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Larry knows more than he will say...

Chris Mathews came across well on this one.  He said being raised in Philly, in a racially divided town, people did not use it

But definitely Sabato seems to know something more.  And it is a courageous stand, because now they'll attack Sabato.

This is the reason there are so few whistleblowers in DC.  Lots of people have seen illegal, dirty things but they know the consequences if they speak.

This is such an inflammatory issue, Sabato deserves a lot of credit for having the guts to be so honest.  Because he just became anathema to the entire GOP--not a good place for the nation's go-to politics professor to be.

Thanks, Prof. Sabato.  You just did something very good and courageous for Virginia.

He's never going to recover from these sorts of stories.

I can hardly wait to see what Olbermann has to say!

http://www.msnbc.msn...

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read between the lines.

Christopher Taylor, an anthropology professor at Auburn University in Birmingham, Ala., said that in the early 1980’s he heard Mr. Allen use an inflammatory epithet for African Americans. Mr. Taylor, who is white and was then a graduate student at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, said the term came up in a conversation about the turtles in a pond near Mr. Allen’s property. According to Mr. Taylor, Mr. Allen said that “around here” only the African Americans — whom he referred to by the epithet — “eat ‘em.”

And Josh Marshall says there's another witness about to come forward:
http://www.talkingpo...

(He seems to be saying the new person that talked to the New York Times is not the "new" witness he was referring to -- a bit confusing)

There is a local divergence in dietary tradition that reflects the extreme class differences.  Turtle is just one, carp is another. (don't get me started on shad..)

This really speaks to the authenticity of the witness.  And it lends credibility to the deer head in the mailbox, too.

Thanks for all these links.

That does not mean, however, that Jim Webb can afford to take the African American vote, or any vote, for granted.  There is still some courtship and discussion to be done.

Remember the documented dirty trick played against incumbant Alexandria area Delegate Mark Sickles last year who enjoyed an eighty percent approval rating from his entire voter base.  They figured the only way to beat Mark was to "Kill" him. So, as stupid as it sounds and as funny as they thought it was, what they did at the last minute the night before the election was to place a "Robo-Dial" to all the voters in Mark's district claiming that Mark had just died suddenly and to just go ahead and vote for the other guy on the ballot. Granted, this had limited effect, but if this trick suppressed ONE VOTE it should have been a felony that was prosecuted. Or the old suppression trick that is especially effect in a non-presidential year with bad weather of slashing the tires on the "voter transportation" buses and vans the very early morning of the elections.... "if you can't change their minds, then keeping them from voting" seems to be the strategy that they have resorted to for years.

http://www.tnr.com/d...

n August 17, 2006, in the midst of the media frenzy over Allen's use of the word macaca to address an Indian-American, Taylor wrote to Frederick H. Damon, the Director of Graduate Studies at UVA's Department of Anthropology. Taylor, who, as a UVA graduate student, earned extra money by doing publicity photo shoots for local businesses, told the following story about meeting Allen:

I met him twice actaully [sic]. I did two modelling [sic] jobs with his then wife and she told me about some puppies they were trying to give away. I told her I'd like to take one. So one evening I went out to their place in the country near [Charlottesville] somewhere. There was a pond quite close by. I asked if they had any waterfowl landing there. George told me about the ducks and geese that sometimes landed there and about the ducks who tried to raise their young but who would have them all devoured by the big turtles in the pond. Well, why doesn't someone kill the turtles and eat them? I asked. George said 'only the niggers around here eat em.'

Last night, Salon's Michael Scherer reported that three members of Allen's college football team said Allen regularly used the N-word in college. One of the players, Ken Shelton, now a North Carolina radiologist, also said that Allen stuffed the head of a deer in a black family's mailbox. On Monday, Allen told the Associated Press, "The story and his comments and assertions in there are completely false."

An email request for comment sent to four Allen staffers regarding the new accusations from Taylor was not returned by early Monday evening. The only other witness to the exchange, Allen's first wife Anne Allen, could not be reached for comment.

Asked recently about his political leanings, Taylor, who initially requested that his story about Allen not be publicized because he feared legal action from the senator, responded, "I'm a Democrat. And I certainly want to see his [Allen's] opponent elected." Asked if he intended his e-mail to become public, Taylor laughed. "No, it was Fred Damon who decided to tell all these other people."

Many details of Taylor's account were independently confirmed by The New Republic. Taylor explained that he met Anne Allen during a modeling job for the Barracks Road Shopping Center, a well-known retail destination in Charlottesville. According to Bob Gibson, a political writer at the Charlottesville Daily Progress who has covered Allen for almost three decades, Anne Allen was indeed a model in the early '80s. According to a person who lives near the Allen cabin, which the senator no longer owns, "the property does have a manmade pond on it."

In the wake of allegations that Virginia Senator George Allen repeatedly used the word "nigger" as a college student at the University of Virginia in the 1970s, the senator today issued a blanket denial that he has ever uttered the word. "I don't remember ever using that word and it is absolutely false that that was ever part of my vocabulary," Allen told the Associated Press Monday.

But now another former acquaintance of the senator's has come forward, saying that Allen once used the word "nigger" in his presence in the early '80s. Chris Taylor, a University of Alabama professor of anthropology, says the incident occurred in about 1981 or 1982, when Taylor (then a UVA graduate student) visited Allen (then a Virginia attorney just beginning his political career) at Allen's cabin in Earlysville, Virginia.

Taylor told his account of Allen's use of the N-word in a private email to a UVA colleague last month. The email was recently obtained by The New Republic. Taylor confirmed the authenticity of the email and reluctantly agreed to speak on the record about the incident.

Earlier today, Allen was looking like toast. Now he's looking like a pile of blackened crumbs.

The pick up the Salon info and also Mr. Taylor's story.

Key points: 1) Allen was 30ish at that point, so it's less explainable as a youthful indiscretion, and 2) for all of y'all Virginia MSM folks who read this fine blog, now that the NYT has picked it up, it's a 'respectable' story -- do you want to end up running it on Wednesday when your competitors had it their Tuesday editions?

But you've gotta Love Prof Larry Sabato for nailing a liar. It does take guts. Maybe having Sidarth sitting in his class gave him some courage. Afterall Sidarth is a really nice guy ... and George Allen is NOT. Allen is just a conceited Bully.

What I'm waiting for is when Colbert gets a hold of this .... that will be classic!!

Keep the heat on Webb Campaign!! ... Keep Allen's feet to the fire!! TOAST HIM!!

African Americans in Virginia have just been given a powerful reason not to vote for George Allen, yes.

But it's now the Democrats' job to persuade them that they have an equally powerful reason to vote *for* Jim Webb.

And we Dems had better not forget it.

I don't think Allen stopped long enough to ask how the African-Americans voted before he cut off the head of a deer and stuffed it into their mailbox. 

p.s., only Allen can destroy Allen's character.  However, Allen needs to develop character before he can destroy it.

Allen's lies created "wedge issues."  Unfortunately for Allen, in his case he "wedged" himself into a corner where he couldn't fight his own way out of a wet paper bag. 

If Allen had never intended to hold public office, he could have quietly lived a racist life.  However, since he has always had a desire to seek further public office, the fact that he continued to openly use racist remarks was a high risk, Las Vegas gamble.  The odds of his racism coming back to bite him were very great.

Allen's "macaca" remark was, in my opinion, a racist remark.  We have all heard many stories about Allen being a bully.  The "macaca" incident was a classic event of bullying.  Allen tried to belittle a young, minority kid in a rural area of Virginia, where Allen knew the crowd would be at least politically hostile towards Sidarth and probably racially hostile. 

Simply put, Allen was bullying Sidarth by baiting the crowd against him.  Allen created a hostile environment and he enjoyed every second of it.  Allen's racism shined that day, but Allen probably never thought at that time that it would see the light of day.  After all, he had gotten away with it for 30 years.

The fact that Allen got away with it for so many years including while he was governor and senator, probably created a false sense of grandiosity, leading him to think he could get away with pretty much anything, including his lies and then more lies to cover up the original lies.

Allen is now past a point-of-no-return.  It has snowballed to big.  And it is no longer just the racism.  It is also his Jewish heritage.  It is also his need to pathologically lie.  It is the fact that his sister said he was a bully.  And, his college classmates said he was a bully.

I am sure that Webb would like to discuss political issues and not have to hear about Allen's character.  But, the fact is, character matters and Allen is void in that area.

Candidates would prefer to win an election of their strengths.  Some candidates lose because of their weaknesses. 

It's over for Allen. 

Some people accept it sooner than others.

I went to Palos Verdes High School with George Allen. Ask him about the JJR (the Jesse James Revival) his un-official club where he claimed they beat up N's on Saturday nights. He kept a Dodger bat in his car with words "Nigger Knocker" written on it.For Homecoming 1967 he was saying in football practice the day before, N's going to paint the school tonight, I just know it. Sure enough, next day school painted with slurs aimed against whites (guess the ethnicity of the school we played, they won handily by the way!). He was originally expelled but reduced to suspension with agreement to pay to paint over the school. I've heard him speak N word many times in High School. Shelton is right this guy doesn't deserve to hold elected office. Ask the 1500 or so students, faculty, parents who were in Palos Verdes in 1969. I've made this post many places and waiting for media to contact me. I can verify this story with hundreds of people including his football coach at the time. I saw Coach recently at the store and we talked about the Homecoming incident.

-- thezudes

Link to Salon.com posting

will I be so lucky?

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Well people in the bloggistphere, I am hoping that this could be the beggining of the end to One Hell of a sad chapter in Virginia's history--I am picturing the German Tanks running out of gas in the Battle of the Bulge--it was over!!!!  Felix does have some hate earned money over the years and will begin his last ditch effort in his Battle of the Bulge--but he's getting close to empty too.

We can't count on winning the moderate vote; we have to DESTROY HIM with independents. Don't let up now.

42 days. Keep fighting.