Analysis of Davis v Hurst Debate

By: Ambivalent Mumblings
Published On: 9/20/2006 2:57:16 AM

Early this morning, I published a post that had the very rough notes I took during last nightGÇÖs debate held between Tom Davis and Andrew Hurst at the Fairfax County Government Center. Also, please note that a third party candidate, Ferdinando C. Greco, did participate. The debate was held in front of an overflow crowd, which most definitely seemed to tilt towards AndyGÇÖs side. And IGÇÖm not just saying that because I support Hurst. There were several big cheers after Andy made great points and, as Tom DavisGÇÖs supporters began leaving before the event was over, Hurst received several standing ovations. I suppose that is what happens when youGÇÖre an energetic candidate whose ideas are the most appropriate method to be used to point our country back in the right direction.

I also believe that the tone of the debate was set by the mere fact that Davis came rushing in at 7:57, which was after the introductory remarks were made. While he had a valid excuse for his tardiness GÇô there was a vote on the Hill GÇô he was unable to take the time to great his supporters. In fact, he also was extremely quick to leave after the debate was over and appeared to be in an extremely foul mood. I even heard a one person using a few choice words to describe his personality GÇô and this was a person who is neutral in the race.
Tom Davis, who was the second candidate to give his opening remarks, began by sarcastically thanking Andy for his kind words. He then began the process of attacking Andy Hurst by saying that he seems to align with the Democrats a lot. (Could that be why Andy Hurst is the Democratic nominee for Congress.) Davis carried this line of reasoning throughout the debate and tried to paint Andy as the politician who was simply trying to turn this into a partisan culture. As Andy Hurst pointed out to me after the debate, however, it is important to note that during his closing remarks, Davis was desperately trying to separate himself from President Bush. I believe Davis's desire to seperate himself from the president illustrates that even the Congressman himself realizes that he is too closely aligned with the Bush Administration --at least to close for him to easily get reelected, which is what he's trying to do right now.

I feel as though Davis gave off the impression of someone who was in a bad mood and couldnGÇÖt wait until the debate was over. Although he might have this attitude because he has been in Congress for twelve years and might, therefore, consider himself to be too important to attend any event that isn't paying him thousands of dollars -- in other words, there weren't any lobbyists paying him to attend the debate. It almost appeared as though Davis felt the debate was a complete waste of his timeand this attitude was extremely present when Greco was speaking.

Andy Hurst, however, appeared to be extremely respectful of GrecoGÇÖs presence. After the debate, in fact, Andy told me that he believed Greco was a stand up guy who had some good arguments. On one of the topics that Greco wasnGÇÖt too knowledgeable about, Andy even leaned over to pat the man on the back and offered Greco the opportunity look over his notes on the topic. Furthermore, Andy stated that it is important for the political process to ensure that all the voters are represented and that GrecoGÇÖs appearance in the debate helped to ensure that happened.

Jumping backwards a little bit, Andrew Hurst was the first candidate to give his opening remarks. He began by thanking everyone and then mentioned a very inappropriate comment Tom Davis made for an article published by the Examiner.

GÇ£IGÇÖm not going to respond to him, this guy is a goofball,GÇ¥ 11-District Rep. Tom Davis said Monday of his opponent, Democratic attorney Andrew Hurst. GÇ£HeGÇÖs never done a thing.GÇ¥
In my opinion, one of AndyGÇÖs many positive qualities is his down to earth attitude. Is he goofy, well maybe GÇô there are many people who could better tell you if he is or not. If he is, however, it would not be in the negative sense of the word, but merely that he is willing to joke around every now in then. (something it seems as though Davis could do a little more of) Furthermore, I think his energy is what is needed in the Halls of Congress if anything is actually to be accomplished. Furthermore, if Davis truly believed that he shouldnGÇÖt have to respond to Andy, why was he participating in a debate with him?

Andy also admitted that he hasnGÇÖt done many of the things that Davis has done. For instance, he proudly admitted that like many Northern Virginians, he wouldnGÇÖt support Bush 90% of the time. He continued by saying that as a Congressman, he also wouldnGÇÖt accept millions of dollars from PACS. In fact, Andy has refused to take any money from PACS during this election.

Unlike what Davis would like the voters to believe, Andy has had many professional and personal achievements during his life time. Some of the personal achievements Andy mentioned were that he was a good father and husband. I believe the simple fact that his family was there showed how supportive of his candidacy his family is. When one of his sons saw me taking notes, he even said that he hoped I supported his dad. Well, I think itGÇÖs safe to say that IGÇÖll be voting for Andrew Hurst on November 7.

Andy also pointed out that he has had a successful career as a lawyer with Reed Smith LLP. On December 3, 2005, in fact, the Bar Association of the District of Columbia awarded Hurst with the title of the Young Lawyer of the Year. This is extremely important to the campaign because it shows that Andy has been extremely successful in his professional life and itGÇÖs reasonable to assume that his success would continue during his political career. It is also worth noting that this is AndyGÇÖs first attempt at running for office. Therefore, if he is elected, Hurst will be able to bring fresh ideas into Congress.

Tom Davis, however, made the claim that Andy wouldnGÇÖt be able to accomplish many of the things that he did while in office. That completely ignores the fact that fresh ideas are needed in an institution that appears to have completely stalled in the War on Terror and has now put our country into a significant amount of debt. Tom Davis, however, would like to scare the voters into believing that new ideas are bad --kind of like how the Bush administration uses fear as a tool to win support for its plans.

If one were to argue that Davis is willing to listen to knew ideas, then a different explanation would obviously be needed in order to explain why Davis thinks Andy wouldnGÇÖt have the potential to get anything done in office. The only other obvious solution would be that Hurst wouldnGÇÖt be able to get anything done because he doesnGÇÖt receive funding from lobbyists and PACS. I would argue, however, that his unwillingness to accept money from lobbyists is a prime example of why he would be productive while serving in Congress. Hurst would be held accountable to the people instead of the lobbyists. Therefore, I suppose Davis was wrong yet again.

Furthermore, Davis is not only willing to accept money from lobbyists, but he has supported corrupt lawmakers. It is DavisGÇÖs connections to lobbyists that call into question whether or not Davis is loyal to the voters, or to special interest groups. As Greco would later point out, the Constitution of the United States of America starts out with the phrase, GÇ£We the people.GÇ¥ Therefore, the government must be held accountable to the people instead of special interest groups. DavisGÇÖs response was that he had 8,000 donors from this area and tried to attack Andy by saying that many of his donations came from other lawyers. (Which is probably because Andy has earned the respect of fellow lawyers and they know that he will do a good job.)

After the debate was over, Tom Davis appeared to try and get out of the building as soon as possible. Although it was tempting to ask why his campaign hadnGÇÖt responded to multiple emails I have sent, I simply decided to introduce myself to the Congressman and avoided addressing any particular issues. After all, he seemed to be in a hurry to get home.

Andy Hurst, however, stayed around to answer several questions of the people that attended the debate. In fact, even though he knew he already has my vote, he answered a few questions from me that will come up as I break down the debate further over the course of a few days.

I honestly think the behavior of the two men displays a lot about their values. Andy Hurst wants to make sure that he hears what people have to say and are interested in GÇô even if they are already in his boat. Tom Davis, however, would like to leave that type of work to his staff. However, that staff isnGÇÖt doing a very good job because I have yet to receive a response to emails I sent weeks ago.

Since there was a fair amount of information discussed, I will be analyzing the debate in several posts (not all right in a row, so those who arenGÇÖt in the 11th should still read). However, as I stated earlier, I have posted my rough notes from the evening.


Comments



Andy Hurst rocks! (Lowell - 9/20/2006 5:43:34 AM)
No doubt about it.  Tom Davis?  Eh, not so much.


COMMENT HIDDEN (blackamerican - 9/20/2006 12:00:01 PM)


good morning Lowell (kevinceckowski - 9/20/2006 6:40:14 AM)
my day off........

Love the headlines about Allen too.



Did not read your rough notes yet (kevinceckowski - 9/20/2006 6:49:27 AM)
but where does Andy stand on DC having taxation WITH Representation?  Will read your notes now over coffee.

It says a lot by the way that Davis was in a hurry and separating himself from Bush and making the picture that Hurst is NOT bi-partisan.  Davis has over the years tried to go down the middle of the road.  Something has happened however.  Rumor has it he wants to run for Senator Warner's seat when it opens in a year.



I was there, and it was awesome..... (bladerunner - 9/20/2006 7:57:32 AM)
Folks, Andy did what he had to do. He hit a grand slam. He got all his points across in a calm, cool and professional manner. Conversely Davis at times would ramble and ramble and his points went completely over everyone's head. Ambivalent mumblings observation on Davis demeanor was right--he had attitude written all over him--cocky like who are you? You're trying to take my seat away--how dare you peagan.

Also it's always funny to go to these events and see Davis's little zoot suit 20 somethings running around trying to make a career on Capitol Hill. And then you see the Dems running around rag tagged--as I told someone like the Polish underground during WWII blowing a bridge here, a bridge there, and then finally we win the battle.

I might add, save the 4 X 8 signs we matched them with signage(cool). One thing to always remember folks is that Republicans can not stand to be outsigned, so it's always fun to neutralize them there. Again Andy did us proud--Way to go Andy!!



Goofy? (Arturo - 9/20/2006 8:02:11 AM)
Andy Hurst is hardly "stupid" or "ridiculous" or "unintelligent", which is what goofy or goof ball means.  How much lower will these Repugs stoop? Andy has a good platform and Davis knows it.  Time for Davis to go.


Andy isn't "goofy" in the negative.... (Ambivalent Mumblings - 9/20/2006 8:34:16 AM)
..... sense of the word. I was simply saying that he's a down to earth guy who is willing to joke around a little bit.


Sorry for all the gramatical errors...... (Ambivalent Mumblings - 9/20/2006 8:31:37 AM)
.....but the diary was written extremely early in the morning.


I ran into Andy (Eric - 9/20/2006 9:13:24 AM)
this morning at the Metro.  He was in great spirits (as always) greeting the morning commuters and letting them know they have a reason to NOT vote for Davis this year.

Great job Andy. 

About the debate...

Honestly, from what I've seen of Davis I figured he'd be better in the debate.  Not that I particularly like him or his policies, but he's worked hard on that nice guy, centrist image, and I'm (pleasantly) surprised that he had such a poor showing in both respects.  Now maybe the rest of the 11th will start to catch on.



Andy is committed to hearing what people have to say.. (Ambivalent Mumblings - 9/20/2006 12:40:54 PM)
..which is why he would be out at the Metro early in the morning. Davis, on the other hand, was extremely quick about getting out of the Government Center last night.


Andy is at Metro stops 5-9am, 3 days a week (Andrea Chamblee - 9/21/2006 12:26:01 AM)
and he's knocked on every door in two or more precincts for weeks in a row.  Don't believe the Davis trolls who make up other info.  Davis, on the other hand, only just started canvassing for the first time in ten years... he must be polling!  He probably suspected that Andy was going to get all the standing ovations at the debates.  And he was finally right about something.  That only happens when he stops listening to George Bush!


Great Partisan take on debate! (4TheGipper - 9/20/2006 11:16:36 AM)
Kudos!


Still haven't read any (pitin - 9/20/2006 11:32:01 AM)
that says Davis won.  Not on the right or left blogosphere or the traditional media, it really seems you guys lost this one.


COMMENT HIDDEN (littlepunk - 9/20/2006 12:21:15 PM)


Now what does that tell you... (Ambivalent Mumblings - 9/20/2006 12:39:37 PM)
.....if Davis's supporters didn't show up to the event last night. Perhaps they don't feel as though he is worth taking the time to support. If they had a conflict then one could think that it is acceptable, but I highly doubt all of his supporters had a conflict at the same time.

Plus, if they truly believe that Davis is worth supporting why aren't they blogging in support of him or writing letters to the editor. I don't see any of that happening.



I went to TC and they are strangely silent ... (Andrea Chamblee - 9/21/2006 12:28:44 AM)
and they are big fans of Davis


Now think about that.. (Ambivalent Mumblings - 9/20/2006 5:53:14 PM)
...this is a progressive website. I wonder which way the posts are going to tilt.


For the record.... (4TheGipper - 9/20/2006 11:24:08 AM)
I am personally disappointed by your take on Tom's personality and character. This summer I canvassed 12 precinct for Tom and the majority of the folks (Republicans and Democrats) only had kind words.  Many remember that their kids went to school with his kids and that he is an involved parent.  Many pointed out that Tom is always at a community BBQs, parade and other events.  (even when it's not an elections year). 



You clearly were not at the debate (pitin - 9/20/2006 11:30:14 AM)
He was angry from his opening statement.  He seemed upset that he even had to debate "I'm Tom Davis, I love puppies, I've been here for 12 years, I'm running for Senate in '08, just leave me alone and vote for me." seemed to be his attitude last night.  His being at community BBQ's doesn't make him a good congressman


COMMENT HIDDEN (blackamerican - 9/20/2006 11:55:26 AM)


Have you looked at his website (Ambivalent Mumblings - 9/20/2006 12:36:25 PM)
If you look at Hurst's website he lays out his opinions on several topics and has detailed analysts of those opinions.


Politics is still all Local (4TheGipper - 9/20/2006 12:10:04 PM)
Despite the Hurst efforts toimpugn the shinanigans of DC on Tom, politics is still all local.  Come November, the only thing that voters will be asking themselves is what has my Congressman done for me?  The record is clear.  Tom has delivered time and time again to this area, even when he was on the Board of Supervisors.  No one can honestly question his ability to come through for his constituents.

Furthermore, BBQ, picnics are important because people trust people they can actually see and have access to.  Folks don't vote for the guy who doesn't come to there community...one of the first lessons in Campaigning 101.



A Good Congressman (blackamerican - 9/20/2006 12:59:20 PM)
What makes him a good congessman is the fact his constituents feel connected to him.  His constituents feel that their congressman is accessible and willing to listen to and hear their concerns.  A good congressman brings funding back his ditrict and state that projects that are important to his constituents and his state are able to be undertaken and completed.  A good congressman is someone who came reach across party lines and work out solutions to problems with others.  A congressman doesn't spend his time launching into partisan attacks on is opponent , but lets his record speak for him.  And finally, a good congressman is someone who attends community BBQ's so that his can continue to say in touch with his constituents.


Well stated! (4TheGipper - 9/20/2006 2:41:50 PM)


That's an interesting assessment (Eric - 9/20/2006 7:38:18 PM)
of a good congressman.  Not too bad IMHO.

Now then, don't parts of that assessment apply to other politicians?  Say, for instance, a U.S. Senator?  You know, reaching across party lines, not engaging in partisan attacks? 

So, if these are the qualities you want in the politicians representing you, I have to assume you won't be voting for George Allen.  Now you may not like Webb and not vote for him, but certainly you shouldn't vote for Allen because he doesn't meet your standards.  Good for you.



Resist the urge to reply to blackamerican (Andrea Chamblee - 9/21/2006 12:32:35 AM)
He's a troll who wants the blog to talk about somethng other than how Davis arrived late, so he could vote for naming a bridge or something, left early with his tail between his legs, and spent the time in the middle distracted, surly, and unsuccessfully defending George Bush.


Littlepunk, BA, and 4theGipper (Andrea Chamblee - 9/21/2006 12:48:26 AM)
in their troll-like fashion are not talking about the debate.  If Davis is so great, wrte your own diary on your own subject and leave this one to its topic.  You were at the debate or not, satisfied with his answers or not.  If you liked how Davis licked the BBQ sauce from his fingers on Labor day after he voted for Iraq and Medicare Part D and Paris Hilton tax breaks and no Bankruptcy relief for families with medical emergencies and balancing the budget on the backs of the poor, why don't you write that up in your own diary and keep to the topic?


Definitely trolls. (Lowell - 9/21/2006 5:44:29 AM)
Why don't they just talk about how great THEIR man did, about what HE said, about why HE would make a great Congressman?  Maybe because they don't have a leg to stand on?  Hmmmm.


How many of those people actually know Davis (Ambivalent Mumblings - 9/20/2006 11:43:52 AM)
If these people haven't actually met Davis, then it doesn't really matter what they think.


I've met the man several times.... (4TheGipper - 9/20/2006 11:56:25 AM)
Of all the elected officials out there, Tom takes the time to get to know you.  After he's seen you a couple of times, he recognizes you face.  After the third encounter, he usually learns your name.

I've attended a number of Davis/Hurst, Davis and Hurst  events (including the one in Mason District) and Tom has always taken the time speak to with all the attendees.  On the other hand, Hurst had very few people approach him.



I have sent 4 emails and still no response (Ambivalent Mumblings - 9/20/2006 12:34:48 PM)
I hate to break it to you, but Davis is HORRIBLE about getting back to people. I have sent four emails into his campaign and I have yet to receive a single response. Now this is most definitely not a Republican thing because Senator John Warner sent me a snail mail letter within about a week of receiving an email from me. I even cc'd Warner on another letter I sent to a Democratic politician, and Warner took the time to send me a response. Davis, who was also cc'd on that letter, did not send me a response either through email or snail mail.

Andy Hurst on the other hand, has taken the time to get to know his supporters. You talk of name recognition, Andy remembered my name after the very first time we met. Not only that, but he remembered the exact event that I had originally met him at. I introduced myself to Davis last night, so let's see if he remembers me the next time I have the chance to meet him.



I want a Congressman who sends Americans to Iraq (Andrea Chamblee - 9/21/2006 12:34:35 AM)
and remembers my name.  Oh, and lets OBL get away.  And pisses away billions of dollars while he lines his pockets with PAC money from Abramoff and his ilk.  The name thing is the clincher!


Why was Davis late? (Andrea Chamblee - 9/20/2006 11:32:26 AM)
He had to vote against Cancer and Repression, and for veterans (as long as it don't cost them nothin'.
9/19/06 Passed Roll call 453: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree Condemning the Repression of the Iranian Baha’I Community and Calling for the Emancipation of Iranian Baha’is
9/19/06 Passed Roll call 452: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree, As Amended To Recognize and Honor the Filipino World War II Veterans for Their Defense of Democratic Ideals and Their Important Contributions to the Outcome of World War Ii
9/19/06 Passed Roll call 451: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree, As Amended Supporting the Goal of Eliminating Suffering and Death Due to Cancer by the Year 2015


You can't win... (littlepunk - 9/20/2006 12:16:57 PM)
...either way.  If you miss the vote, you get harrassed for missing a vote, let alone missing a vote to "campaign."  If you show up late, it's because you're scared even though you're performing the job you were elected to do.  It's a no-win situation for somebody in that position.  I think it turned out fine.  He didn't miss anything, and he was there for the votes.


Davis Supporters go on the defensive (Ambivalent Mumblings - 9/20/2006 12:28:51 PM)
Wow....... it does seem like Davis's supporters are having to defend him an awful lot. If he truly was doing things for the community they wouldn't have to constantly be defending his record.


COMMENT HIDDEN (blackamerican - 9/20/2006 12:41:39 PM)


Yeah, right! (Lowell - 9/20/2006 1:00:29 PM)
"[Davis]' record stands on its own."  Yeah, it sure does!  Let's see, we've got cronyism.  We've got corruption. We've got a voting record (90% with Bush) that is wildly out of step with his district.  We've got no ability (or desire) to use his seniority to get a tunnel built in Tysons.  Great stuff!! :)

*"Hurst has not giving [sic] the voters anything of substance."  Oh, puh-leeze, be serious.  You know as well as I do that Hurst has given the voters a great deal of substance, and that the ONLY reason they haven't all heard about that substance is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.  And that, of course, is the result of Davis' advantages as an incumbent.  Hey, I could have sworn that Davis had agreed to term limits back in 1994, what ever happened with that?!?

*"...real solutions for the issues that are important to them."  That's exactly what Andy Hurst offers, and Tom Davis does NOT offer.  Unless you like the aforementioned cronyism and corruption, that is.



COMMENT HIDDEN (littlepunk - 9/20/2006 2:13:39 PM)


COMMENT HIDDEN (blackamerican - 9/20/2006 2:46:11 PM)


Davis apologists abound! (Henry M - 9/20/2006 4:17:01 PM)
Davis must be truly worried about this election otherwise why would he bother having these stalking horses rush to his defense? 

And what exactly is that defense?  That electing Hurst means "forsaking the senority and leadership of Davis"?  Since when has Davis been a leader?  He has ignored the rights of indivduals by wasting committee (and taxpayer) time and resources to subpoena Terry Schiavo's doctors on an issue over which Congress has no authority to intervene, he has failed to engage in any oversight functions with his committee either of Congress and the rampant abuses that are occurring or the administration on how it is fighting the Iraq war (he boasted on television that his Committee has only issued 2 subpoenas under his stewardship - the only instance being when he decided to confront the national scourge of steroids in baseball) and he has failed the nation by supporting Bush 90% of the time. 

Is that the definition of leadership and seniority that is so valuable to the 11th District? 



Don't forget, when his party is no longer in the majority (Andrea Chamblee - 9/21/2006 12:39:57 AM)
revenge will be sweet!  Waxman and the Dems on the reform committee have 15 investigations on their waiting list, and most of them involve Davis donors.  Could that be why Davis stalls investigations into the waste of the country's money?