? Simple answer is all of them overlapping. Radio / TV / Printed media (newspapers).... Movie theaters?? What needs to break out .... is a POSITIVE AFFIRMATIVE MESSAGE ... LOUD and CLEAR ... Jim WEBB can't be bought!!!

I hope there are enough dineros to run it!  We are close right now .... come election day we will win this thing... because the majority want a positive change. We should be able to communicate and deliver that. A POSITIVE CHANGE.



As much respect as I have (lwumom - 10/23/2006 10:36:40 PM)
for John Warner, I couldn't help but be a little upset that he was standing by W when he signed away our Constitutional rights last week.  He was the first one to shake W's hand. John Warner lost alot of points with me that day.


SENATOR WARNER (ub40fan - 10/23/2006 10:43:20 PM)
Has really showed his true colors ..... pathetic as it may be at core he's a party man.

Throw that bum out too!!!



He lost my respect (libra - 10/23/2006 10:50:01 PM)
when he caved in and voted for that piece of crap to pass. The photo-op was just the icing on the cake.


Senator Warner should have known better (Catzmaw - 10/23/2006 10:57:04 PM)
I can't help but think that he and some of the others inked their agreement because they assume the Supremes will set it aside sometime in the next couple of years. 

Very upsetting.  I'm mad at Warner and everyone else involved in that deal.



Not a good excuse (libra - 10/24/2006 1:57:43 AM)
Not only can "assume" be rewritten as ass-you-me (ie assumptions can make an ass of you and me) but he (and those Dems who also voted for the abomination) had no logical basis for such an assumption.

For one thing, it was the SCOTUS which *specifically asked* for such a law to be crafted by the Congress, when it threw out the case involving the military tribunals. For another, the court is stacked, 5:4 *at the very least*, with conservatives, some of them unashamedley rabidly partisan and pro-Bush. Bush has used the Constitution as so much toilet paper and they'll happily supply twisted arguments for why he was right.

And in the next two years, the balance may change for the worse, given the age of some of the more liberal ones. It's one more reason to do whatever we can to get as many Repub Senators replaced with Dems; if we have even a scant majority, we might be in a position to stop more Scalito-like nominations from being accepted.



I agree with you (Catzmaw - 10/24/2006 6:34:17 AM)
but it's just that I was reaching for an explanation of how they would have rationalized the legislation. Everyone was being a coward about it as far as I'm concerned.  So afraid that standing up for the Constitution was like standing up for terrorists.  They make me ill.


November 8th - I start campaigning for Bruce Roemmelt (snolan - 10/24/2006 9:17:19 AM)
November 9th - I start campaigning against John Warner.

He has been bought entirely.  First the dispensing of habeus corpus, and now endorsing Allen!?

He's shown he's become a dweeb.  First we get Webb elected.
Then we take back control of the state house (2007).  Then we replace John Warner.

How about Leslie Byrne or Mark Warner as US Senator to replace John Warner - the has-been?



Polls also show.... (lwumom - 10/23/2006 10:27:31 PM)
that the majority of Americans believe that the war in Iraq cannot be won....that it was a huge waste of time and money and, most of all, LIVES.  There are those who will always believe that George W and the Republicans are the best thing since God, but there are just as many who don't believe that anymore.  Just look at the number of people who have started posting here!  I know that everyone is doing everything they can and you're doing a great job!

We have to really bring home the point that all the last minute rhetoric in the world is not going to change the fact that, at this late date, the GOP has failed horribly in everything.  What does that mean?  It means that all our soldiers died while the GOP was playing games, while they were letting their cronies grab all the money they could get from contracts in Iraq.  They thought it would be easy...and they were WRONG!  It means that environment is going to hell, but their friends are richer, so..... It means that more people are finding it harder to make a living than six years ago.  We need to latch on to EVERY news story from Iraq, or about the environment or the homeless, or the people without health care and drive home the point that the GOP and George Allen have facilitated death and destruction, hardship and despair....all while they've been saying "we have it all under control." They have been at the helm of a listing ship for much too long. It's time for a CHANGE!

We've lost alot more than we've gained since these assholes have gotten into office and it's time to shove it down their whining little throats....just to paraphrase.  We have to have a no-holds-barred approach.  This is our future we're talking about and that of our kids. 



I apologize everyone (lwumom - 10/24/2006 2:09:09 AM)
I'm afraid I was speaking with more emotion than I should have.  Over the past few weeks, it looked like we were going to get to move back home to Virginia.  But today, things seem to be coming unglued.  I'm terribly disappointed.  I lost it a little in my last comment.  I just miss Virginia and my family and friends.

You're all doing a great job and I just wish so much that I could do something besides rant.  Thanks. I'm rooting for ya.



Sen. Warner Lost Me (Barbara - 10/23/2006 10:51:43 PM)
I've voted for him in the past.  But he lost me this time. I doubt the he agrees with George Allen, or even if he wants him to win.  What he DOES want, is to retain his position as Chairman of the Armed Services Committee.  Sad, sad, sad.


This reported recently on Yahoo news.... (lwumom - 10/23/2006 10:52:06 PM)
Bush Admin. won't change Iraq Strategy

http://news.yahoo.co...

What will George Allen do?



I can't beleive I'm quoting Ted Roof (DukieDem - 10/24/2006 12:03:39 AM)
After one of our countless demoralizing losses in football, a reporter asked Roof how it would affect team morale. He said:

"When you face a struggle, you can either quit or work harder. We're already in this, so quitting doesn't make any sense."

If Allen has 9% more support (47/43), everyone here needs to work 10% harder and give 10% more money than you would. It's that simple.

Special plea to those of you in the Richmond area, we have lots of work we'd love to have some of you helping us with.



bummed! (SueBonnetSue - 10/24/2006 4:00:12 AM)
I don't get it.  Allen went up 4% since the last M-D poll the end of September and Webb stayed exactly the same!  Last time they were tied!  Can this be right?  How could Webb have not gained a single percentage point?!!!!! 


It's the war, stupid! (David Campbell - 10/24/2006 8:05:10 AM)
All the mudslinging has just muddied the water, allowing voters to default to their party affiliation.

According to the poll, "Fifty-one percent of those polled said they disapprove of the president’s handling of the Iraq war, 43 percent liked it."

Webb needs to make this election a referendum on the Iraq war.  He needs an ad about his early opposition and his plan to resolve it.  Now!