Thank You Michelle Malkin...Now Do More!

By: Lowell
Published On: 7/10/2005 1:00:00 AM

Over the past few days, as I have documented here, the right-wing blogosphere went into a frenzy on the London terrorist attacks, calling for rounding up Muslims, taking Muslim children away from their parents, expelling them from the country, killing them, and declaring war on their home countries (or simply other Muslim countries like Iran).  Oh yeah, let's not forget their claims that liberals are traitors on the same side as the terrorists. 

Sad to say, Michelle Malkin, one of the most popular conservative bloggers, has linked to some of the most egregious of these blogs, like Little Green Footballs for example.  Now, even Malkin has had it with the hate rhetoric, it would appear.  Here's what she has to say:

Lefty blog MyDD calls attention to inflammatory rhetoric on the right, which I absolutely and unequivocally condemn. It's one thing to try and make a rational case for national security profiling, immigration enforcement, and vigorous prosecution of the war on radical Islam. It's quite another to spew dumb and vile bumper-sticker slogans about wanting to kill all Muslims and take away their children. That is unhinged. Knock it off, people....reacting to the London bombings by calling for all Muslims to be killed and Muslims' children to be taken away from them is nuts and never excusable.

Alright, well, it's certainly great to see Michelle Malkin condemning the extreme right wing of her party, but in my opinion she and other conservatives need to go a lot further.  Instead of just condemning these people once in a blue moon, the Michelle Malkins (the sane conservatives) of the world need to make it absolutely clear that bigotry, hatred, calls for "nuking" people, and allegations that liberals are "traitors" and "on the side of the terrorists" are completely out of bounds.  They need to do what Markos of DailyKos has done recently - purge the conspiracy wackos (in Markos' case) and hate-mongers (in Michelle Malkin's case) from their midst.  Remove any and all links to their sites.  Have nothing to do with them. Ostracize them.  Then, let them crawl back under whatever rock they crawled out from in the first place.

Look, I am a progressive/moderate but I recognize that conservatism, as espoused by serious people like Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, is a powerful, legitimate, serious philosphy of government and of life.  I also recognize full well that hate-filled people and groups exist on BOTH the left and the right.  The thing is, Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater were successful in large part because they offered a POSITIVE, sunny, optimistic, expansive, inclusive vision of conservativism to the world.  In contrast, people like Pat Buchanan, Tom DeLay, and the Kilgores/Bollings/McDonnells of the world, offer a divisive, backwards-looking, narrow, ossified, pinched version of conservatism.  Even worse, we have the conservative blogosphere, which goes further still, entering into David Duke territory. 

The question is, will mainstream conservatives - bloggers, politicians, ordinary citizens -  condemn the extremists who are tarnishing the Grand Old Party, the party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan?  I certainly would hope so, but I haven't seen much of it yet.  Michelle Malkin has made a small (but good) start; now she and others on her "side" need to do more.  I would remind the vast majority of conservatives, who undoubtedly are good people, of the saying, "evil flourishes when good people do nothing."  Don't let evil flourish.


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Most People can't de (Bob Hogan - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Most People can't deal with right-wing radicals because to simply put their agenda in terms, they try to dictate life with their "march to the king beat" and it has nothing to do with being conservertive, I can't even put a name on it, but it's like agree with the King's every gesture and thought or idea or be ex-comunicated from the King's Club. I want a say in Government and my life and how my taxes deducted from paycheck are spent. I want a State Referendum by Popular vote on hot shock taboo issues such as Gay Marriage or Gun Control. I want the citizens opinion on issues not just in the feedback section of the newspaper but at the voting boothes. I want to improve voting with reciepts like a AMT machine. I want a voter control pin number, so I can vote online. I want Citizen Democracy, I scream for Citizen Democracy, I demand Citizen Democracy, no election should be bought by the highest bidder. I want Virginia to be the first state to issue voter control pin numbers to vote on-line. I want Janet Reno as our next Supreme Court Justice. 


Lowell, I'm mad abou (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Lowell, I'm mad about this. 

What about my ego? 

Other people think I am NLS!!!!!!!!

Obviously you don't think it could be me.  :(  At least include something like "other than the oversized ego, NLS could certainly be Ben".

haha



To add a bit more le (Genevieve - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
To add a bit more levity to this discussion,  I might add that it's not like there were no homosexuals back in the day. ;) Let's see, we've got:

James Buchanan (who was thought to be in a relationship with his VP)

Abe Lincoln was thought to be bi-sexual from some letters sent back and forth b/t an old roommate and himself.

Eleanor Roosevelt was supposedy carrrying on an affair with a female associated press reporter

Now, who's lived in Washington too long? *points at self*



I went to the Kilgor (Bob Hogan - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
I went to the Kilgore Campaign Desk and told them I don't believe in Gay Marriage but do believe in a woman rights to choose abortion to her own body but don't believe in Corporation Welfare, can I still vote for Kilgore, the lady said she would have to check with the Corporate Welfare Lobby and The Moral Committee, she came back and said, NO, I'm sorry it's a package deal. I then went over to the Kaine Campaign Desk and before I could hardly speak, the Lady at the desk pointed to a sign that said, Tim Kaine don't dictate Moral Issues, Please discuss these issues with your Religious Clergy. I then asked about how my tax revenus are going to be spent, and the lady gave me detailed plan. The Democrat Party is open to All Americans regardless of private beliefs on moral issues, we talk only money and how that money will be spent, to be honest we don't time for moral issues, We are very busy. PLease Visit your Religious Clergy for Moral Issues. 


Pastor John, I think (Bob Hogan - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Pastor John, I think the founding fathers took government a bit more serious than today's politicians who ponder life's deep thoughts of Gays and Lesbians lifestyle and abortion while US Soldiers are being killed everyday overseas away from their homeland and Country. The Founding Fathers always claimed that they were only a proxy for the citizens opinions and ideals. THe founding Fathers believed in separation of Church and State because The Religious Body was as big as Government itself at the time. Pastor John without immigrants America would be a Third World Country living in the stoneage. Immigrants built America and everthing in America from electricity to the Atomic Bomb to modern medicine. Paster John small minds are a easy vote for the Republican Candidates who set their fishing lines with a light drag and bait their campaign hooks with taboo shock bait of moral issues only to feel small minds nibble at the bait and it's jerk and reel and it's another sucker fish in the Republican Cooler. Remember Pastor John, the republican package deal for your vote is like a new car package deal meaning it can't be busted-up,Endorsing Republican Moral Issues also endorses Corporation Welfare with your taxes, it's a packaged deal and you can't separate the package. Come on over to the Democrat side of the fence Pastor John, we give you the citizen the right and freedom to seperate Church Moral Issues from Financial Issues of spending your tax revenues. Ours is not a package deal, Your Moral Beliefs is your Constituional right and not our government business, Spending Tax revenues deducted from your check is our business and your business. 


the founding fathers (Pastor John - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
the founding fathers would not recognize america today with it's homosexuals, freemasons, kleptomaniacs, and especially the large number of immigrants. the founding fathers loathed immigration and the first flag betsy ross designed actually had a picture of a decapitated portaguese man.


"Duncan is a level-3 (Disgusted and disappointed - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
"Duncan is a level-3 sex offender from two states. He was released from prison in 1994 after serving 14 years for the rape of a 14-year-old Tacoma, Wash., boy in 1980. Level 3 means authorities believe he is likely to re-offend."

That quote is from another news source, but it outrages me...why in the h*ll would authorities release someone who they believed likely to reoffend?

Isn't part of the law's responsibility to be certain that someone is safe before releasing them back into society?

A known sex offender moved back into the last neighborhood I lived in. He liked little boys. I don't have children, but how do you think the mother of a four year old son felt about him moving next door to her family? What, are people supposed to just pick up and move when one of these pieces of sh*t move in?

Also, a known sex offender lived in my neighborhood when I was a girl. Everyone said, "He's crazy." But you know what? He'd pull up along side the curb where you were walking and say "Hey, baby...you 18 yet?" That's not crazy. Crazy people don't know the law. That guy was a sick bastard who knew EXACTLY what he was doing.

And this Duncan guy knew exactly what he was doing to. Over and over again.

I am not for capital punishment, but it would be interesting to make an example out of one of these "individuals" and see how erotic child molestation seems to sex offenders afterward...



Blog entries can be (Lostinlimaohio - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Blog entries can be seen from 2004 up to may of 2005- just three days before the tragic ordeal started. Just look at www.fifthnail.blogspot.com. Although his actual web site with mission statement is down, Way Back Web Archive can still take you there.
As to if anyone was reading it BEFORE American learned who this was. Amazing yes there where some. He in fact had a small gathering of fans and friends that read it. Sick eww?
Been blogging myself on this animal (www.lostinlimaohio.blogspot.com)- and to save everyone the time of reading his bull... it's him defending himself for being him. Justifing his horrifing behavior and blaming the justice system. He compares himself to Jews, African Americans, and others. Due to what he calls "sanctioned discrimination".
Sorry sex offenders should have a one way ticket to hell... and with the help of the state should get there fast.


Death it should be n (thquah - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Death it should be no other way if he is guilty.Imagine it happening to your family members.

This type of ppl don't deserve to live as he still can blog about it.



i am a survivor of s (teri - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
i am a survivor of sexual child abuse. i understand the victim and what motivates the abuser. help the victim as soon as possible so they may not themselves become the abuser.

that said, no matter what this man suffered as a child, or an adult, does not excuse his acts. he's blamed everyone but himself. if he is found guilty of the murders and any sexual abuse he should die...period. we can blame people, society, parents, abusers, economy, the war, the weather, even god, but that is all crap. *we* are responsible for our own actions, we are the ones who have the power over ourselves and make the final call. it is *his* fault, no one else's, and he should burn for it.

i have empathy for all people, but as a survivor of abuse, i say remove him from this earth and let god sort it out. if he is guilty, i'd gladly kill him myself.



Since you've already (platypus - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Since you've already decided that this guy is guilty, it appears that there's no purpose in having a trial.


People often Wonder, (Bob Hogan - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
People often Wonder, How would the Democrats manage the Global War on Terror? The Democrats will manage the Global War on Terror the same as they will manage the Palestine-Israeli Conflict and this is a managed organization first and second Internationalize both with an Organized Hedquarters and Websites on Progress and honesty. The Saudi Arabia Government Government invited the World to organize an International Terror Tracking Center under INTERPOL, so the average citizen could go to the Terror Tracking Center and website and monitor the War by each each corner of the Globe and view that countries most wanted list in that corner and also our global success on breaking up the terror gangs worldwide. THe Bush Cabinet said, they would keep the citizens informed through pep talks and propaganda media without other countries inputs. More isolation from the Bush Cabinet in a State Controlled Media Forum. There was a chance when President Putin of Russia said the Palestine-Israeli Conflict should be Internationalized but again the Bush Cabinet ignored this chance and stuck to it's isolation policy once again. Folks we have need to cut the Republican isolation Policy overseas and reverse Iraqi Business Policy and open Oil Markets in Iraq to include Russia and China Companies to bring and end to the conflict because sooner or later the Russian and China diplomats will offer the Iraqi government a sweetheart deal that could put pressure on Syria and Iran to end the conflict, something Dick Cheney and his Oil Contract Isolation Policy of Prolonging the War cannot do. 


Yes, this article is (Paul Park - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Yes, this article is on point and I hope Portland can serve as a great example to the east coast and to the nation as a whole.


Dan Kachur, >Dea (Luke - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Dan Kachur,
>Death is the easy way out for Duncan. Much
>worse would be making license plates for
>the rest of his life knowing he will never
>get out.

Evidently you never saw Richard Speck's prison video?
http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/speck.html



You are certainly ju (Ohara - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
You are certainly jumping to a lot of conclusions. Why not wait to convict him until we know the story?
This is a highly intelligent man with outstanding academic acheivements. He could have been saved and become an asset to any community. Just think what mental health care could have done for him and others like him.
We are seeing the backlash of registration. As these offenders are pushed further from society they sometimes become dangerous. By continuing to make these laws harsher we are creating monsters.
There are more than 500,000 registered sex offenders who are being made to pay for crimes they had nothing to do with.
By now everyone in this country should clearly see that registration prevents nothing. The entire thing could be brought down if all offenders just refused to register and our nation would be better off without it. Sure, some would go to prison but there is an increasing number of those who are deciding it is worth it. How much blood must run before our American citizrns see that we are on the wrong track? The power to punish is not something that ordinary citizens should have. It takes a much bigger person to forgive and lend a helping hand and fix those minds that need repair. I look forward to the return of common sense.
No, I am not a sex offender. I am a victim of sexual abuse. Do not try to use me, and thousands of others like me, to justify your actions. People such as you frighten me far more than a sex offender. The constant rape of sex offenders by politicians  doing your bidding makes you the greatest Predator of all. You rape the offenders and the constitution on which our nation was built. If you are unhappy with the civil rights to which every American is entitled I suggest you leave. If you decide to stay you should put your r efforts into uniting, rather than dividing our country.Discard that cloak of outrage and become a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It is your duty as an American.
Ohara


Lowell... reasons to (Dan Kachur - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Lowell... reasons to lock him up for life instead of execution (assuming he is found guilty):

1) Life inprisonment without the possibility of parole is actually cheaper than the death penalty (the penalty phase of the trial is crazy expensive).
2) Death is the easy way out for Duncan. Much worse would be making license plates for the rest of his life knowing he will never get out.

And for the death penalty in general:
1) As long as it is still possible for an innocent person to be executed, the practice should be stopped. Recent developments make the need for an immediate moratorium abundantly clear.
2) Thou shalt not kill, not even the State. I can see warfare as a viable option... killing in order to serve a greater good. But, a prisoner stuck in jail for life serves no more danger to the public than a dead one.



a new National one s (m west - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
a new National one strike law was needed before he perped the first time 

tall tree........ short rope

if hes found guity...he should  be externinated on prime time pay per veiw



Sex at gunpoint mak (Nicole - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Sex at gunpoint makes you a  sex offending, perverted bully. 42 years old having sex with children you are the same. You deserve all of the pain and suffering you get. Sex offenders deserve no mercy. people who molest children do not get better they should be sent out to  a walled camp in the woods where they can sodomize each other(.Of course that would not appeal to them).These people are so incredibly nasty.  I do not advocate the death penalty however I would shed no tears at the death of one who molests ans kills children.  I am sick of them


"First, how the he (Maxwell - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)

"First, how the hell can there be people like this in the world running around, blogging freely about their (evil/sick) intentions without getting caught?"

The police can't do anything about evil intentions.  The most they could do is follow him and arrest him AFTER he carried out those intentions.  Just another reason for normal law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons.

"Second, my views about the death penalty are once again being challenged severely, as they were a few days ago with the capture of the ?BTK? killer. What is the point of keeping people like this alive in jail? Is death a suitable punishment, or is that not even bad enough for people like this?"

My death penalty opinion has faltered because of the numbers of innocent people on death row, but I am 100% pro death penalty for cases like this.  However, if you just want to torment an obviously insane person for his insane actions, a supermax prison will definitely do it.  People criticize Guantanamo Bay, but they don't have anything on a supermax prison.  Hell, zoos aren't even allowed to confine animals like that.  Supermax prisoners usually go insane from the isolation, and the cool thing is that they aren't even given an opportunity to end their suffering.

So, I guess it depends on whether you just want to put a little chlorine in the gene pool, or if you would simply feel better by torturing a defective animal for the rest of its natural life.



Ohara, Some pedop (Maxwell - 4/4/2006 11:27:10 PM)
Ohara,

Some pedophiles will admit that they can't be cured.  They only pretend to be cured.  They can curb their actions, but the appetite will always be there.  Gays can pretend to be straight, but the appetite will always be there.  Before you automatically assume I am equating pedophelia with homosexuality, let me say that I love Asian women.  I have dated other nationalities and races and enjoyed their company very much, but even if I have a hundred beautiful blonde haired blue eyed women, I will still have this appetite.  I can't explain it, and I can't be cured.  If you make it illegal, I will hide my urges as much as possible, but when I think nobody's looking, and I think can get away with it, I'm gonna satisfy my hunger.



I think it is a reac (carrie - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
I think it is a reaction against what liberals (me included) see as the spinelessness of so many Dem members of congress since the DLC took over control of the party, and the fact that we are losing ground each election.

To me, you start with your position first, then try to find common ground or tradeoffs.  And triangulation is not a core belief.



[Aside] "But he r (J from VJ - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
[Aside]

"But he ran on a middle tax/lower class tax increase."

Oh come on. He argued for returning the tax structure back to what it was under Clinton given changing economic conditions (helllooooo deficits!) and the fact that we're at war.  In other words, he (partially) ran on reversing Bush's foolish fiscal policies. 

If fiscal responsibility and managing a budget responsibly now gets someone tagged as "liberal" we're in even more trouble than I thought.

[/Aside]



As my hero Ronald Re (Matman - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
As my hero Ronald Reagan once said, ?There they go again.?  ROASS cannot restrain himself from personal attacks and name-calling.  He writes like he has a personal vendetta towards the Kilgores rather than indicating a desire to elect a new delegate for political reasons.  Does he really believe that schoolyard attacks on a candidate have the impact of persuasion?  I believe it has the opposite affect.  As to discussing the issues, the primary issue addressed by him is the  ?anything but the Kilgores? issue.  He needs to take the blinders off and read a little history to find out all that Delegate Kilgore has achieved for the 1st District.  If he doesn?t think so, he should say specifically what it is to which he disagrees, or would do differently.  Is he that insecure with the Democrat platform that he will not articulate it?  All he has done is whine about solely local issues that have little to do with the major issues facing our area by our State politicians.  He cites his hard feelings about absentee balloting in Scott County, out-of-context references by a former mayor of Gate City, suggestions of nepotism, etc.  Is that all that is of concern?  The people of southwest VA are more sophisticated than ROASS would believe and in no way will be swayed by such gibberish.  The public would be better served if the McCarty supporters would discuss IMPORTANT issues up front and honestly.  The McCarty campaign does not need a debate to iterate his platform.  There are many forums available.  Let?s hear what the Democrats have to offer.  I suspect there will be lots of emotional filibustering and very little new substance.  I also suggest that before maligning the opposition with slanderous rhetoric, McCarty supporters take a good look in the mirror.  Their integrity is really suspect, and their tactics to intimidate are very transparent.  I expect that such actions will lead to fewer votes for McCarty, not more votes.  The first rule of politics is that voters have to have positive reasons to vote for a candidate.  They will not vote against the opposition just to satisfy someone?s personal vendetta against his family.  McCarty supporters all need to act like adults, stop the schoolyard name-calling and stick to the important issues facing the 1st District voters.  Over and out.


This is typical libe (Matman - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
This is typical liberal Democrat dribble.  To begin with the underlying premise, that the Kilgores are arrogant and must be feared, is totally nonsensical.  The writer obviously has no political issues to discuss, and therefore has resorted to name-calling and personal attacks.  That says a lot about the Democrat philosophy and approach to politics, e.g., gain power at any cost.  I have nothing personal against Mr. McCarty, but I have to question his judgment and ethics if he in fact endorsed this irresponsible diatribe.  And I wonder why he feels that it is so important to emphasize that he ?has no fear of the Kilgores.?  Generally, when someone goes out of there way to make such a declarative statement, the opposite is often the case, and they are trying to convince their supporters otherwise.  I don?t know what Mr. McCarty?s true perception is, but,  I suspect he is more secure in himself than sinking to that level.  Notwithstanding,  I submit that the persons who do subscribe to Lowell?s vicious personal attack approach ought to be ashamed for pushing their candidate into the gutter,  and they certainly do not represent the moral values and high standards of the people of southwest Virginia.  To unabashedly slander a candidate?s family doesn?t take a lot of courage and represents the tactics of cowards.  I think the McCarty campaign has a right to run and to present their platform for the future.  But they do not have a right to slander good moral people.  I know that the voters of southwest Virginia will see through the charade perpetrated by the Delegate Kilgore?s Democrat opponents and he will be returned to Richmond to continue serving the people of the 1st District.  Lowell?s obsession with the success of the Kilgore family is nothing short of pure jealousy.  His persuasion using personal attacks clearly shows his ambivalence to the real political issues facing the county and our State government.  All through his monotonous diatribe he reflects one theme, i.e., I hate the evil Kilgores.  He uses the standard mantra of the Democrat party, us verses them class warfare rhetoric.  We need to get beyond that if we want conditions in southwest Virginia to improve.  What we really need is a cohesive approach to planning the future.  We need more self-reliance and entrepreneurial support. We need to keep taxes low and grow the economy.  We need better, but more efficient schools.  We need to decrease dependence on the government.  Terry Kilgore supports policies to achieve these things, and he has been very successful in pushing the House of Delegates towards these goals in the face of tremendous odds.  His seniority in the State House of Delegates is critical to fending off the overwhelming forces of big voting blocks of northern Virginia and Richmond area delegates.  As well intended as Mr. McCarty might be, he would be starting from the beginning in forging necessary alliances among delegates.  We don?t need a new [junior] representative to be our 1st District Delegate.  Terry Kilgore is the clearly the best choice for the job.


I have to second all (Roy Jessee - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
I have to second all of those comments about Rex McCarty not being mean and nasty or running a negative campaign.

I have known Rex for over ten years and he is one of the nicest people one could ever hope to meet.

I have to be honest and say that I have known Terry Kilgore for longer, and he is not mean or nasty either.  I think that sometimes he gets lambasted for ambitions which reside in places other than in his heart and soul.

The bottom line is that Rex McCarty is a really good guy, and, also, Terry should not be painted with the political ambition brush which has often been placed on him.  This will be a good campaign between two good guys.  I think that Rex is talking about some very important issues, some of which Terry has neglected to address.  I think that timing and the events of Scott County politics bode well for Rex.  Also, he has some new and innovative ideas which might catch on.  The " bottom line"is that this race will be too close to call.  We will have to wait and see how things develop.  If Rex keeps doing what he is doing then I think that the political atomosphere is right for him to pull out a big victory.

Truth center here:  Rex is not Satan and Terry is neither Satan nor his spawn.  Rex is right on the issues and is hitting on some cylinders which Terry has missed.  Hmmm  close one...probably too close to call now....

RMJ



I went with a friend (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
I went with a friend of mine to his announcement tour in early June at Valley Institute, and it certainly wasn't nasty.  It was really very positive.  Kind of John Edwards/Barack Obama with a bite to it.  He will have to put up one heck of a fight to do it, and TK will likely start getting statewide help if and when it gets close.
I met TK once, and, not knowing I was on the other side, he began talking about his brother.  "He's a forest guy, I focus on the trees."  So maybe that means he'll be focusing on all the little things like helping his momma, and miss the big picture that he could be in trouble.  Bush isn't exactly as popular as he was in 2004 here because of the war and the economy (and in senior citizens groups, the lack of proper V.A. funding), so Bush could adversly affect TK.


I don't understand w (Rat - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
I don't understand why anyone would FEAR the Kilgore's in the first place.  Would someone please answer that question for me?!  He must FEAR something for that to be an issue. I HAVE NEVER EVER heard of any other political canidate saying that they don't "FEAR" the opponent.  The voters don't want to think that one side FEARS the other. We all just want a clean, informative campaign.

Now, the color issue, how crazy is that?!!!! I really feel sorry for Rex that he doesn't like his colors, (who picked them for ya Rex?) that he feels so strong about Terry's that he has to wear them....Orange and blue. Wait I was at the Big Stone Gap, 4th of July parade and if my memory is not letting me down here, REX DID NOT HAVE ON Terry's colors that day. What happened...did he have fear that day!!!??? And he just doesn't have fear today, right?

I have to agree with Susan ....your NOT winning any votes here guys. Give us, the VOTERS what we expect a clean, honest, and INFORMATIVE campaign. 



Neal, Nice to see (Jeremy - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
Neal,

Nice to see a fellow SWVA'ner around here.  I will have to start checking out your blog. 

Susan,

I have no idea what you are talking about.  Rex is anything but nasty or bitter.  Can you point to some examples? 



I live just outside (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
I live just outside Washington County (Bristol City) and I'll go ahead and say this'll be a close race.  52-48 or 55-45 either way and it will teeter back and forth.  If Kaine starts beating Jerry in places, and Bush keeps going down in the polls, I can see an upset...


Interesting comment (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
Interesting comment Susan.  In what way nasty? Is McCarty simply teling the truth about the Kilgores and it sounds nasty? I really want to know.


I have read no real (The Homeplace Spectator - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
I have read no real facts in this blog to inform anyone of how the Kilgore's have left a legacy of fear. Anyone?? Hello.... can anyone just back up Rex's statements with some concrete facts?


Indeed there are pro (Hal Schwartz - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
Indeed there are progressive Christians, and, in case you did not already know, there exists an organization for them, The Interfaith Alliance.  Well, actually, TIA is not all Christian, but its beginnings were a group of Christians who felt their faith was being hijacked by the right and wanted to point out that the right did not speak for all Christians.  All faiths are now included in TIA, but it is still headed by a Christian, Rev. Welton Gaddy.  I try to plug it as much as I can, since the "Christian" Coalition seems to get most of the press....  www.interfaithalliance.org, in case anyone is interested....



I'm a little disappo (Susan - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
I'm a little disappointed in Rex's nasty, bitter campaign.  He has turned into a disappointing candidate.  Unfortunately, I don't see him getting more than 25%-35% in this race.  I'm a diehard "D" but, unlike some of the folks who routinely post here, I am a realist.


From what I heard, t (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
From what I heard, there was great turnout for all of the Democratic candidates in NOVA parades and firework shows!!!


There certainly are (Catherine Mc - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
There certainly are very many progressive Christians.  I belong to a church full of them.  Our pastor's sermon this past Sunday dealt with what the 4th of July really should mean.  He ended his sermon by stating that "God Bless America" is a bit myopic...and we should really revise that to "God Bless the World".  He also strongly stated that only the Lord has the answers.....not George W. Bush or any other leader. 

Of course, I gave my pastor the book that all Christians should read....."God's Politics" by James Wallis.  A great read that provides a perspective on such things as "God loving a Cheerful Giver" and other important matters of what being a Christian is really all about.  My understanding is that Wes Clark has it in his briefcase. 



Yes he may be a C (Vince Thomas - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
  Yes he may be a Christian, who is against the saying of the Pledge of Allegience, but he is no true "right winger". It angers me how sites such as this place people like Edward Myers on pedestals. He sues endlessly, wasting the taxpayers money, and places stickers of an American flag burning on school bus. These acts are not needed to make a point, and only anger patriotic conservative's such as myself.This case is NOT destined to end up in the Supreme Court, considering it has already been rejected numerous times by them, and they have already within the past two years made a ruling that it is legal to say Under God. Thank god the court is not THAT liberal.


"Of course, I gave m (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
"Of course, I gave my pastor the book that all Christians should read?..?God?s Politics? by James Wallis. A great read that provides a perspective on such things as ?God loving a Cheerful Giver? and other important matters of what being a Christian is really all about. My understanding is that Wes Clark has it in his briefcase."

I've just finished that book and a review will be on my website soon. I have to admit that it has made me reconsider actively going to church to see what good I can do for people religiously.  If a serious Democrat would go with it's message, they could win the 2008 Presidential race and most southern state seats.



The National Journal (Alice Marshall - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
The National Journal's view of divisive and left-liberal is any Democrat who fights back. Their idea of moderate is a Democrat who knows their place.

I don't think we should get our advice from the National Journal.



Hal - agreed. (Paul - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)


Honestly, I don't th (Jim E-H - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
Honestly, I don't think you'd get nearly as much pressure to fight from the liberal wing if we saw any compromises from Republicans that were actually compromises.  On the national level, we're dealing with Republicans who have no compunction about reneging on substance of the deal once they've gotten the veneer of bipartisanship (No Child Left Behind being a classic example.)  They abuse the conference committee process such that any provision may be altered, even ones that received a majority in both houses.  And finally, they declare any compromise to be the new Democratic starting point, and any further compromises must be between that position and the original conservative position.  When you're dealing with people who've repeatedly and demonstrably negotiated in bad faith and with contempt for the rules, what can possibly be gained by trying to make deals with them?  Lieberman is treated with derision because his compromises gain stature for him personallly, but gain nothing for the Democrats or their supporters.

As true as that is on the national level, I think the article is seriously misunderstanding Kos and MoveOn and such overall.  They're *partisan*, but not nearly as ideological as the people on the other side that the National Journal equates them with.  In places like Virginia, where there are still reasonable Republicans who respect the rules and bargain in good faith, I doubt there are many in those groups who would criticize compromises made in that spirit.  Similarly, I'd expect Mark Warner could garner considerable support there without any change in his political positions (remember, Dean was not particularly liberal.)



Yep. Good times. (Paul - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)


I agree with Raising (Hal Schwartz - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
I agree with RaisingKaine on this one.  Divisiveness is not a good idea, although I can understand the sentiment.  As you noted, Clinton was the last big Democratic winner, and I believe that if we want to win, we must reach out to the center, which is where most Americans live.  Not only would we win this way, but it is indeed the best way for America.  As Republicans get more and more extreme, they will likely alienate more and more mainstream voters.  We can pick up those voters, UNLESS we go the polarization route that the Republicans are going.  By becoming extreme and "confrontation-philic", we ensure that we don't get moderate votes, either.  The result will be more wins for Republicans and a general electorate fed-up and pessimistic about both parties.  We must take the high road rather than dropping to "their" level.  A moderate Democrat can make Bush-type Republicans look crazy.  A far-left Democrat just looks like a mirror image of them.


Dean wasn't liberal (Paul - 4/4/2006 11:27:11 PM)
Dean wasn't liberal as a governor. But he ran on a middle tax/lower class tax increase.


Spanking the Monkey? (the blue dog - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Spanking the Monkey? Oh my! That's not good.

~ the blue dog



Thanks for the "warm (Todd Grannis - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Thanks for the "warm" comments.  =)

Here's a link to the play by play:

www.humantorchproposal.com



Thanks for this post (J from VJ - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Thanks for this post - hopefully someone high enough up in the campaign who's not a monkey will heed it. (Coincidentally, I'd been starting to get a bad sense about the campaign and had been thinking of posting something here about it to see whether I was missing something..)

I've been increasingly uncomfortable/disappointed with the campaign over the last weeks and months, and I haven't even been following it that closely (albeit I'm a bit of a political junkie, so following it more closely than the average voter, I guess) - I'm just getting a disinterested and 'removed' vibe.

I've gotten a couple of invitations for $500+ gatherings in DC which put me off in two ways: 1) $500? come on! NoVa (where I am),  has a huge number of young Dems (I'm in my 30s, so I may not count, but..). Throw a $25 barbecue in Falls Church and get a mass of volunteers at the same time. 2) DC??? This is a Virginia campaign! It's summer - time to be away from the District and in the State, no matter if your 'good fundraisers' are in DC.

Also, didn't the DNC drop a huge amount of money into the Kaine campaign? *What* are they doing with it? Even small targeted investments here and there aimed at Dems could raise interest, activity, and excitement levels. I don't see the Kaine folks doing that at all. I can't figure out *what* they're doing.

Yes, yes, I'm and independent and I'll vote for him - but he hasn't yet persuaded me to put a bumper sticker on the car, nor persuaded me to talk him up to anyone in my neighborhood.

Something's not right.. I'm no campaign expert, but I've been inclined to jump on the Kaine bandwagon and yet the campaign's not closing the deal at all.  Shame.

(I don't care at all about a public 'meltdown' or not - I really hope there's some follow-up, though, and not just back to business as usual - I don't think business as usual is going to cut it... Kaine needs to really shake things up, I think.)



I agree, the monkeys (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
I agree, the monkeys are running the show and should be terminated immediately. It is, I suspect, the same old Main Street crowd that's screwed up other Democrats' campaigns, and is pompously, arrogantly, and stupidly extending their act to some otherwise viable campaigns for Delegates, too. GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY you airheads (euphemism for another moniker lower down in the body). This is serious, and is exactly what ruined kerry, for example. As a former Republican I have to say the other side is expecting exactly this assinine foul-up-- the Repugs absolutely are more professional and KNOW the Dems will be dumb. Makes me wonder if there's a Trojan horse somewhere.


PS - I forgot to rem (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
PS - I forgot to remark about Kaine's limp Transportation program... it's frankly nothing to write home about. Even the Washington Post has noticed, and I can tell you most Northern Virginians I've talked with, who have bothered to check out the Transportation proposals of the candidates for Governor are also not impressed, and are concentrating more on Transportation than on the real estate taxes on their properties, contrary to what was excpected. To the uneducated eye Kaine's ideas look anemic beside Kilgore's, despite the fact we know Kilgore's ideas are a cop out and, again, Government by Devolution.


The problem is that (Paul - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
The problem is that no one thought Kaine had a chance until the GOP melted down in 04. So the prep work wasn't there...


Has anyone emailed M (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Has anyone emailed Mike about this?  What did he say?  The Coordinated Campaign in 2001 was very well run, which is why Mike got this gig to do Tim's Governor's race.  I just hope people have gotten word to him on this, and that the first he is hearing about this isn't now.  I'm not sure he would let this go on IF he knew what was happening on the ground.

I'm saying this firsthand because when I managed a Congressional race (less than 10% of the state) I was amazed then at how little I could see first hand on the ground of what was happening.  I was blown away by how difficult it was compared to a House of Delegates race, and I really can't imagine what it must be like for Mike to try to track what is going on statewide.  As reliant as I was on people calling me during that campaign (again, less than 10% of the state), I'm positive Mike is totally reliant on people communicating these concerns to him.

There are problems with Tim's campaign, but I really don't think it is the manager.



"2005 may not be the (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
"2005 may not be the year of the blog in Virginia, but 2006 could be if the MZM/Goode scandal gets into the public consciousness. "

The great thing is that with blogs and their booming popularity, the Goode scandal will gain legs as long as blogs keep pounding on it.



"I would be happy wi (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
"I would be happy with a hundred a day"
Shoot, I would be happy with 10 a day...
Or a hundred a month would be good.
But that was an extremely negative critique of blogs.  Blogs are part of the future of grassroots politics and they can't be shot down or ignored forever.


Teddy, you're on the (Bob Griendling - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Teddy, you're on the mark.  Whether it's transportation, capital punishment, abortion, schools, etc., Kaine's vision is cloudy, at best.  He runs the risk of "for it before against it" labeling.  If moderate Republicans are the key to his victory, he needs to give them a reason to switch parties.


Friends with David C (Adam Sharp - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Friends with David Cho? After that terrible article and leaving me off the blogroll? Ha!

I attempted a double feint by disparaging the hub-bub over the NLS identities and commenting on the Miller controversy. Apparently I missed on both. Dang subtlety.

2005 may not be the year of the blog in Virginia, but 2006 could be if the MZM/Goode scandal gets into the public consciousness.



Good analysis. (J from VJ - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Good analysis. 

Terrible "reporting" by the Post.

Lately, the only good political reporting of any sort has been done by a *sportswriter* at WaPo.

Sigh.



Wait, David Cho spok (Adam Sharp - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Wait, David Cho spoke by phone with someone involved with "Not Larry Sabato" ... could someone subpoena him to find out their identities? Maybe even throw him in jail? Makes about as much sense as throwing Judith Miller in jail ...


Lowell, totally agre (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Lowell, totally agree.


Excellent post! Lowe (the blue dog - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Excellent post! Lowell is a blog god.

The Blue Dog says, the WaPo article was all bark, no bite.



Shameless plug. I < (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Shameless plug.  I pile on...we need to do a better job or we'll be saying "Hello Gov. Gilmore" in January.


Great post, Lowell. (Bob Griendling - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)


"The whole MZM thing (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
"The whole MZM thing doesn?t prove your point. That stuff was in the blogosphere way before any newspaper picked it up (which is good, we?re doing the hard work), but as a story, it only picked up once the newspaper got it. Proving, that the general audience and general voters aren?t really affected by blog stories at all. "

But in terms of Virgil Goode, nobody was talking about it.  Waldo started posting links to MZM and Goode...eventially it was picked up by the mainstream media...

That's a victory for blogs!



Yes, the article had (LawJD - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Yes, the article had problems, but it wasn't as horrible as it's being described as. It's true, the VA blogs won't have much of an impact on the election in November. You talk about the people who read this - we're all hardcore Democrats or Republicans who'll vote anyway. I doubt non-serious voters read these blogs and get up-to-date information on who they'll vote for. They'll be swayed by sound-bytes and t.v. ads, just like most voters will. Political / Election blogs are really a niche market for political enthusiasts and campaign people. We probably bring in a few other people on the Internet who wouldn't originally search out blogs, but that number is so marginal.

The whole MZM thing doesn't prove your point. That stuff was in the blogosphere way before any newspaper picked it up (which is good, we're doing the hard work), but as a story, it only picked up once the newspaper got it. Proving, that the general audience and general voters aren't really affected by blog stories at all.



"True, most Virginia (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
"True, most Virginia political blogs receive only a few HUNDRED readers daily (not ?a few thousand,? as the article incorrectly asserts), but that does not provide much indication regarding their significance."

I would be happy with a hundred a day...

This article did not deserve a front spot in the Metro section.  It ticks me off that some of the blogs in VA are allowing totally anonymous posts...true some of them could bring forth decent info but that's the case in about 5% of the "anonymous" posts.  The rest are just rants and putdowns that could be easily seen on bulletin board or some other partisan forum. 

I like that Raising Kaine uses a name requirement...at least that way you can associate comments and user names.

They also could have brought up with Waldo's "MZM Story" other bloggers comments on Jerry Kilgore ducking debates, fundraising figures, and volunteer recruitment efforts.

Silly me for thinking they could bring something with some substance instead of the superfluous.



Is it a supply probl (Paul - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
Is it a supply problem or a demand problem? Is the campaign not demanding workers? Or are people just not offering their services? You offer an example of where the campaign failed to reach out. But I wonder whether there are other culprits at work here.

Is the Democratic base depressed after the 2004 campaign? That's what I'm trying to ask. It could be a combination of supply and demand. Who knows.



On the Democrati (Alice Marshall - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
On the Democratic side, just ask Kathy, Maura, Waldo, Kenton, Brian, and Bob.

Aren't you forgetting someone?

Excellent analysis by the way.



I agree. The only le (LawJD - 4/4/2006 11:27:12 PM)
I agree. The only letters/ emails I get are those to give $$. That's fine for some people, but I'm poor, so i can't give money. But, my time is free and I can give a lot of that. I even did some work at the Richmond HQ (near WestBroad), and some of those people are morons too. They don't know where to go, what's going on, or upcoming events. It's sad to see this happening. The only good thing is that we can try and pressure someone to correct it. We need some businessman type to run the damn thing, then we'll get it straight.


First of all if anyo (T.I.P - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
First of all if anyone who is reading this who is related to these acts of terrorism, you should feel ashamed, even though you believe your actions are above questioning due to your unstable religious inflated egos. I will not rant like other people on how futile and irresponsible your actions are, however i will say this everything has a balance, what you have done is inhumane and therefore it is not related to actions in regards of your god, but actions that you percieve to be commands from a non existant being. You know what, "I'm sick of hearing about your god, your perverting your own religion not to mention giving others who peacefully practice your religion a bad image worldwide, and im dead sure Allah does not accept killing and in non religious terms, you have no right to murder innocent civilians" Soon "What has happened will be eventually balanced out".

Attacking the public is a cowardly act. Fine I know not all military forces are 100% perfect in regards to many current issues regarding the armed forces of many countries, but no one in this world is perfect. you should learn to live with it as do all civilised people.



Allah will never acc (krishna - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Allah will never accept this and send this people to hell. It is very common in India, but the poor country is not able to stop this with its steel hands. Countries like Pakistan are encouraging this activity. We should reomve this from the root.


When you allow all t (Morning Star - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
When you allow all these parasites from other countries into our homeland you take our jobs and money and time and they raise all types of crime wish for an example? (motions towards the smokey scenes of London.) Soon you will see terrorist attacks upon terrorists themselves.... These n*gger arab scumful creatures cannot and will not get away with this!

Morning star,
88.



Can we please leave (Adam - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Can we please leave Hindu-Muslim hatreds out of this the separation of the indian Subcontinent and the divisions created by the British Raj are self evident please leave your prejudices at home.


And whilst were at i (Adam - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
And whilst were at it kick the ranting rascist off as well.


Drop dead NAZI (Adam - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)


I wont leave shit at (Morning Star - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
I wont leave shit at home adam, I hate any hindu muslim whatever, they are not welcome here, never have been.... Not predjudice... just keep your curry smelling asses in your homelands rape your farm animals... swing from tree's whatever but when you bring it into my country it becomes annoying I couldnt give a fuck about them if they stayed where they belong... well they all belong in Hell, I guess what I meant was, stay where they came from!

88.



In a recent poll i (Adam - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)

In a recent poll in Iraq 67% said they wanted the US troops and Britain to leave.

As I said look beyond the CNN, because the Truth is out there.



This country is goin (sn - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
This country is going to the dogs!

We have been far too soft with crime. A lot of folk have come here to seek asylum and refuge from continuing situations in their home country, why can't we all "just live and let live" why so much fighting? this country used to be fun! once! What happened?
Politicians have shaped the world we now live in!!!!!  So to a certain extent I DO blame the likes of Blair, Bush etc, If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have interfered in what at the time was NONE of our business. Now we DO have to get involved! It is after all what they started, sending all our GUYS in the British Armed Forces to their death for something they may not actually agree on!

My thoughts are with the families of all families and friends who have some how been involved with any terrorist activites but in particular with our British Forces who are continually going out to dangerous climates to go fix a problem THEY DID NOT create!!!!!!!!

So pardon my frech FUCK the politicians!



Morning Star I hope (Adam - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Morning Star I hope you know  that your tag is the name of the daily newspaper of the British communist Party, and I take it that the 88 is some kind of reference to Hitler's birthday or some other ridiculas code. So obviously you're very confused.
The debate here seems to be about Terrorism and War, yet you isist on talking about "our Borders" and "swinging from trees" ect.
Just go and stick your head in the sand for a few years and come back when you've grown up.
Given your current attitude I would assume you where a threat to the public. McVeigh as mentioned before had simpathies not dis-similar to your own maybe you can join him!


I don't agree with o (Morning Star - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
I don't agree with our troops being there, not arguing about that, I have no control over that they shouldn't waste resources and time, and some rare cases lives there. they should be here protecting our borders.

88.



This post is being d (Morning Star - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
This post is being deleted for profanity, bigotry, etc.  You are not welcome here.  Goodbye.


and the 88...! (Adam - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)


What the hell do the (An East Londoner - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
What the hell do these B*stards think they are going to achieve!!
Do they think that UK/US governments are going to withdraw our/their troops from the Middle East as a result of this kind of action!?!
9/11 meant that a hell of lot more UK/US troops are now in the Middle East, so don't these animals realise that their actions are causing the reverse effect!!


Steve, I do not beli (Tom W. - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Steve, I do not believe the Iraqis want the US and British troops any more than you would want somebody else to tell you how to go about your daily live.

Anybody remotely following world politics relaises that we can;t just leave Iraq in its own devices. However, the continuing pushing back of an exit strategy is not helping the Iraqi public to build a confidence towards one day having at least some sort of a democratic system in place which would be run by Iraqis for the Iraqis.

I do not wish to return to the old adage of oil and power, but it is clearly one we cannot overlook when assetaining the future of a country with such deep cuts caused by decdes of violence and such vast amounts of oil which will attract furhter violence.



I see that Morning S (JS - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
I see that Morning Star has yet to reach maturity.  You obviously have racist tendencies. No one thinks anything of you, and therefore you don't have a valid view on the days atrocities. You seem very knowledgeable on your own views, but not others. Maybe it IS time you grew up in the real world.  I doubt you have many friends. I feel very sorry for you, sorry indeed.  God bless the people who strive to drive out the injustices of this world.


David, I disagree, m (sn - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
David, I disagree, my views incidently are on the side of peace! By that I do not mean by sitting on the fence quoting all the usual CND babble!

A situation has been created and therefore a solution needs to be found. Death is not always the answer, however i am fully aware talking to the likes of some people doesn't always work either.

My point I was trying to make is where government makes decisions (even before blair's time) they have their solution already made out! They know their ultimate goal and by making their decisions they are causing giant ripples which at the present are getting out of hand. In effect tidal waves.

Someone began these situations with their own agenda, selfishness to be exact and due to these reasons we are now in a vicious circle, with paying the price with peoples lives not only through acts of terrorism as this morning, but also through unnecessary fighting.

This situation is out there now, instead of continuing in the viscious cycle which obviously is not bringing a successful outcome for either side, maybe look at other angles as well. The government has had free reign on what decisions they can make, and to certain extent it is necessary for them to do so! However there as to be another to prevent and now stop any more attrocities happening anywhere in the world.

We only have one life lets live it! And that goes for everyone even the heartless stupid terrorist arse bandits. if they want to kill let them kill themselves



Adam 88 = H.H. Hail (An East Londoner - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Adam 88 = H.H.  Hail to a certain leader of Germany in the 1930/40's catch my drift!!


Thanks for killing p (Kirstien - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Thanks for killing people, how would you feel if i got a bomb and stuck it in your familys neighbourhood? Just thinkabout it you selfish people! Leave us alone!


well goodbye for tod (sn - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
well goodbye for today. Keep safe all of you! Even those who have strange thoughts on real life, hey 88!!


Im in total shock. I (JS - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Im in total shock. I believe that all terrorists, confirmed or not, should be shot dead. I have lived in London for 31 years. I hate the preaching scum that allow these type of attacks to escalate.  Who in their right mind believes that after you die you will be rewarded with a better life, just because you strapped a bomb to your chest.. Fuck off you ignorant pricks.. Leave the world and go and find out who you really are, u have such a backward religion it makes me laugh how you think you are better than the "normal" human race.  You are all scum and deserve to be executed in public. Id watch.  Islamic or not, Im not getting into a debate, you fuckers started it all by 9/11.  I hope you all rot in hell for your backward beliefs.  Whoever quotes Allahh, or whatever he fucking is should be shot.  Dickheads.


Haha...Ben...I'm suc (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Haha...Ben...I'm such a schlub...you're right they are eerily similar.


Anyway, im off, just (Morning Star - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Anyway, im off, just wanted to say we'll shall get our revenge on them... if not the terrorists then their people.... its a violent awful cycle.... any people here from UK, that are arabs.... own takeaways and business? sleep well...... :)

88.



Kevin, Kilgore. But (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Kevin, Kilgore.  But gosh, it's scary how close those names are.  Never even noticed that before.


Jestar -- You really (Ade - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Jestar -- You really need to read up on your religions a little more.  Islam is a peaceful religion that a few idiots across the world have chosen to use for their own purposes.  They are cowards, and I sympathise with all Muslims for the damage caused to their good name by these badly named fools.

Simon -- how many of these civilians were killed by their own people, bombing queues waiting to join up at police stations, killing the young men wanting to join the Iraqi army?  I'm sure a lot of innocent people have died in Iraq, but that doesn't justify killing yet more innocents.



bloody idiots. (JM - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)


freaks of nature.... (Julie - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
freaks of nature....just crawl to the end of the earth and fall off!1 you scum sucking scum bags i hope Muhammed takes you to hell


What the hell is hap (Suannan - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
What the hell is happening to the state of this world.......you slugs should fuck off and leave the civilised world to live in peace


Absolutely disgracef (Simon - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Absolutely disgraceful....what needs to be known is that this can only make us stronger and more determined to rid the earth of these obsessed lunatics! And stop quoting Allah, as if to justify your reasons. Grrr


The truth is that fo (Adam - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
The truth is that for politicians like Bush and Blair one sort of terrorism-the brutal state terrorism of the biggest imperialist powers, the US and Britain-is justified, but the terrorism of those who have suffered as a result is not. We should reject this hypocrisy and take an entirely different approach.
Terrorism is a futile act and only begets more violence. The proof is in blood in both London now and Baghdad. British Troops out of Iraq. No more Terror!


What happened here t (Tom W. - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
What happened here today is sickening, but we just need to keep our heads cool. The question of who's got blood on their hands on this is a complex one.

Anyone who wishes to injure innocent people for nonsensical, wholly unachievable political gains deserves to be judged by the heaviest hand. And that goes for EVERYONE who wishes to cause harm to people, regardless of their religious views.



The USA know exactly (Seven Deadly Sins - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
The USA know exactly where Bin Laden is.  The Bin Ladens of Saudi Arabia made a deal with the President of the USA that no harm would come to him.  That deal probably involves quite a lot of money and investments.  The CIA is keep track of Bin Laden, but there are no plans to ever bring him in. 


Tom W is correct. Un (Adam - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Tom W is correct. Unfortunately the likes of Bush and Blair will continue to get away with murder because they own the courts and no-one can stand up to their guns, with the exception of the mass of people opposed too their imperial adventures.
STOP THE KILLING ? TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ
IRAQ FOR THE IRAQIS
REMEMBER DRESDEN! SEE FALLUJAH!



Jestar, it is not al (Tom W. - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Jestar, it is not all followers of Allah that carry out these horrific attacks. And only a minority of Muslims tolerate and support these acts of evil.

Does the fact that Timothy McVeigh, a devout Christian, blew up the Oklahoma tower make each and every Christian a coward and a terrorist with blood on their hands?



The people that have (Ian - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
The people that have committed these atrocities are purely evil. They commit these acts in the name of religion, what a joke... they indescriminatly attack all races, religions, creeds.

They deserve no mercy.



Jim and Dave?I never (Adam - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Jim and Dave?I never said 'they' would not be terrorists as Tom says?they're 'brainwashed' not unlike our own soldiers, if you think I am stupid for stating the blindingly obvious thats your concern. The terrorists do have a point. They make it badly, and it's not the misguided idiots who blow themselves up that are the problem its their leaders like our leaders who are the problem. Iraq was a war about profit and resourses not religion.
Troops should come home as they are a beacon for Terrorists, Iraq is now a hotbed of terroist activity recruitment (not just there, but world wide) Contary to the Bush lies it never was before (infact Bin Laden hated Sadaam for being a secular Muslim leader in league with the US against Iran). As for democracy in Iraq Look beyond CNN or the BBC and you'll find a lot of evidence pointing to the countary. Democracy cannot be instilled at the barrel of a gun. Fallujah was leveled by the Marines, becuase the poplas resisted, Hospitals were invaded and patients refused treatment by soldiers, doctors and nurses threatend, snippers shoting from roof tops bodies burried unnder rubble.
This is not about having a backbone this is about having a soul!

 



Allah the god of I (Jestar - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)

Allah the god of Islam a coward god. Those who believe in sheeding 'his' blood 'THE JIHAD' on the innocent will destroy the world. 
No matter what his believers do they will not win, as Murder doesn't win....

Followers of Allah remember you to are cowards and obviously insercure of your own self....



Simon, you are as ba (BB - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Simon, you are as bad as the people responsible for today if you can even start to use the ridiculous statement you just did as any means of justification for today.  You are sick and twisted to even compare the two


I think it is terrib (Simon - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
I think it is terrible...but I was checking some websites today, and according to one the civilian death count in Iraq is 22,000 something. To me that is incredible. I'm not justifying their actions at all, but I can see why they would want revenge. Si


For fucks sake, i ha (BB - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
For fucks sake, i have lived and worked in London all my working life, and just got back home from Central London following this mornings outrageous attacks.  Why should Londoners, fellow UK citizens and for that matter any other region anywhere in the world be subject to such cowardley acts of sabotage when these idiots do not even start to contempate the carnage this causes, both materialistically and emotionally to innocent people going about there daily lives?


Because they are rel (Adam - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Because they are religious does that mean that the acts are done in the name of that religion? NO
Does that religion agree with the acts? NO
Was it 'Christians' who invaded and continue to occupy the mainly Musllim countries of Afghanistan and Iraq? YES
Are the 'Christians' then evil too, if so I agree with you, but religion is used as a cover for all concerned in this 'war'.
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." --Napoleon Bonaparte



Jim, terrorists are (Tom W. - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Jim, terrorists are brainwashed to believe their predicament is completely brought on by "infidel" governemnt lead by a Zionist conspiracy. Recent actions by the US-lead coalition "of the willing" hasn't helped ridicule and erase that obviously errouneous view. Hence we have a situation where people living in relative opulence are prepared to kill innocent people. They actually think that they are helping their brothers in Gaza, teh West Bank, Kabul, Iraq, Fallujah...

What we need is to demonstrate to the sensible majority in the above mentioned regions that these people are not only causing tremendous loss of live with these attrocities which they commit in the name of Allah ? but also alienate Islam further from the so-called Western Values that can also be so clearly found on teh pages of Qur-An.



Adam YOUR AN IDIOT! (Jim - 4/4/2006 11:27:13 PM)
Adam YOUR AN IDIOT!  The terrorists will be terrorists because they are terrorists.  Iraq has NOTHING to do with it.  Don't kid yourself that these are poor impoverished people with nothing left to do but martyr themselves.  IF YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THAT, BUY A PLANE TICKET, GO TO IRAQ AND TALK TO THE CITIZENS OF BAGHDAD - NOT THE TERRORISTS - THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT PEACE AND ARE GLAD SOMEONE HAS COME TO THEIR RESCUE! - GET AN EDUCATION!


Lowell, you've gone (Not Mark Rozell - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Lowell, you've gone way too far this time.

I'm one of those rare people who still believes that fighting terrorism should be a non-partisan issue. Bill Clinton had several opportunities to nab bin Laden, and so has Bush. There's more than enough blame to go around, but can anyone really say that disposing of Osama bin Laden would have stopped this brutal attack? I think not. Terrorism was around before him, and it will certainly survive him.

Give it a rest for a couple of days, Lowell. Your post is shameless. The people of London need prayers, not preaching.



Byrne seems to have (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Byrne seems to have reversed her color scheme.
Makes it stand out.  Nice.


I meant 9-11 attacke (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
I meant 9-11 attackers, not 9-11 bombers.


I disagree with abou (Bob - Progressive - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
I disagree with about 80% of what Jim Moran says and does. He is a terrible Congressman. He is voting against the Democratic leadership. Tim Kaine has to know that. If Tim Kaine is going to go along with the Pro-Life position on abortion he should not be Governor. Another reason I won't contribute or volunteer for Kaine. Thanks for telling me he's pro-Life. I already knew he is pro-CAFTA.

Mr. Mark, the synopsis of dumbass Moran's bloviation at the rally is just above these postings.



What did Jim Moran s (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
What did Jim Moran say?

I heard that there was a synopsis of Moran's remarks on Raising Kaine but I have not found it.



Has anyone seen how (Real Progressive - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Has anyone seen how Jim Moran has voted the past 6 months? If Tim Kaine is going to embrace Jim Moran's big business, pro-CAFTA, anti-middle class agenda, I'm not going to be able volunteer for Tim.

I do not need another wealthy guy like Jim Moran and Mark Warner say he represents middle class interests while he actually is a lobbyist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.



Democrats wonder whe (Bob Hogan - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Democrats wonder when is Saddam and his Cut-throats going on trial. It's a very Taboo Subject within the Bush Texas White House Gang. Karl Rove said that Saddam will judged like a Texas Style Justice of the "point system" I asked Karl, "What is this system about" Karl said, Saddam and his henchmen will be evaluated by doctors on a point system on how their childhood was meaning abusive parents or abusive school teachers and others questions with add or subtraction points to conclude their court profile in Court. I told Karl and Karen Hughes that this Texas System may be okay for Texas but was too "lite in the Loafers" for SouthWestern Virginans on Saddam Crimes against Humanity. It just sounded to softcore or "gay" for Southwestern Virginians on Saddam Crimes against Iranians, Kuwait Citizens, and Iraqis. Karl went on to Saddam had some childhood issues that need council and advice from professionals. The Bushies are just too softcore on bringing Saddam to Justice for mass murder on the scale of Pol Pot and Stalin. I'm not knocking Texas Style Justice but in SouthWestern Virginia we believe that mass murderers should have a fair day in court and if found guilty of mass murder get strict swift justice. Karl Rove has a legal Right to push for Saddam and henchmen to have Group Council Secessions and Community Service but it is not justice in SouthWestern Virginian and sounds too soft and gay. Maybe in Texas but not Virginia 


Sounds fabulous!!!!! (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)


Tim has got to know (Bob - Progressive - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Tim has got to know that Jim Moran is voting with the Republicans and against both the House Progressive Caucus and the Democratic leadership in Congress.

Does Tim care about the effect of CAFTA on the hundreds of small manufacturing companies in Virginia? And about the people who work in manufacturing in Central America? Jim Moran is blatantly pro-CAFTA.

But Jim Moran has no manufacturing in his district. And the immigrants from Central America in Jim Moran's district don't want CAFTA.



Byrne seems to have (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Byrne seems to have reversed her color scheme.
Makes it stand out.  Nice.


What is the differen (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
What is the difference between a root cause and an ordinary cause?

The alleged statement by the London bombers calls Britain a "Crusader Zionist state."

Are the Crusades a root cause of the London bombers?

Even if one could distinguish between root causes and non-root causes, then what?

After 9-11 someone asked Mideast scholar Fouad Ajami about changing policies that the 9-11 bombers didn't like. Prof. Ajami said that once you do that you will be met with "an exploding laundry list of demands."



It's easy to pluck a (Cynetyk - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
It's easy to pluck a bunch of crazy right-wing comments from the Web and then claim that they represent the feelings of everyone who likes Bush and supports the war. It's equally easy to pluck a bunch of crazy left-wing comments from the Web and then claim that they represent the feelings of everyone who dislikes Bush and opposes the war.

You do you cause no favors by stereotyping those you disagree with, painting them all with the same, slimy brush. There's not nearly enough civil dialogue in the country these days, and in some part it's because people like you, and your counterparts on the right, get that little shivering thrill of self-righteousness whenever you demonize your opponents this way.

I say to both sides, grow up. And for the sake of Virginians I hope Tim Kaine has more sense and perspective than whoever is running this blog.



Some people are just (LawJD - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Some people are just nuts. Those guys want to kill all Muslims, regardless, that's not fighting terrorism that's genocide.

And, to Johnny7 (at the top), Democrats and Republicans all said the same thing yesterday,  let's pray for those hurt and killed, and let's fight terrorism. It's only people like you that want to win elections off of things like this.



Typical lame right-w (Paul - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Typical lame right-wing response. I'm amused.


Sat here in the UK, (UK centerist - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Sat here in the UK, yes I am sickened and angry.

Guys let's be straight, there is nothing similar between Iraq and the atroscity we see today - though there may be links.

If they are to attack my country I would like an honest government approach which fights for the thing I believe in which is the right of freedom for all individuals.

Hence lets be clear and raise the itellectual not military anti:

1 - look to change the the UN charter to condemn and undermine ANY government of ANY territory which is not a free and pluralistic democracy.

2 - Condemn theocracy openly but not violently.

3 - Actively involve ourselves where we have no financial benefit - i.e. Buma, Zimbabwe, Sudan.

4 - Financially assist those who are disinfranchised. Especially peaceful Islamic institutions.

5 - Openly and copiously publicise and discuss this with populations of ALL nations.

We need to be clearly fair to all. The US [especially] needs to stop harking on about christianity [religion is a personal matter] and we need to be open about our agenda.

That will give you a basis to build policy, but right now we just react and couterreact and do nothing to build trust with the average Muslim who only hears rhetoric and so supports the 'war' as a tribal one.

Simplistic yes. Idealistic yes.  But it might just work. What do you think?



Your's seems a littl (johnny7 - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Your's seems a little short Tim... on the wee side. Then again... most of your Democrat cronies seemed at a loss for words yesterday.


Skewed beliefs in re (Seven Deadly Sins - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Skewed beliefs in religion and religous propaganda has been the source of this world's problem from the beginning of time.  You can use religion to justify or to banish a cause, you can use it in the name of killing at random - 9/11, and now the London transit bombing.  You can also use it to save souls that are "lost" and then brainswash them into doing your bidding.  Unless people have morals and believe in right and wrong, religion is total bullshit. 

It is wrong to do harm intentionally, and that includes what the US and Britian have done internationally to secure their world domination from the start.
It is also wrong for these extremists to be randomly killing people who aren't just British, but who are from different countries on a morning commute.

A tit for a tat as it goes.  Whose wrongs are better or worse?  Does it even matter?  We as Jon Q Public are caught in the middle of the madness.



Not really sure what (dilruba - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Not really sure what to say, its almost like, theres no where to hide in this world,wherever you go there seems to be destruction.Obviously its the worst feeling when it happens in your own capital city. I think we should all just pray for our own well being and our close family and friends and just hope that theres less atrocities.


I think I wish more (Reality - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
I think I wish more people could be as clear on these issues as you are, UK. People also go to war for political capital - which GWB has criticisized his father, GB, for amassing and then "wasting."

My brother, who is a staunc Bush supporter, thinks we were wrong to involve ourseves in Iraq solely because their were other governments similar to Hussein's where the U.S. and its allies were not involving themselves.

If we were doing it to make a difference in the world, then, like you, he suggested we should have started in those places that had the same problems, or worse, and where we did not have financial incentive to pick the targets... and where our allies and ourselves might have reached a quicker resolution.

As long as schools teach their young, as happens in many Arab countries, that dying as a martyr is a one-way ticket to paradise, I don't know that peace has a real chance. Armed response can't be the only response, but it will need to be a part of it.



Cool photos. And gl (Jeremy - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Cool photos.  And glad to hear things were well organized.


Sometimes brevity of (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:27:14 PM)
Sometimes brevity offers the most clarity...I mean what do you want Kaine to do launch into an opus about terrorism when all that needs to be said at this point is "we're with you"...