NLS is wrong again! This time it hurts YOU!By: pitin
Published On: 8/7/2006 7:34:37 PM
Ben Tribbett of Not Larry Sabato claims in his blog header that he is 99.7% accurate (I would guess much less), well he is going to have to drop that number yet again.
I have to believe that Ben knows better then this and he is doing it just to get hits, which I find sickening, here we go.
As we all know by now, Sen George Felix Allen Jr, was "caught" owning stock in a pharmecutical that makes Plan B (morning after pill).
Ben goes and writes the following post; George Allen and Abortion with the following choice quotes.
I think George Allen has really stepped in it, with the recent news that he owns stock in an abortion drug company. his emphasis, not mine
How is this going to impact pro-life turnout?
How will conservatives feel about Allen using his taxpayer funded salary to buy stocks in the abortion industry?
I just don't understand how someone can be pro-life and own abortion stock. How Allen reacts to this could impact this election in a big way.
Ben's need for sensationalism has led him to outright LIE and start using GOP talking points at the same time.
Plan B is a birth control contraceptive that the FDA describes works in the following way,
3. How does Plan B work?
Plan B works like other birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. Plan B acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary (ovulation). It may prevent the union of sperm and egg (fertilization). If fertilization does occur, Plan B may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb (implantation). If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B, Plan B will not work.
RU-486 is the pill that produces a chemically induced abortion, this is not it.
I call on Ben to change, update his post, and apologize for his mis-statements.
This is wrong, and women will suffer so that he can get more hits, please join me in politly asking Ben to change his ways.
I don't want to give out Ben's E-mail (pitin - 8/7/2006 7:35:38 PM)
So just shoot on over to www.notlarrysabato.com and let him know in the comments that you find this dispicable.
real addy (Matt in VA - 8/8/2006 12:13:04 PM)
the other one is an ad site i think.
Yes, your right (pitin - 8/8/2006 12:25:01 PM)
sorry about that.
Thanks for letting us know Matt.
your right, Pitin (GrumpyCareBear24 - 8/7/2006 7:41:23 PM)
this is out of control, for a democrat, he should know that this is not an abortion pill, as many of his comments that followed explained clearly to him, to correct his misunderstanding.
It stops the egg from dropping, and the sperm from attaching.
That's all, this is not an abortion pill.
Thanks for the back-up (pitin - 8/7/2006 7:44:21 PM)
that's what irks me the most, he has
been corrected by his readers, and yet he refuses to change his posts.
Ben is just herding Trolls (Bubby - 8/8/2006 10:14:25 AM)
And watching them spin. It is a glorious sight. Remember, in Allenstan "Facts" are inconvenient, image and perceived integrity are what matter - badly bruised on this issue. Allens christian-right base believe
Plan B is
an abortiofacient drug, and suspect it is the tool of serial rapists. Really.
Exactly right. That's what this is all about. (Lowell - 8/8/2006 1:12:09 PM)
RE: Ben being Ben (JPTERP - 8/7/2006 8:32:00 PM)
Does Allen view Plan B as an abortion pill? If so, there is some relevance to this issue politically. It means that Allen is being inconsistent. He needs to sell the stock, which I suspect he will, or else be labeled a hypocrite by his more zealous followers.
The scientific issue that you've raised is another issue (I don't disagree with your conclusion that Plan B is not "an abortion pill").
From a pragmatic perspective: What is the best way to achieve your objective of keeping Plan B legal and available? I think Ben in a roundabout way is working towards the same goal that you are. This is an issue that divides Allen's base opening the door for a candidate (Jim Webb) who is likely to be more receptive to your position.
Bingo, JPTERP nails it. (Lowell - 8/7/2006 8:53:36 PM)
For your Carvillian understanding of politics, you win the grand prize - free posting privileges on the Virginia blog of your choice for the rest of your life. Ha. :)
P.S. Seriously, I think JPTERP's reasoning is flawless. Good work.
P.P.S. Ben's post was excellent, although I might have worded it a bit differently. For instance, I might have stressed that Plan B isn't an abortion pill, but that many on the religious right BELIEVE it to be an abortion pill or something else really bad, like a license to promiscuity or whatever. Still, excellent job by Ben in pointing out Allen's hypocrisy.
I never doubted his political analysis (pitin - 8/7/2006 8:58:30 PM)
just that he states that the morning after pill is "an abortion drug", even the FDA that doesn't want it to be over the counter states that it's not an abortion pill.
To state that Plan B is an Abortion pill is simply wrong and irresponsible. (at least in my opinion).
Many of the right wingnuts certainly believe (Lowell - 8/7/2006 9:49:27 PM)
that Plan B is an abortion pill. I disagree with them, but that's what they think. And that's really the whole point here, exposing Allen as a big-time hypocrite.
Ha! I was just about to say (Eric - 8/7/2006 9:55:04 PM)
the same thing. Well, almost.
It's about what they think it is, not what we know it is. Sure, it does help their argument minimally, but it does more to cause confusion on their part. Where does Allen really stand?
At the very least, something like this could force Allen to make a very clear statement about his positions on abortion and related matters in order to clear things up. And that clarity would almost certianly cause grief for some of his supporters. As one of them said on NLS, most aren't single issue voters, so this isn't a death blow. But anything to cause doubt is a step in the right direction.
Political maneuverings (Kenton - 8/7/2006 10:12:22 PM)
Splitting off the Republican base is key to winning this election, and with the pro-lifers foaming at the mouth that George Allen isn't with them enough, this could be a good wedge. They perceive
that it's an abortion pill--that makes them want to stay home. It works both ways for us: we bash Allen for being a hypocrite, and the right-wing stays home.
Pitin (Ben - 8/7/2006 11:28:37 PM)
Good work for Lamont this weekend. Hope it turns out well tomorrow.
Ben... (pitin - 8/8/2006 12:19:10 AM)
I do to.
But can you see how this could further confuse your readers that aren't on the up and up on birth control methods?
Anyone confused by Ben's post... (Lowell - 8/8/2006 5:52:44 AM)
...is either not very bright or a right-wing Republican. Ah, but I repeat myself. Ha.
Yeah, Pitin, you missed the point. (Bubby - 8/8/2006 10:01:53 AM)
We are navigating Virginia politics here. We don't need a fork, we use a knife. The atmosphere is yellow with Christian Coalition deceit and right wing chicanery. And when Ben is done with George Allen we'll start on Steve Newmann. Strap in!
So many hypocrites so few days to November.
the point (GrumpyCareBear24 - 8/8/2006 1:32:52 PM)
is that he misinforms people on a blog that he should post correct information on. he should correct the information, and state that Plan B is not an abortion pill, as it aborts no pregnancy. maybe your missing the point, bubby. its about correct information.
Allen and Bisaro (Kathy Gerber - 8/8/2006 4:50:08 PM)
Paul Bisaro, President and Chief Operating Officer of Barr Pharmaceuticals, Inc., of NY and his wife Kathryn contributed $5000 to George Allen this cycle (see opensecrets.org ). Bisaro is also a contributor to Virgil Goode; Barr has a location in Forest, VA.
Ex-Governor Gilmore is currently on the Board of Directors of Barr.
Sounds like a classic good-old-boys network..
Isn't that Special! (Bubby - 8/8/2006 5:27:23 PM)
Barr has been working since 2003 to make Plan B available over-the-counter, The Family Reseach Council and Concerned Women for America have harangued the FDA to prevent this, calling the treatment an "abortifacient drug". George Allen is courting the religious right while taking money from the "Abortiofacient" drug maker, and holds stock in the company.
I need to know what Pat Robertson has to say. He must issue a Fatwa to the Faithful! Why does George Allen hate Christianity?
A little more.. (Kathy Gerber - 8/8/2006 6:51:30 PM)
Both Bisaro and Bruce Downey (a href="http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/FromMktGuideIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedMktGuideId=197775">salary 1 million for him) worked for Winston & Strawn. W&S is interesting for what are probably unrelated but more recent reasons
The GENERIC PHARMACEUTICAL ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE consists of 10 guys (yes, all men). I haven't run them all down but several are Barr execs, and Bisaro and Downey are the big contributors.
Martin Zeiger is among them as employed by Martin Zeiger LLC/Partner. He is an ex-VP at Barr, and probably consults for them.
Anyway, this PAC is how the execs at Barr manage to contribute quietly to Democrats and controversial Republicans such as Trent Lott in the Current cycle.
For some people Zygote=Human Being (thegools - 8/8/2006 5:46:39 PM)
The first cell formed after fertilization is called the zygote. This single cell immediately begins dividing. Eventually it forms a blastocyst (a hollow ball of cells). Anywhere during this period implantation can occur.
I small minority of people actually consider this early, pre-implantation period as constituting human life. Therefore, the idea that "Plan B may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb (implantation)" could, in their minds, constitute terminating a human life. Although not technically abortion, for those with the believe that zygote=human being, Plan B may still be seen as "morally wrong" for stopping early embryonic development.
(I am not saying I agree with the logic of zygote=human, but I have heard this argument from the fringes of the anti-abortion crowd.)