Allen Campaign and Right Wing Media Disinformation on Webb: Debunked

By: Lowell
Published On: 7/25/2006 3:55:56 PM

Over the past few days, the Allen campaign has been busy spreading disinformation that cuts to the core of Jim Webb's service in the Reagan Administration, and to Webb's character more generally.  Specifically, the Allen camp has started pushing the bizarre line that "Webb is Not and Never Was a Reagan Democrat."  Even worse, Allen's allies have been attempting to argue that Jim Webb resigned as Navy Secretary NOT on principle but in a fit of "pique."

Webb wasn't a "Reagan Democrat?"  How can the Allen camp and its conservative allies make such a claim, when Webb served in the Reagan Administration for 4 years, from 1984 to 1988?  Aside from the fact that Webb resigned as Navy Secretary, the right-wingers point to policy disagreements between Webb and certain other Reagan Administration officials.  I know, we're all shocked, SHOCKED that there would be policy disagreements within a presidential Administration. Well, news flash to George Allen, the Reagan Administration was not monolithic, with people agreeing 97% of the time as you do with your soulmate, George W. Bush.  What a concept.

Meanwhile, the right-wing smear machine is pushing the swift-boat-style attack line that Webb resigned as Navy Secretary out of "pique" rather than "principle."  Ironically, the Allen campaign and its surrogates in the right-wing media are relying heavily for this charge on an 18-year-old editorial in the New York Times, of all places. Rather ironic, considering that the right wing is usually busy claiming that the New York Times is ultra liberal, "disgraceful," and even treasonous. 

Still, here's the conservative National Review Online quoting the evil New York Times, which opined back in February 1988 that Webb resigned as Navy Secretary because "He failed to get on with his boss, Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci." 

Is there any truth to this?  Well, believe it or not, someone actually wrote a 114-page thesis on the subject of Webb's resignation as Navy Secretary.  The thesis was written in March 2000 by Bradly Hanner at the Naval Postgraduate School, and concludes:

Webb's insistence on maintaining the United States' Navy's force structure in the face of Secretary of Defense Carlucci's unwillingness to do the same, led to his resignation.  His opposition to the reduction in force structure was rooted in his fundamental belief that it was unwise for the United States, as a maritime nation, to undercut a service upon which it relied so heavily.

No sign of "pique" there, just principle.

Don't believe the author?  Then how about George Will, who wrote a piece at the time entitled, "Navy Loses a Warrior."  In it, Will argued pointedly that "the defense budget, and especially the Navy, should be tailored to the nature of the nation's security needs, not budgetary convenience."  Essentially the same exact argument that Webb was making.

How about conservative Republican Jack Kemp, who wrote:

...[it was] a terrible mistake accommodating...to the mindless cuts in defense.  I think the wrong man resigned.  It shouldn't have been Webb.  It should have been Carlucci.

How about Reagan White House Press Secretary Marlin Fitzwater, who commended Webb for doing the "honorable thing" in this matter?

Finally, how about Jim Webb himself, who told Jim Lehrer at the time:

My final conclusion on this when each time the answer was you have to take ships out, even when we could afford them, was that this was not being done for a strategic reason.

Instead, Webb felt strongly that the Navy was being harmed for "a political reason I couldn't agree with," and that this was unacceptable.  So he resigned on principle, not out of "pique," but in support of President Reagan, whose plan for a 600-ship Navy was "an important campaign plank of [his] in the 1980 presidential election."

Webb wasn't a "Reagan Democrat" during the 1980s?  Webb quit out of "pique?"  The facts simply do not support such an allegation.  Nice try, though, guys.

Lowell Feld is Netroots Coordinator for the Jim Webb for US Senate Campaign.  The ideas expressed here belong to Lowell Feld alone, and do not necessarily represent those of Jim Webb, his advisors, staff, or supporters.


Comments



How did Webb vote in 1972? (Roger Jarrell - 7/25/2006 4:17:24 PM)
In order to answer the questions regarding whether Webb was a Republican or a Democrat, I think it would be a useful exercise to perhaps draw a timeline of his political affiliation.

Now, we know from his comments that he felt disgruntled with Jimmy Carter because of the amnesty situation -- so he gravitated to Ronald Reagan sometime thereafter.

Let's have him come on the record to tell us how he voted in 1972.

Did he vote for McGovern?  His comments seem to suggest that it could have been a possibility.

Did he vote for Carter in 1976?  Again, by his comments that appears to be a possibility.

In order to best dispel the questions regarding his party affiliation, Webb should come clean.  Tell us more. 



If Webb was unable to influence the budgetary process.... (Roger Jarrell - 7/25/2006 4:34:42 PM)
during his tenure as SECNAV, how is it that he could possibly handle the complexities of the budgetary process as U.S. Senator?

In reading his letter of resignation coupled together with other articles regarding his decision to resign, I come to the conclusion that he did so partly as a matter of honor and partly the result of frustration of his own inability to work within the system.

In the end, I have to question whether he has the temperament necessary to be a U.S. Senator.

Politics is about getting along with others when needed...and fighting it out when necessary.

Resigning as SECNAV during the midst of the 1980s is not a way to incluence events.  To me, it seems more akin to a kid who gets frustrated with the game and takes ball home.



Scroll down to the question I asked Chap. (Left Wing - 7/25/2006 4:54:02 PM)
Read his excellent answer.  I learned a lot from it...maybe you will too.

I don't care how Webb voted in the past.  I care about who he is now and what he will do for the country as a senator.

“You have to have been a Republican
to know how good it is to be a Democrat.”
-- Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis



Mr. Jarrell: (PM - 7/25/2006 10:47:20 PM)
Interesting record on this guy if you Google his name. Look at some of the comments at NLS. Otherwise, not worth responding to.


They are winning. (drmontoya - 7/25/2006 5:03:20 PM)
They know it, we know it.

It's not too late to respond?

What are we going to do about it?

That's the real question.



The most unfortunate aspect of these attacks... (JD - 7/25/2006 5:05:36 PM)
is that Allen has successfully put Webb on the defensive.  I was hoping for the other way around.  I'm not saying the attacks should go unanswered, but at that point, Allen already swiftboated him.  What's much more important is that next time, Webb frames the issues.

Maybe we here should divy up the editorial boards, and go after Allen ourselves. 



Swiftboated? (drmontoya - 7/25/2006 5:08:57 PM)
Unfortunately. This is just the beginning.

They are going to make the swiftboats look like children, wait they are making the swiftboats look like children, along with painting Webb as one too.

Thank god I am not in charge of the campaign, or I would make Allen's campaign shudder with fear.

I would call him (Allen) on EVERYTHING.

Taking no damn risks. It's not worth it to worry about the risks, if it's the truth why hold back? why wait?



But don't despair. (JD - 7/25/2006 5:16:06 PM)
We can take charge.  Grassroots campaigns don't have to wait around from orders from the top.  We can certainly go after Allen ourselves.  How many papers are in Virginia?  A few well-placed editorials could go a long way towards building some momentum, and, most importantly, putting Allen on the defensive.  What is Allen's schedule?  A few well-placed operatives can stick him with questions he doesn't want to answer, at his public events.  And, while I'm not in Virginia, I hope those of you who are have your bumper stickers and signs posted.  Now is the time.

What are the things we can call him on?  Lets make a list...



Here's the bottom (Nick Stump - 7/25/2006 7:25:52 PM)
Jim Webb resigned over plans to cripple the Navy by reducing the number of ships built. As this war on terror demonstrates, we need a strong navy, as often we have to use our ships as floating bases.  I truely wish those who understand nothing of strategy and tactics would stop using Webb's resignation as a big deal one way or the other.  Jim Webb stood on principle when he resigned.  He was trying to protect the national security of this country.  Jim fought cutting the Navy.  Looking back, he was damn smart to do so, as we really need our Navy now in the Persian Gulf and elsewhere.
  George Allen never figured out to execute a forward pass, much less build and deploy a Navy.  And for you out there who are whining about swiftboating, quit yelling the sky is falling and fight back. Grown some guts and get behind your candidate.


My Man (seveneasypeaces - 7/25/2006 7:50:19 PM)
Jim Webb rebelled against Reagan putting the money into star wars and crippling the Navy when he had promised Jim he would build the navy. 

The Navy is so very important to the planet in peacetime too.  I am so proud of Jim for having principles and standing on them.  I'll call it from the hill top.  Jim Webb cannot be bought. 



TROLLING THE WATERS (Tony Mastalski - 7/25/2006 8:53:39 PM)
You know I understand Roger Jarrell ... he wants to play in the RK sandbox spewing his irrelevant repub-rant. That's fine and if you've got the time to play tit for tat. Go for it.

But DrMontoya ... I'm starting to wonder about you. Yesterday it was stirring the pot on Campaign "issues" and today it's .... let's face it they are winning. I mean what fuck ... what side are you on??  A defeatist democrat / a litmus test democrat / a republican troll master??

Anybody who's been around Jim Webb and this campaign knows it is George Allen's worse NIGHTMARE!  Otherwise these guys at NRO and such wouldn't be spending so much energy on the attack. Good God man ... George Allen and his entire staff where ass puckered throughout the whole debate ... just hoping Bored George didn't blow it.

Webb was cool, confident and sharp. His staff confident and collected. Not surprising ... Webb inspires confidence ... he radiates it. Nobody doubts his sincereity .. it's a fallout product of his humility.

Everything about George Allen is Spin factory manufactured where as Webb is authentic ... The Allen campaign started losing the day Webb showed up ... it's just up to us to keep him in front of his audience .... you know the MAJORITY of voters.

So montoya ... change your tact ... unless of course you set sail as a troll flying friendly colors as you pirate along. Lowell  .... keep an eye on this guy.

Webb for Senate .... he'll make you proud to be an American again.



Tony.. (drmontoya - 7/25/2006 11:37:29 PM)
Perhaps you should do a bit more research before you question my loyalty.

If you don't want to listen to what I have to say fine, walk blindly.. but don't badger me or call me a troll.

That's insulting.

I don't need to go around here flying flags for anything, if you don't know where I stand. Just ask me, or ask Lowell yourself.

I have said it before, and say it again. Jim Webb makes me proud to be a democrat, and proud to be an American.

But, we can't act like in some way we are winning when we are not.

Be realistic.

If you want to win, you debate the issues.. you don't act and pretend there isn't a problem. Unless, you really believe it and then we are really in trouble.

The only flag I fly, is the flag with the donkey on it.

Come to the meetup (more info on my page) to find out!



Tony... (Delta Mike - 7/26/2006 9:42:05 AM)
The doctor is legit. Lived and breathed Wes Clark, and now lives and breathes Jim Webb. He just, really, really, really, doesn't want to lose, and he's working is arse off to make sure it doesn't happen. Let's get the finish line together.


Happy to Apologize (Tony Mastalski - 7/26/2006 8:46:37 PM)
Sorry DrMontoya... another fired up Clarke person, should have guessed... I've met a lot of them ... mostly women. The BEST Volunteers out there. So I apologize profusely!

Still I'm dismayed with all this campaign questioning ... second guessing and inadvertent bashing. That is old news ... water under the bridge.

The campaign has looked at it's strengths and weaknesses since the primary. Adjustments were made ... some painful. Very good people were called in and are filling needed rolls... the outreach is picking up. The communication is improving.

I believe the candidate himself made the hard calls that had to be made (to clear the air)  and has provided the needed guidence to his staff.

So I'm moving out from there. No looking behind ... moving forward ... and yes I question any and all blogs as I see more negative Repub-hype coming along all the time.

The time has come to pull together and push on through.

Sorry again for the challenge .... If I get to meet up with you I'll certainly look to buy you a beer ... or such.

Best regards,

Tony Mastalski



Just like Bush... (bladerunner - 7/25/2006 9:08:51 PM)
Bush/Allen are analy close in their approach to attacking their opponent--they attack their strong points and neutralize it. They don't have to bring it all the way down, they just water it down a bit and they've won. I  think by now the Webb camp knows that it has get some zingers in sometime this summer. It's still beyond me how people don't revolt against dude Allen. Maybe some day he'll be the poster child for mouth cancer. Go Webb!!


It is time to go on the offensive (mickeyd - 7/25/2006 9:34:04 PM)
Yes the Webb campaign has an excellent response and someone ought to get it out there now.  But I agree with those who lament the fact that Allen's camp has, so far, defined the issues.

It is time for Webb to go on the attack.  Point out that Allen has readily supported the President in sending other persons' sons and daughters to war.  Use the "chicken hawk" label as defined by Glen Greenwald.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/07/what-makes-someone-chicken-hawk.html

Or, go through Allen's voting record.  For example, Webb should make the point that Allen voted against the Medicare prescription coverage amendment that would have allowed the government to negotiate lower prescription prices as the Canadian government does and then voted to criminalize those who would cross over to Canada to take advantage of the the lower negotiated prices. 

The point is, we have a tremendous cache of material that can be legitimately used to put Allen on the defensive. We should be doing it now and relentlessly until November.



mickeyd (drmontoya - 7/25/2006 11:39:25 PM)
here here!


Webb needs to remain a strong Warrior (charcoal - 7/25/2006 9:57:36 PM)
I want to see the words "Webb" and "Warrior" appearing very close together in all writings.  Webb is a warrior and he has that way over on Allen, who is a chickenhawk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_%28politics%29).

Yes, Allen was able to beat Marine Corps veteran Chuck Robb and Allen is trying to swiftboat Webb's military career. We need to be wary of this, as the Repukelickins have done this on many occasions:  Reagan (military actor) vs. Carter (Navy); Bush (ANG AWOL) vs. McCain (USAF POW); Bush (lost pilot qual) vs. Gore (Army reporter in Nam);  Bush (early out) vs. Kerry (Navy Purple Heart, Silver Star); Chambliss (pussy) vs. Cleland (lost 3 limbs in Nam).  They are also working on Jack Murtha, a true hawk who realized that Iraq was a misuse of troops' lives. 

But I think Webb is different.  Webb is a fighter where many of the above mentioned Dems were caught off guard.  They could not believe a chickenhawk would have the audacity to attack a veteran's military credentials.  Yet the generally ignorant, uninformed populace bought the one-liners and talking points.

Webb needs to swing at Allen and swing for the knockout, hit below the belt, and stick his finger in Allen's eye.  Allen is a pussy and will fold like a card table when his legs are kicked out from under him. The question is: does Webb have smart, strong people advising him, or does he have the typical Dem advisors who are clueless in a street fight?

This is going to be a mean, dirty campaign -- or at least Webb better make it that way. That is the only way to pull a Rove on Allen: to come out hard, strong, and dirty. And the time for that is now.



They Really Pay You For This? (Walker Keith Armistead - 7/25/2006 10:17:55 PM)
Now Lowell would have us believe that Thomas Jefferson is a "Swift Boat Vet"?  And that an Editorial in the New York Times is in this case (but not in others) partisan?

Come on Lowell, you'll have to do better than this to keep earning those big consutant bucks.



Big consultant bucks? (Lowell - 7/26/2006 6:13:27 AM)
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.  That's hilarious; I WISH!!!  You DO realize that I gave up a FAR more lucrative career to work for NOTHING for Jim Webb back in March/April/May/June?  And that now, I'm working for a VERY modest salary, simply because I believe in Jim Webb and am trying to help him defeat George Allen?  Anyway, thanks for giving me a good belly laugh this morning.  :)


COMMENT HIDDEN (Walker Keith Armistead - 7/25/2006 10:22:18 PM)


Armistead Again (PM - 7/25/2006 10:30:11 PM)
Related to Lewis Armistead, the failed Confederate general?

Here's a slogan for your candidate: "While my opponent was foolishing risking his life in the service of his country, I was physically abusing my siblings, including my kid sister."  Yeah, it's in her book.



this is all I am saying.. (drmontoya - 7/25/2006 11:44:06 PM)
stuff like this, people (bloggers especially) are upset.. and some on here would like to believe we don't have a problem.

Sorry, I can't agree with that.

Tell me we don't have an issue when the Webb Camp promised it would put up the video "in it's entirety" and then even post a bulletin on it's site after "claiming victory" and not put it up?

And the worst of it let that snake "dickwad" and the Allen camp put it on the FRONT of Allen's page.

IF you question motives of those who question, you are not helping everyone move forward..



It looks like... (Walker Keith Armistead - 7/26/2006 3:21:30 PM)
It's on the FRONT page because he has no reasin to fear people seeing it. Why is it still not up (even on some obscure back page) on Webb's site. It was promised, you know.

Maybe Wadhams will allow you guys to link to theirs, go on, give him a call and ask.



I doubt that they'll put it up..... (Roger Jarrell - 7/26/2006 3:57:29 PM)


Sink the Swift-Boaters!! (Kindler - 7/26/2006 9:28:56 PM)
Recent history lesson:  Karl Rove's "Swift Boat" campaign to spread lies about John Kerry's war record started in August 2004.

Fast-forward to 2006.  We're exactly at the point at which Allen's mud-slingers are about to begin the campaign in earnest to attack Webb's character, and define him in the minds of the voters as some sort of hideous monster (whatever fiction they imagine will be most believable).

It's very important for the Webb campaign to do whatever they can, immediately, to get Webb's biography out there and define him in the public eye as the war hero and patriot that he is.  They may not have a lot of money, but they need to do everything possible to get in the free media.  We should all be crafting Op-Eds explaining who Jim Webb really is, to send to our local papers ASAP -- beginning with Webb himself, who is no slouch as a writer.

(P.S.: drmontoya is absolutely right to raise the alarm bells.  Never shoot the messenger if he's got a valid message.)



Obvious. (Kathy Gerber - 7/27/2006 6:11:25 AM)
I've only skimmed through all of the posturing and complaining in these comments.  Debates between candidates running for office should be public and held frequently.  They can and should be widely available to the general public in the media known as TELEVISION.  That goes for this Senate race as well as the Congressional races.

Candidates with real conviction embrace public conversation and debate on the issues.  But George Allen has already spent enough money in television to house a small village in marketing a skewed and unchallenged version of what he is all about.  And it's only July.  From the looks of it, by the time election day arrives, he will have spent enough for a small town and could help sustain it with a couple of start up businesses.

George Allen has made the choice to sell to the citizenry rather than inform them. And where the hell is the meat in these monologues?  TV commercials can make money off of puffed rice in a plastic bag and return more substance.

Meanwhile back in the real world, the struggle is becoming more difficult by the day for low income families trying to make ends meet.  Good jobs are pouring overseas, and the corporations sending them there view increasing world crises impersonally, and hold conferences on navigating these problems as a business management issue.


Top offshore providers of R&D and software engineering services as well as off-shoring experts who can help set up wholly owned subsidiaries abroad will discuss patterns for successful off-shoring; what’s risky; what’s safe and sane. Countries for special focus may include China, Malaysia, Mexico, Brazil and Southern Europe.

Enough of this moral paralysis on the part of wannabees who shun accountability from the back seat of a limo.