WEBB sign- 10 FEET TALL ! !

By: thegools
Published On: 10/11/2006 12:38:48 PM


Jeff L. and I just put up this sign yesterday.  The W is over 10 feet high.  The E and B's are 8 feet high and 4 feet wide.

This was constucted from refuse campaign material after the last few elections.

Hopefully it will make a splash out here in Fauquier.  You certainly can't miss this one if you pass it!


Full sized pic:
http://static.flickr...

Update: Another view (Thanks Lowell for your help)

Full pic:
http://static.flickr...

(Updates on the flip side)
Update:  I checked-double checked with the property owner to verify that this is clearly on his land-not Highway R.O.W.  And, it blocks no line-of-sight while driving.
  Also, it follows all of the local ordinances as best I could find.

(Note:There have been many including GOP & DEMS, who skirt the local ordinances regarding signage now that it is within 30 days of the election.  By the time a cease-and desist letter can take effect the election is over and the signs are gone.)

Live and let live.


Comments



Better watch it carefully. (phriendlyjaime - 10/11/2006 12:41:54 PM)
It might "disappear."


nice! (TurnVirginiaBlue - 10/11/2006 1:08:20 PM)
although looks "ripe fer de pickin'" for someone to get it...

but I love the idea of HUGE letters it says to me how strongly you want Webb as your Senator!



Already had a 4x8 (Mark - 10/11/2006 1:35:07 PM)
disappear from Rt 60 here in Cumberland. We are going to wrap them in chicken wire and tie them with 40-50 wire ties to make it harder to steal from now on.

Meanwhile, the Allen/Goode back-to-back signs less than a 1/4 mile away are still standing....

Watch out for sign theft. 4x8's are around $30-40 each.



use... (chiefsjen - 10/11/2006 1:58:37 PM)
use barbed wire inside the chicken wire -- i'm not kidding either!

this is great, i was wondering myself what we as citizens are legally allowed to do regarding pushing a candidate.

i was worried that if i made my own signs that the webb campaign would get in trouble...

help me out someone?

i've got tons of ideas!

great sign btw!



Nelson County (Mark - 10/11/2006 2:11:36 PM)
'Gordie', who posts here, has hand-painted around 4 signs that are standing on Rt 29 in Nelson County.

Break out the tools!! Let's see the artist in you Jen!!

(Does your name have to do with the KC Chiefs? If so, I have been a lifelong Bronco fan, having grown up in Colorado.)



hehe (chiefsjen - 10/11/2006 2:20:32 PM)
yes, my name is from being a die-hard chiefs fan!  i was born in DC and raised in NoVa so i'm also a life-long skins fan, but in 1993 became a chiefs fan after joe montana joined the team.

a year later i met my now-husband and he'd been a chiefs fan since he was a kid (skins fan too)... now we are die hard chiefs fans together and some time next year, we'll be relocating to KC because we can no longer afford to live in Va -- even tho we both grew up here, live down the street from where my husband grew up and our daughter attends the same elementary school that my hubbie did.

now, houses cost $1M all around us and we can't take it anymore!

we were supposed to move last year and now i'm glad we didn't, or i would never have gotten involved with supporting jim webb and i never would have met him TWICE!

go webb!



Talk to me Jen (Mark - 10/11/2006 7:48:35 PM)
about your sign ideas, that is....

What do you have in mind?



a general one that goes against... (chiefsjen - 10/11/2006 8:43:54 PM)
the republicans in general:

how can we teach our children not to hurt each other,
when our gov't is torturing in their names.

they can't even keep us safe from spinach, how can they protect us from terrorism?

Va (heart with slash thru it) racism.

or va is NOT for haters!

george washington and thomas jefferson were liberal Virginians!

that's it for now -- i got more bubbling in me brain



USW 8888 HQ in Newport News (Newport News Dem - 10/11/2006 5:19:17 PM)
had their Webb and O'Donnell 4 x 8 signs "disappear" this past Friday.

Do you think that the entire bush cabal would be driving by Saturday morning for the christening of the USN _________ carrier had anything to do with it??? naw, never.



More about signs (Eric - 10/11/2006 1:46:07 PM)
A few things to note in the NOVA area - right around the Vienna metro.

A couple of Webb and Hurst signs have remained standing for a good long time.  While they still remain standing today, the Davis people have placed Davis signs immediately in front of and behind the Democratic signs effectively blocking them out.  Davis should be ashamed that his people stoop to such dirty tactics - but he probably isn't because no one counts except Tom Davis.

Some one had created handmade "Macacas 4 George Allen" signs.  Funny stuff.  But within a few days these signs disappeared while the Allen and Davis signs nearby remained.  Guess they couldn't figure out how to block these custom signs.



I hope people show the decency to respect (thegools - 10/11/2006 1:48:34 PM)
freedomm of speech and private Property.  I ALWAYS DO.

This location has had big Dem signs in the past.  The neighbors often have big GOP signs.  All signs have survived well because of the mutual respect & friendship of the landowners who placed the signs.



What is this mutual respect (Mark - 10/11/2006 2:09:29 PM)
and friendship you speak of? hehehe

Here, it is everyone for themselves, and I will have 4 4x8 Al Weed signs up by the end of the day, spread around the county.



What i mean is that (thegools - 10/11/2006 5:49:25 PM)
where there is true respect, signs don't dissappear as much.

The spot I choose is surrounded by GOP friendly farms.  The owners are friends with the Webb sign owner.  They all get along, but also put opposing signs up.

I'll take the high road every time.



al;exandria va (pvogel - 10/11/2006 2:24:40 PM)
On the 44 hundres block of duke st
on Brian Morans  front yard of his law firm

A HUGE WeBB-MORAN sign.

The republishments cannot take this one down!! Its on private property.

By the way, the mess of allen signs on columbia pike between annandale and baileys xrds is illegal, as it blocks vision by drivers{They are in the median}

Every accident there shoud sue Georie porgies campaign for every cent, and put allen in court.



If some webb supporter removes those signs (thegools - 10/11/2006 5:51:49 PM)
for alleged violations, then it only encourages the GOP guys to do the same to Dem signs.  If we respect theirs, they ar emore likely to respect ours.

Remember the vandals and the people who put up GOP signs are quite often not the same people.

It only takes one ass to remove a lot of signage. 



Illegal Sign Placement (jackiehva - 10/11/2006 2:50:52 PM)
If planting signs on public land (along highways and median strips) is illegal, why is the practice tolerated by local jurisdictions?  This is litter, plain and simple, both parties are guilty and each should be fined according to litter laws/penalties.  So it would be difficult to identify the individuals planting the signs, then fine the candidates' campaigns and bill them for the cost of clean-up.

BTW, how effective are these signs?  If anyone in the Commonwealth is unaware of the candidates' names, they must be living under a rock.  Signs are incredibly expensive and a LOT of them are removed and discarded by the other party.  I believe the money would be better spent on TV ads telling us how the candidates will represent us, their constituents, if elected.



From what we did during the primary... (Delta Mike - 10/11/2006 2:56:47 PM)
... in Arlington you are allowed two signs per median. I'm guessing, like you said, there is some no obstruction rule, which I think is the reason the signs are not very high.

Signs are effective as a rough gauge, to some voters, of the popularity of the candidate. This is no joke. My politically uninvolved aunt votes this way, and TV ads are not effective because she only watches Korean language television.



Delta Mike is right (Eric - 10/11/2006 3:29:02 PM)
about the signs.  A larger number creates an illusion of popularity.  If a voter isn't dead sure about which candidate they want, this illusion of popularity will have an influence on their vote. 

This is one of the classic aspects of advertising - a person might not buy from Company X today based on an ad, but if they always see Company X ads they'll find comfort in familiarity.  So when they do buy, Company X has a greater chance of making a sale.  The signs create a comfort level.

And don't underestimate the number of people who will vote but don't know a damn thing about the race - including the name's of the candidates.  Those street signs may be the ONLY thing they know about the race.

Given the fact that signs cost a significant amount of money (and take effort to be placed) the advantage goes to the incumbent who usually has more money.  Plus signs are easily ripped out which creates a sign war - which isn't good for anyone.

Sad but true.  I'd rather see it played out a different way, but this is what were stuck with for the foreseeable future. 



Name Recognition is the name of the game (Gordie - 10/11/2006 4:17:01 PM)
Personnally and according to a recent poll in the Nelson County Times, people do not vote for a candidate because of a sign. All signs do, is name recognition, and that is what Webb and Weed need. The more the merrier.
Talk about signs being stolen, how would you like to put up signs that say Weed on them. After every football game the signs disappear, plus they end up in college dorms. But I worry about today's students. In our day we would have taken the Goode and the Weed to put on the walls.
On Sunday I was replacing a Weed sign that was stolen about 2 weeks ago. I put it in the exact location and guess what was laying on the ground. A student ID for Sweet Briar college. Coincidence. I doubt it. Being a Democratic softee, I returned the ID and told them not to do anything about it.

In VA, there is a little known Attorney General opinion which says " any candidate that wins a primary may leave there signs up till after the general election. Therefore Weed and Webb signs have been posted in Nelson County since March for Al and April for Jim. Sixty days before the primary election.



I agree that too much has been spent on signs in many (PM - 10/11/2006 4:10:05 PM)
elections, but a sprinkle here and there is necessary.

How much have you contributed to the campaign?



But I like these big signs -- great job Gools (PM - 10/11/2006 4:12:26 PM)
Because they stand out, I think they are effective.

Signs on lawns also are effective.

200 signs in a row in a median are not.  Especially where, as in Fairfax, everybody is using the same color.



But...... (Doug in Mount Vernon - 10/11/2006 4:46:18 PM)
One sign every 200 ft is very effective.  It takes a long time to put them up, but the enemy antics very seldom take them down!

Sign cluster-f**ks are a total waste of time though and they actually tend to piss people off.



Contributions (jackiehva - 10/11/2006 5:07:28 PM)
In past campaigns, thousands; this year, nada. 


Why? (phriendlyjaime - 10/11/2006 5:55:58 PM)
It's pretty evident to me that you don't like Webb.  You're not an offensive troll by any means, but I can read through the lines of your comments.  So, what's the problem?


I Like Webb a LOT (jackiehva - 10/11/2006 7:58:32 PM)
Jaime, I make donations at events and haven't attended any as yet.  I haven't even heard of an event in Eastern Loudoun County (hotbed of the Far Right of the GOP) at this point.  And WOW, I've received no mailings either.  Apart from the TV ads and the debates, I'm not really sure what Jim Webb is about.  I respect his military service and I WILL vote for him. 
BTW: I'm a moderate Republican who is sick of George A. and the status quo.


Huh?? (Loudoun County Dem - 10/11/2006 8:19:41 PM)
Where in Eastern Loudoun County? We're canvassing for Webb and Feder all the time and are bust distributing signs...

How did you miss this event?

or this event?

We have tables or people visible at all events and farmer's markets.

You can volunteer at webbforsenate.com... We'd love to have you help out.



Everything you ever wanted to know about Jim Webb (Lowell - 10/11/2006 8:26:11 PM)
is right here.  Any other questions?


Legality of Signs (Gordie - 10/11/2006 3:35:13 PM)
First the individual. Should anyone go over $200.00 of their own money when making signs,etc. they have to register as a PAC, by VA law. The best way to handle this is to work with the local Committee and get there approval to add there name to yours as endorsers of the sign.

By VA Law/VDOT no signs of any kind are to be put in the media of divided highways. Signs are not to be put in the right away of highways. That distance varies from 25 feet up to 110 feet, depending on the highway. This morning I just picked up a Weed 4x8 at the VDOT in Dillwyn. I was told they picked it up because the middle of the sign was 33 feet from the center of Route 15. I measured the front post hole which was 42 feet from the center of highway. I am sure that signs was the culpurt that some Republican called that it was blocking line of sight or something. So the engineer gave orders to pick up signs in the right of way. Which the over zealous employee did. Political(both parties), Real Estate, For sale by Owner, etc. they were put in an area of the VDOT yard in Dillwyn. Thanks to that complainer there are now 2 large Al Weed signs on route 15 north of Farmville area, since I replaced the first one further back from the road on private property and was guided to another place that was private property.

The third is not to block line of sight when entering a highway. Line of sight would be when pulling up to a stop sign and front of car is 3 feet from stop sign the driver should be able to see in both directions. I always try to make it the second car should have line of sight.

A good rule of thumb for right of way would be to look for telephone boxes along the highway and stay about 2-3 feet behind them or one can carry a measureing tape and try to stay 36 feet from center line of 2 lane highways.

Normally VDOT will not bother signs, especially political since they will come down shortly after an election. They usually do not bother unless some one complains.

Taking down political signs depend on locality, by state law they are suppose to be down within 7-10 days. The campaign could be fined if they are not removed.

One last note: Any sign in any right away can be removed by any citizen with out fear of stealing private property.



If that is the case... (Doug in Mount Vernon - 10/11/2006 4:49:16 PM)
Then why does Fairfax County issue permits for right-of-way signs?  Ffx Cty does not enforce removal until after the election, to my understanding.

Right of way signs are a key re-enforcement of name and election for some of our low-turnout high-Democratic performance precincts along Route 1 in Alexandria.  Every day seeing a string of signs along the drive home is a key reminder to vote, and vote BLUE.



I would say off hand that (Gordie - 10/11/2006 11:28:44 PM)
Fairfax County has a good working relationship with VDOT in your area. What I gave you is the code that I am aware of, but never forget that localities can work their own arrangement with the local jurisdictions.


That sign looks wonderful (Gordie - 10/11/2006 4:01:42 PM)
It is a beautiful looking sign and a very good spot.

Now I hope your local or area ordinance does not have laws on such a large sign. Most localities have ordinances that no larger then certain dimensions, of course at this late date, till they get around to contacting you and writing letters the sign will be down. Hope you endorsed it.

Good sign.



In the next election in our district (PM - 10/11/2006 4:07:54 PM)
we're going to use some cheap GPS devices.  GOP, be forewarned.


creative recycling (andykeg - 10/11/2006 4:21:27 PM)
Rummaging through my barn of used Dem signs, i discovered those Robb for Senate signs only need two letters cut out from the Warner for Governor sign to create the home-made Webb for Senate signs, which will adorn my rural neck of the woods out here near Wytheville.


GASP!!! Look at this!!!!! (phriendlyjaime - 10/11/2006 6:42:12 PM)
http://www.dailykos....

Guys, seriously, protect those signs; these asshats will stop at NOTHING to destroy Jim Webb's supporters and their hard work.



This sign is being monitored by Fauquiers Police force. (thegools - 10/11/2006 7:00:32 PM)
Night and Day. 


huge sign! (drmontoya - 10/11/2006 9:45:36 PM)
sweetness!

and that's the word.



Looks Great! (ChickenLady - 10/11/2006 9:48:26 PM)
Saw it today driving down to Warrenton (I'm in Delaplane, so we're practically neighbors!)


Ah, sign wars! (elevandoski - 10/11/2006 11:07:41 PM)
I guess poverty is a good thing.  We just sent to the printer our approval for 4x4s Monday.  Hopefully, have them by next weekend.  Sad thing is that it sounds like we will be putting up our 1st generation signs in VB at the same time other communities are putting up their 2nd generation thanks to scumbag Repulsicans. 


My Favorite Signage is a Series along Westbound US 50 near Greenbriar (snolan - 10/12/2006 9:57:43 AM)
As I drive west on US-50 near Greenbriar I pass...

"Had enough corruption"

"Vote Democratic"

"Andy Hurst for Congress"

Awesome.

My own signs were stolen from my property (not a big deal - I am on a cul-de-sac with only about 6 neighbors, so no one was seeing it anyway).  I'll put the replacements up illegally somewhere just to exercise some civil disobedience.

Buhahahaha!



Campaign Signs and Virginia Law (snolan - 10/12/2006 10:00:24 AM)
Craig has started an interesting discussion about the legality and ethics of those campaign signs that popup every year (sometimes twice a year for primary elections) and always seem to take too long after an election to disappear.

He cited the portions of the state legal code (33.1-369) that apply here in Virginia, we think...  I am no lawyer, but I've read it a couple of times and I am not sure we have the right section.  I am really interested in knowing though - so if you are a lawyer I'd love to hear your thoughts about wether this section of the code applies to the campaign signs and for everyone wether there is another section of state, county, or city law that applies.
It may help to see the definitions of the terms listed in that section, they are here (33.1-351).  There's a comprehensive list of exemptions (signs that are specifically allowed) here (33.1-355).  Political signs are not specifically mentioned, but several similar signs are.

Aside from the legality of these signs, there are some common sense safety and ethical issues too.  Safety is at risk when any signs block view of oncoming or around the corner traffic.  When safety is at risk I have no problem with pulling those signs down.  Ethically it is wrong to not pick up signs after they are done serving their purpose and possibly wrong to put them up in the first place, but both pale in comparison to those who place wire-framed signs then later pick up only the coverings and leave the wire frame (which is very hard to see with no sign on it) for the county, city, or state mowers to run over with their machines.  It's unsafe and damages the mowing equipment.

(this is a cross post from my own blog, but it seemed pertinent)