Now it's time to ask, what did Bush do?

The answer is clear and your smokescreen can't obscure that fact.

Bush did nothing.

Thanks for playing.

...on a wave of trumped-up hatred piled on Clinton, so save your sanctimony and hypocrisy for the F-Troop.

You have only anger, ignorance, hatred and greed to support you bogus claims.

How can any reasonable person still support Bush when Bush, Allen, and the Conservative movement have failed the nation on every issue and weakened our place in the world, possibly beyond repair.

Hatred, I leave for you and your cohorts to direct towards the hard-working families who make up the middle class and lower-class of this nation, oh, and of course, Bill Clinton. 

Hope I keep for America and America will prevail on November 7.

Given the actions that Bush has taken since he became President, let us all thank almighty God that he hasn't done anything else.  His anti-Midas effect ensures that everything he touches turns to feces, while insanely rich people and corporations line their pockets at the expense of hard-working normal Americans. 

I served in the navy under the Clinton presidency and I admit that most of us were skeptical of him, given his early life anti-military background.  However, in hindsight (and by comparison to the current one) Clinton was a pretty damn good President.

Do you even live in America?

besides:  It's all Clinton's fault.

Which part of the Clinton years did you hate most, the peace or the prosperity?

yet Bush allowed Genocide in Sudan, which continues today.

Bush was offered Bin Laden by the Taliban and he did nothing.  The offer was completely ignored.

You haven't made any arguments, you've cast aspersions, REAL ASPERSIONS on a President who did what he could and failed, leaving his best man and his best plan ready to roll for Bush, who DID NOTHING.

Bush did nothing to stop 9/11.

What does rampant corruption in the company that was Bush's biggest campaign contributor have to do with that?

you wouldn't have to tell me.

It would be obvious and apparent.

What is obvious and apparent is that you can't face the truth, the glaring, painful, terrifying truth, that your "infallible" President screwed the pooch, let 9/11 happen, fought the creation of the 9/11 commission, lied to get us in to Iraq, and allowed New Orleans to drown.

More Americans have died in Bush's indecipherable war of choice than died in 9/11.  The War, which was supposed to pay for itself with oil revenues, has cost nearly as much as every penny earned in the State of Virginia in 2005.  Oh, and we continue as an occupying force within a civil war.  Worldwide, there are now three times the number of terrorist activities per year than there were before Bush and Allen started running things.

So, let me ask you one simple thing, and tell the truth: "Do you feel safer yet?"  The 60% of our nation (probably "traitors" to you) who want us out of Iraq, certainly don't.

Is that Bush is creating a new generation of terrorists like a cancer that is spreading.  Remember London?  Madrid?  yeah, I'm sure they feel much safer.

Ignorance isn't a sound foreign policy.  Belligerent nationalism only works for invading empires intent on taking land and conquering other nations.

Is that America?

And what you don't understand is that Saddam Houssein was a sworn enemy of Al Qaeda.

It's the precise kind of ignorance and idiocy that you embody that got us in to this quagmire and that is creating a new Sunni super-nation across the middle east.

People like you are too ill-informed to be entrusted with the future of America and the world.  Give it up, Bush, Allen and the Conservative movement have failed the nation and brought the world perilously close to irreversable destruction. 

The argument that intelligence is weakness was created buy the ignorant, so that they could take power.  It worked.  Look at where it's gotten us.

The war in Iraq creates jihaadists, dead and wounded Americans, contracts for Republican corporate contributors, and oh yeah, dead Iraqi citizens, not that their blood means anything to you.

Americans are sick and tired of being patronized by corrupt Republican elites who tell them they should be afraid, and give up their freedom in exchange for a promise of security that never materializes.

Under Bush's watch, America has now fallen to 6th in world competitiveness, and for all the right wing preaches about "familiy values", you fail to either value families or show the moral leadership to earn the respect and admiration of the world.

We need to be strong, but ignorance is only strenght to characters in George Orwell novels and today's Republican party.

The people who have destoryed our reputation in the world, our economy, our military, our moral fabric as a nation, and our constitution, are not the ones to fix it.

The Democrats held power in this country for 40 years and they never achieved the astounding corruption, incompetence, or hypocrisy of this Republican Hegemony.

I trust that your eyes will never open, but there is hope for the vast majority of Americans, because Hope is the true heart of the American dream, and the Conservative movement has crushed America's hope for far too long.

signed the Voting Rights Act.

It's called the internet, maybe if you use it, you might learn a fact or two.

Obviously, being a right-wing reactionary makes you ignorant on both foreign policy and domestic issues.

god bless you.

When Bush ran for President he chanted to the military that "Help is on the way!"  We're still waiting--no help yet, and thousands have died needlessly in a war based on lies. If you support him, blood is on your hands too. Tens of thousands of disabled vets added to the VA system, while Bush administration lets the VA budget wither.  Clinton raised military salaries in unprecedented rates.  Bush skimps on the military to pay private contractors big $$$ and they just mess things up. Normal Americans are getting wise to you and your cabal of profiteers with your phony patriotism.  And we're going to vote some accountability into office in November.  Buy some popcorn, because it's going to be a good show.

When we win, I'll continue to champion fair elections,  paper trails, universal absentee voting, and independent redistricting so that the right-wing's voter suppression and "backlash insurance" tactics don't work.

You won't need to cry on November 7.  When Webb Defeats Allen, we'll have leadership in Washington we can all be proud of again.

This country really needs true patriots like James Webb in office.

By the way, how many draft deferments did Cheney get?  How many drill weekends did Bush skip out of?  What is George Allen's record of service?  What a contrast in character. 

did George Allen throw the day that Jim Webb earned the Navy Cross?

Webb received the Navy Cross for actions on July 10, 1969. The citation read:

  The Navy Cross is presented to James H. Webb, Jr., First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, for extraordinary heroism while serving as a Platoon Commander with Company D, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, First Marine Division (Reinforced), Fleet Marine Force, in connection with combat operations against the enemy in the Republic of Vietnam. On 10 July 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb's platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex which appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade which detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel. Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search which yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker. By his courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Webb upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and of the United States Naval Service.

for sharing the strategies being discussed on your side.  Should it turn out that facts indicate that the election is stolen or if there is voter fraud, a silent do-nothing response would be cowardly and decidedly unAmerican.

Speaking up in the face of fraud often takes courage.  Interesting that you would try to make it seem unmanly.  Gender really doesn't have a whole lot to do with cheating and honesty, does it.  And please leave off with the stereotypes invoked by your crying reference. 

....Parrot.  I you say things over and over maybe people will start to believe you.

for an outstanding and engaging discussion on issues of substance.  We have heated discussions and we have intense debates.  While I strongly disagree with every point and opinion I've ever seen you express, I appreciate you taking the time to share them here.  I champion your right to speak and your passion.

Every time my Mother had a gathering of friends... when it got late they'd say "I've had a great time, but now I need to go home, and you need to get some rest". And then they'd keep her standing at the door for the next 45 minutes, reiterating the same things they'd said before.

So it is with the blackamerican... All those "exit promises" (suggested by his "it's been nice...")that he doesn't keep are so reminiscent of my my Mother's friends, 40-50 yrs ago, I feel almost teary :)

OK, for the last minute (or 45) of the at-the-door conversation (nd please don't come back):

"The problem with you folks on the left is that the rest of country does not agree with your issues."

The 36% is "the rest of the country"? It's like the green card application (the citizenship one is identical, BTW. Or was, 25 yrs ago), where it says that one is not allowed to visit "the *communist portion* of China". Just grab an atlas, compare Taiwan to the "communist portion" and see why I laughed till I cried.

"Most people are interested in killing the bad guys[...]

Um... No. I really can't decide whether you're disingeneous or dumb, but...:

Most of us are interested in *catching* them first and nailing them -- in court, for everyone to see and approve -- later. If the courts decide they ought to be killed, fine. If the courts decide (my personal preference) that they ought to rot in jail till they die of (very) old age, fine. It's something that Clinton and his team had been good at -- vide the first bombing of the WTC -- but the Bush team has failed to do, abysmally. For all the posturing and for all the *unquestioned* support -- from all the mass media (press, TV, radio) and from both houses of the Congress -- all that B43 has been able to accomplish, in 5.5 yrs, is nail 7 IQ-deficient morons in Miami. There was one -- potentially important -- "operator" kept in Bagram but he was allowed to escape. Not that anyone cares, of course... your own Selected Resident is on record saying that he doesn't care where Osama is (not that I'm surprised, given the closeness between the Bush and Bin Laden families. I wouldn't bet they exchange christmas cards, but I wouldn't exclude the possibility either. Especially if the cards cover multi-million-dollar checks)

"Most people are interested in seeing america win this war on terror"

You're, probably, right on that since nobody likes to be a loser (and the Selected Resident and his DoDo even less than average). But. a) war in Iraq never had anything to do with war on terror (actually, Bush's pronounciation -- "war on terra" -- is much more appropriate to anyone with even a lick o' Latin). b) I'd like to see one, ONE, description of what a "win" means -- to you or to them (or to anyone).

"Most americans like the fact that they get to keep more of the money that they earn[...]"

I excpect they *would*... But, given that they don't... :)

Take my case, for example. Before Bush's poor excuse for economy, I was upper middle class; now I'm worried middle class on the way to the nearest sewer outlet. My invested savings have taken a bath in '01 and, while they've been steadily climbing up for the past 18-24 months, they have *yet* to reach the pre-'01 level of returns. In the meantime, *everything I need* (never mind things I simply want) has gone up -- food, medicine, gas... you name it, it's more expensive.

I'm blessed that our house is all paid for (but my son can't even dream of getting one, for all he has a steady and well paid job). Part o it may be due to the fact that, in the 5+ yrs of the Moron-in-Chief's rule, the dollar tanked so badly it's worth diddly squat, while almost everything we need is "Made in Elsewhere". It may be *made* cheaply, but it requires so many "brokers" before it reaches me, and every "broker's" fee has at least tripled... I see no savings, just price climbing. 

With so many new expenses coming out of the old "pocket"(our basic income has *not* changed), I'm unable to save and thus take adantage of the recovering *stock market economy*

"[...]are not interested in democrat rhetoric about tax cuts for the rich"

Perhaps not. If they're stupid enough to think it's just rhetoric:) 

Me, I *know* that not being taxed on investment income is no bonus; I'd rather have high investment income (pre-Bush) and pay tax on it. That way, I'd have more money and someone else migh profit as well (a library opened an extra hour a week? A few dollars added to a student grant? Whatever) -- two birds with one stone. As things are... I didn't -- quite -- qualify for taxation before Bush and, given his record, I *still* wouldn't qualify -- cuts or no. So tax cuts on investments leave me stone cold, because I'm not a multi-millionaire.

As for the estate tax, which y'all like to call "death tax"... You must be one of the "fabled 59" (or was it 54?) blacks in US who'll profit from the exemption; there's NO WAY my DH and I will *leave* more than 10 million dollars (the un-taxed treshold for a couple), and we're in the priviledged -- white as a calla lily -- bracket. Since you're on record as having come up from an urban ghetto and pulled yourself by bootstraps into prosperity... I must congratulate you.

Give me one example of *meaningful* tax cuts for the poor. Or even middle class.

"If the tax cuts are so bad, how come the rich dems, like Clinton, Soros, Mark Warner, Webb and the like have not returned those unwanted dollars to the treasury."

I don't think Webb's rich in his own name; he seems to have come up from the "shoestring ranks" and is "rich" in admireres/volunteers but not in any other way. Don't know about Warner. But it's really irrelevant how rich anyone on your list is. None of them took any illegal, or even dubious money (unlike some others we could mention. Including Cheney; look into *his* tax story/stories )... why should they "return it to the treasury", which is, at the moment, governed/controlled by the monsters? So it could be funnelled into the GOP slime-spewing election-machine?

They plow it into socially important causes which had been bypassed/forgotten/actively fought by the current, misbegotten, gvt. The way the same money would have gone to the same causes had it been taxed. They tithe -- a concept all the Christian radicals ought to be familiar with but aren't. Which makes them "good people", even if they're rich.

Whom do you tithe, from all the tax-cut savings you got? No, don't answer that; you need to go home and I need to rest. Please don't come back; it's been fun, but enough is enough.

you are an ill-informed buffoon if you buy the rush limbaugh and sean hannity lie about "bin laden's head was handed to Clinton on a silver platter."

Read the Clark book...read the 9-11 Commission...this is another right wing lie and you are too GD stupid to understand you are being lied to by a bunch of Clinton haters! Wake up and educate yourself.

Bill Clinton himself stated that he was offered Bin Laden but refused to take him because he did not feel that he could hold him.  These Bill Clinton's words my friend.  You can make up all kinds of stuff all your want it does not change anything.  Listen to the man's owns words.  He also admitted that he failed.  This is not debatable.  So please, do not try to insult me here.  Richard Clarke has stated the Clinton adminstration do not have a comphrensive plan to deal with bin Laden.  These Clarke's own words.  So you need to get your facts correct.

If there is nothing to hide from the Clinton adminstration, then why did Sandy Berger steal documents from the national arhives?  One does not commit crimes and try to cover things up if there is nothing to hide.  History will judge Clinton as a weak President when it came to making the tough decisions, as Clarke himself has judged Clinton. 

Since I have read the Clark book, and I bet you have not, may I quote from it...

"In recent yesrs Sudanese intelligence officials and Americans friendly to the Sudan regime have invented a fable about Bin Laden's final days in Khartoum. In the fable the Sudanese government offers to arrest bin Laden and hand him over in chains to FBI agents, but Washington rejects the offer because the Clinton administration does not see bin Laden as important or does and cannot find anywhere to put him on trial.

The only slivers of truth in this fable are ...b0 the CSG (Sudan Intelligence) had initiated informal inquiries with several nations about incarcerating bin Laden, or putting him on trial. There were no takers. Nonetheless, had we been able to put our hands on him then we would have gladly done so."

The 9-11 Commission has corroborated this as urban ledged.

What do you have...a newsmax or free republic tape recording?

Spare me you infantile efforts at the truth. You suck at it

more talk radio bull---t.

Read the WAPO link, if you read.

http://www.washingto...

The Justice Department said yesterday there was no evidence that former national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger was trying to conceal information when he illegally took copies of classified terrorism documents out of the National Archives in 2003.

Hillman noted that Berger only had copies of the documents -- not the originals -- and so was not charged with the more serious crime of destroying documents.

So the long and short of it is Berger took COPIES, not originals. For the idocy of right wing world..YOU CAN'T BE HIDING ANYTHING OR COVERING UP ANYTHING IF YOU LEAVE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS BEHIND

By the way, Berger admitted his error of taking the copies like a man. When will the bushies ever own up to theri 6 year reign of error?

Again, don't come here with Limbaugh/Hannity bull---t!

From the preface...

Bill Clinton, who identified terrorism as a major post-Cold War threat and acted to improve our counterterrorisnm capabilities, who (little known to the public) quelled anti-American terrorism in Iraq and Iran and defeated an al Qaeda attempt to dominate Bosnia:

from the epilogue....

I did not resign in protest when my recommendations to bomb the al Qaeda infrastructure in Afghanistan were deferred...

Notice deferred not ignored!

Did Clarke find some fault, yes. On balance, Clarke speaks very highly of the Clinton efforts, period and end of your blissful ignorance.

You asked what Clinton did to stop 9-11, even though the record is clear bush failed to heed the warnings given by Clinton personnel during transition. Here is what HE DID WHEN HE WAS IN CHARGE!

Bill Clinton developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S.  Jetliners simultaneously.
Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.

Read the 9-11 commission report on how Bill Clinton's team responded to a 1998 PDB on a pending attack by Al Qaeda, how they alerted all agencies of the government. Terrorism was a top priority at the Principal's level.

Read how after Bush was presented the 8-6 PDB of the impending attack that occurred on 9-11. Bush tells the briefer "okay, you have covered you ass". How many Principal's meetings happened under bush at the pleading of Richard Clark?

The only one feeling guilt over the death and destruction is the bush team. They were AWOL (again) and the death and destruction wrought by their neglect is now a political hammer they use to bludgeon Democrats. Bush and his team are incompetents at all aspects of governance. Unfortunately, this is not about the trains running on time, this is about dead bodies piling up under their rule.

Don't bring your weak ass talk radio shit here. You are incapable and overmatched by us in the reality based community. Again....educate yourself, man!

To me who did what pre 9/11 is currently less important than post 9/11.  I feel that there was a pre 9/11 mentality that viewed things as more of a police action.  My concern is where we are now.  Remember post 9/11 when the country was mostly united.  Where have we gone?  The bush administration has started 2 wars.  It has won neither one and, indeed, our enemies are growing stronger.  The unity of the USA is completely gone. The bush administration has NOT supported our own troops.  It ignored the advice of our best military leaders and did not send enough troops to win.  It did not send the troops enough equipment, indeed some had to buy their own. Now the bush administration wants to cut funding for our Army.  Outrageous in a time of war!
 

There is no denial of that.

Why is this argument going on? Why is the blame being shifted back in forth along partisan lines?

Why? Because it's an election year.

They both failed. Democrats and Republicans.

But. I think evidence not rhetoric shows that the Clinton Administration did do more to hunt and kill bin laden.

Now, that's not putting to much blame on Bush admin, but Clinton didn't catch him, and Bush didn't concentrate on him.

They both failed.

Regardless. But, instead of talking about what we did for terrorism now, we ought to be talking about what are we doing about terrorism now.

Remember facts are what matter, not rhetoric.

Do we have a plan to move forward? Do we have an exit strategy? Are we doing what's best in the name of security?

Just askin..

but it brings my Irish blood to boil when the right wing lies about the Clinton record becasue they loathed Bill Clinton.

As noted in replies to BlackAmerican, they have made up stories and fables (Richard Clarke's term) about the Clinton record. I do not find a body of evidence that the same was done with Bush. You can find strong opinions, but not lies and distortions of the authoratative record.

Lastly, when errors did happen, Clinton's team did what is an anethema to the bushies, took responsibilty or apologized...What a concept!