one. Looks like the gloves came off today kids. This is going to be one long hot summer. Poor Felix is proubly licking his wound and practicing his Suth'n Draaw'l.

This is the kind of politics I like, throwing punches with words.  Knock 'em out, Jim!!!

This is what we want to see from the Webb campaign. I saw the article in the Daily Press this morning but the Webb campaign quotes were a bit too tepid. This new response is more like what we should be expecting. Stay on offense.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-60158sy0jun27,0,7114217.story?coll=dp-widget-news

Who are you supporting in the senate race?

I should've read your Allen press release/comment. Lewis, why are you spending so much time here trolling RK? Are you employed by the Allen campaign? If so, you better find something more productive to do because no one here is taking you seriously.

Lowell, I think Lewis has overstayed his welcome. He's just here to hijack threads and not to improve the dialogue. Lewis has become disruptive and doesn't care about the RK community.

You post an Allen press release here and claim to be a nobody? Please.

Go waste your time elsewhere.

All he does is troll on every thread and disrupt the conversations.  He's contributing nothing except being a pain in the ass.

This man clearly has a quick wit and is nobody's fool.  His responses are several notches above TPP's.  The William T. Mahone statement in particular was a stroke of genius. 

Lewis you are a provocateur of the first rank and the real deal.  If we had more skeptics like you in this world we wouldn't have any need for politics or politicians.  Hopefully you can see beyond the Mudcat bias and vote for Webb this November.  We can use your vote.

Hey JPTERP... Screw You.  We are supposed to be on the same side now, asshole.

As for the rest of you who want to ban this guy, cool your jets.  You don't want this site to get a reputation for banning folks.

Let's not revive the P-word...

Let's get some serious blogging out there about Allen's record and how he, just like George Bush, has failed all Americans. 

It's a lot more productive, particularly if Webb wants to win in November.

will get you banned.  Just stick to the facts, don't hijack entire threads, and you'll be fine. 

Ash-hole

... I like the offense and ignoring of the (R)s framing.

in yours, dude.  Or is that Louise?  Either way, aren't you missing something on Fox or the Military Channel?  There you can feel like you are part of something without having to actually do anything.  Much like talking about the flag, war, and supporting our troops without actually knowing what the First Amendment is, what war is like or what supporting troops means.

And, yes I do.

 

who got his ass shot in a vainglorious, ill-considered military stunt

for your next alias, why not pick a winning general?

So I guess Mahone's founding of the first federally funded black university isn't worthy of respect?  We can't appreciate his work as an engineering achievements in Norfolk because he got shot in the backside?

Mahone may have been a Confederate, but he's clearly a guy who Virginians owe a degree of respect.  He was a man of his times, and in many ways ahead of his time.  He sounds like a great Virginian and American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Mahone

The Stars and Stripes: Symbol of America
Blood and Treasure: Actual America

George Allen on the Symbol of America: We must protect it with a Constitutional Amendment.
George Allen on America's Blood and Treasure: Whatever George Bush says is good with me.

George Allen, What has he done for America recently?

being the party of small government. Besides, if I buy a medium-size American flag and take it home to burn on a campfire, isn't that my property I'm choosing to get rid of? No matter what anyone may do with the flag in protest, no one can take away what it represents nor how we all feel patriotism in our own way. Although Ann Coulter, Cal Thomas and Rush Limbaugh on one side and Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan and Al Franken on the other side may piss off people who have opposing views, we can all appreciate living in a free society where such views can be expressed without fear of prosecution or worse. If this flag amendment passes, what's next? No burning state flags? No burning the Confederate flag in the South? No burning Irish flags in Boston?

Can we take a pledge on RK to always call the other opponent George Felix Allen Jr? This is a great call by the Webb campaign!

Hey everybody, I Live on George Bush's Lap!

How about Felix the rubber stamp?

I hate to bring up the Pravda charges that TPP brought, but ban Lewis. I'm all for conservatives who come on this board and contribute to meaningful dialogue. He's here to be a nuisance, so let's end the nuisance. Drop him.

Flag amendment dies in Senate
WASHINGTON (AP) � A constitutional amendment to ban desecration of the American flag has died in the Senate - one vote short of the number needed to send the measure to the states for ratification.
The vote was 66-34 in favor of the amendment, one short of the 67, or two-thirds vote needed. The House had approved the amendment by more than two-thirds, 286-130, last June.

Wonderful news.

At least that is what I believe.  In getting rid of nobility in 1776, we rid ourselves of our national symbol.  To fill the vacuum, we use the flag.  It is above parties, and it is constant.  In short it provides some of what was lost when we booted George III. 

Of course with 3-4 flags destroyed in protest per year, I do not think we have a problem here.

  I would never do such a thing as destroy a flag in protest, but I am a little worried what my neighbors will think if I do dispose of my well-used and worn-out flag in the proper way- with solemn respect....

...... BY FIRE !!!?

Picture this: George Felix Allen, Jr at his concession speech this fall with his wife Susan beside him in tears. George Felix says,"I am proud of what I accomplished in the Senate during my time...ehhh...well....at least gays can't get married. And during my Governorship I built so many prisons I actually helped out the education of Virginia--cause ehhh, well...., yeah, there using all those prisons as elementary schools now, gosh, gee what a great thing I did." This will be a great day in the state of Virginia, and actually will help the country too, cause the GOP won't want to use damaged goods.

George W B ush a war hero? 

Are you kidding?

And who exactly attacked Bob Dole on his war record?

Nobody.

And if you want to complain about John McCain being attacked, try looking at your own party.  More specifically in South Carolina.

but I never done anything but honor any veterans service.

If anyone did disparage Dole, McCain, and Bush Sr.'s service.  It was not I.

As I recall the major smear-job on McCain came from a push poll by Bush jr......I do not recall any critique of Dole's service-my God he lost use of his arm in action!!...I recall a one stories about something questioning Bush Sr.'s service, but it was tepid and brief.  I for one defended him openly regarding this, but still voted against him.)

Cause I want to add GW, Cheney, and Dutch Reagan. Roger?

Not one Democrat has ever called into question the patriotism and service records of Bob Dole, John McCain, Colin Powell or other Republican veterans.

Your GOP pals like Karl Rove are the master slimeballs against veterans. Remember McCain in 2000 being swiftboated by no other than W jr.?

if candidates were draft dodgers, a lot of people were draft dodgers, and Ford and Carter pardoned a lot of them. What bothers me are people who don't admit they were draft dodgers when they joined the Natl Guard (W Bush) and/or attack combat veterans' records when they speak out on war or defense (Cheney, etc.). To be fair, calling Bush Sr. a wimp in '92 was pretty unfair, considering he was blown out of the sky and nearly died in the Pacific during WWII.

Did you say "dodger" ?

Once again, evidenced of an inverted reality.  It's the hardcore righties who attack military guys who jump parties, or who run as Democrats--e.g. Wes Clark, Jim Webb, John Murtha, John Kerry, Max Cleland.  I don't know of any Democrat who has ever attacked Dole, McCain, John Warner, or Colin Powell for being "unpatriotic" simply because they didn't share our party allegiance.  The hardcore righties recognize no loyalty higher than party allegiance.  The attitude is despicable and unAmerican.

a wus and an imposter.  He can't wrap the flag tight enough around him to achieve credibility on this issue.

"George Felix Allen Jr."

The Daily Press has good coverage of this for Webb:

"U.S. Senate candidate Jim Webb verbally carpet-bombed incumbent Sen. George Allen Tuesday afternoon, launching a massive attack over differences the two candidates have over the proposed Constitutional amendment against burning the American flag."

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-fightinwords,0,800078.story?coll=dp-widget-news

... "The Webb-Miller campaign was mostly civil."

Props to Miller for not giving the press divisive fodder after the election.

Okay Virginia Right winger, Clinton did a lot more for this country and was much more liked than the current Bush (43) who sends people off to war,while he keeps himself all comfy on Air Force One. Clinton isn't a saint, but at least he lived a respectable life before the age of 40 unlike Bush (43) your probable commander in chief who did Cocaine, Went AWOL, and was an alocholic, and still is even though he won't admit it.

With attacks like these Allen is going to be begging to have a high-level debate on the issues.

George FELIX Allen.  The Nevada dude ranch.  Bush-league advisor.  Ouch.  Ouch.  Ouch.

Below the belt indeed.  It's time these Bush Republicans got a taste of their own medicine.

May I make a suggestion?  Stop getting ideas out of Anne Coulter books... You will sound better.  He didn't say you couldnt have a position unless you served all he is saying is don't accuse someone of not patriotic when you dont know what the hell (sorry about the langauge Lowell) you are talking about.  What people like Murtagh, Sheehan, and the Jersey women are saying is "we have first hand experience with what it is that you are talking about and here is how we feel about it."  No one said you couldn't respond to their political statements all people ask is that you have the decency to not lower yourself to personal attacks and the degregation of their service or experience.  I think the Republican attack machine is despicable and they are finally getting what they deserve.

Go back to your "Nevada Dude Ranch." Prance about in your Leslie Howard Civil War costume and leave the governing to the grown-ups.

Felix! I love it! So Frenchified!

He coulda' been named jaques.

I was talking about Bush senior, not W.

And if you think joining the national guard isn't the real military, then you need to pull your head out of your ass as I am personally offended by that.

Anyway, now that I've clarified that we can get on to the important stuff.

The point I am trying to make is that it is hypocritical to raise 1 man up as a war hero, while at the same time trying to play down another's role as a draft dodger.

I'm not saying that there isn't hypocracy in the GOP. I am simply pointing out hypocracy in the Democratic Party.

NO ONE will argue these facts:
1. Webb is a genuine war hero and this is being played up greatly.
2. Clinton was a draft-dodger; a fact the Democratic Party downplayed as he ran each time against a world war 2 veteran.

Those are 2 simple facts; YOU interpret what they mean.

Just giving the swiftboat warning.  Attack our guy and we fight back this time.  Thanks for serving our country!

plus a phony Southern California "cowboy" and "confederate."  Those are facts too, care to argue?

or my democratic dad, who was exempted for having a pregnant wife, or my ultra-conservative father-in-law, who avoided Vietnam by "working the system" is some very questionable ways while in the regular army.

All of them did it legally.  Clinton just did it by being a Rhodes scholar.  W did it by jumping a bunch of people in line to get the coveted seats in the Texas National Gaurd at a time when the National Gaurd (almost without exception) was not sent overseas.

History101:  During the Vietnam War era the NG was a non-combat haven for fortunate-sons that wanted to avoid hostile action.  It was extremely hard to get into - a front for draft-dodgers.

Post-Vietnam, military planners (Like Colin Powell) worked hard to make the NG part of the combat force. The idea being that by making them part of the mobilization to war, it would be harder for dumbass civilian pentagon planners to make stupid wars like Vietnam.

Well, Colin Powell didn't account for the complete negligent incompetence of the Bush Administration and the NG bears witness.  Class dismissed.

God  Bless America!

As I've said elsewhere, Webb needs to get on message.  No need to dwell on these hot button issues aimed at bringing out the Republican base.

Webb needs to define himself and take Allen to task for his votes that have damaged our nation at home and abroad.

One can't win by playing into the hand of his opponent.

Webb's not running a "generic" Democrat campaign. 

on multiple threads, even ones unrelated to your comment (e.g, the estate tax) is a sure way to get banned very quickly from RK.  By the way, I notice you just signed up this morning, "Cadet Strange."  Welcome aboard...for the moment.

Having issues, cadet John BS?

Armistead and Strange were VMI alumni.

Our little troll is keydet.

He's a lawyer and was born in l967.

Shouldn't be too hard to figure out who he is.

Much like Armistead, John B. Strange served in various Virginia regiments. 

He was killed at the Battle of South Mountain (Maryland) on September 14, 1862 and is buried at Maplewood Cemetery, Charlottesville, VA.

Lew Armistead was killed at Gettysburg roughly a year later.

Norris Weese? 
_____

Armistead was a west pointer.

... from 1850 to 1853 (standing 21 in a class of 25), he studied under Thomas J. (later 'Stonewall') Jackson while there.

See this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Addison_Armistead

According to this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Military_Institute

the Virginia Military Institute was not founded until 1839.

He was commissioned in the U.S. Army in 1839...the very year that VMI was founded.

I had a different Armistead... Gen. Henry Beauford Armistead

I made the same mistake.
They're probably cousins.

I wouldn't be surprised.

If Webb wants to win in November, he needs a disciplined campaign.  Webb, as a military man and a former SecNav, understands the need for discipline.

One of the last comments in this string attacked me and said Webb is not running a "generic" Democratic campaign.  So be it.  But he still must follow certain time-tested precepts that insure that voters get his message and have a reason to support him over the incumbent.

The tactics used by the Webb campaign, his volunteers, and his bloggers, worked in a low turnout primary composed only of Democratic activists, but those same tactics won't translate into a victory in November unless the Webb team opens it doors and takes advice from those of us who have done this -- and won -- a few times before.

Attack me if you like, but please read what I say before you lash out. 

We are on the same team.  It's just that you Webbies are still in the dugout and a lot of power hitters and All Stars are still watching the game from the cheap seats. It seems that the coach and a lot of the rookie players don't want to let them play.

Did you support Webb in the primary?
You volunteer for anything?
Have you contributed any money?
Planted a web yard sign?

let's give TPP a chance.  Things got a little ugly during the primary and let's not relive those battles again. 

Let's move forward and fight Allen, not ourselves.

If TPP is really an Allen troll we'll find out soon enough.  For now I'm willing to take him at his word and look forward to his positive contributions.

...what TPP is doing NOW for Jim Webb.  Is he giving money?  Tabling?  Phone banking?  Marching in a parade?  What?

I supported Miller and I was proud of it.  I gave him money.  I have given many other Democrats money over the years here in Virginia and nationally.

Now I am a Webb supporter.  I will vote for Webb and encourage those in my sphere of influence to vote the same way.  Besides that, at least for now, I will watch and root for the Webb campaign from the sidelines.

While I truly want Webb to win, I don't have much interest in getting too close to a group of people such as those on this blog. 

I have no inclination to work beside people who continue to question my politics and the politics of other Miller supporters.  I have no desire to join with people who attack me and others because we were strong Miller supporters and because we fought back with the same tactics this blog and others used against Miller.

I don't want to and don't have to join a campaign where no one will listen to me.  I know I am a good Democrat and I have the victories, the credentials, and yes, the scars, to prove it.

I also want to see some positive action on the part of the Webb campaign before I jump in.  Right now, from the outside looking in, it appears to be in a state of confusion with little money or direction. 

Webb is getting better with his public speaking, but he still has a way to go.  He needs to be more specific.  It's great to hear him talk about his father and his Scot-Irish ancestors. It's great to hear him congratulate his bloggers and primary supporters and call for the Reagan Democrats to come him. 

But what I am not hearing is more important. I haven't heard a positive issue-oriented agenda come out of Webb's mouth.  I still haven't heard him go into details on issues.  I am not ready to listen to empty rhetoric like "bush-league lapdogs" this early in the campaign when Webb has yet to define himself to most of Virginia's voters.

If you continue to intimidate those who want to help but have questions, if you continue to believe that every word Webb says is beyond reproach, and if you continue to think that the tactics you used in the primary will win the general election, then I will keep my distance, give money to the congressional candidates like Phil Kellam and Judy Feder, and watch the Webb campaign with remorse and curiosity until I cast my ballot for him in November.

I will do my duty as a Democrat.  So don't call me a damn Republican...

...and that is where they shall stay, in the past.

Our slate is officially clean.

Now let's make life miserable for George Felix Allen, Jr. - Fake-riot.

For your honest words.

Many here are quick to call others Republicans because we disagree with their statements.

Keep rooting for Webb, and let us know when you feel comfortable jumping in.

So which races have you won? Would be glad to hear more about your successes.

No need to insult the grassroots campaign that brought Webb to the table on this one. If you were on the same team you wouldn't do that.

Some people worked for months with no pay to gather signatures to draft Webb, put him on the ballot, and ran a 100 day campaign to beat an entrenched, big-money candidate. Glad that you're eager to show up here late at the party.

But we've sacrificed. If you "power hitters" and "All Stars" over there in DC, who've done a fucking stellar job of standing up to George Bush and Dick Cheney in the last six years, want to come in and get all the credit that's fine with me.

All I care about is getting Jim Webb elected to the US Senate. But I'm getting tired of "the pros" in Washington that actually keep fucking up worse than any amateur could ever imagine telling the people what they "should" do. I mean were you on the Gore and Kerry races?

Seriously though, give me the names of races that you have personally been in that won. Or just sit home and count your consultant cash and leave democracy to those for whom it was intended: the people.

Not sure what you think you have. Are there numerous speeding tickets in Virginia issued to a David M? Various civil matters...certainly you bluster.

My comments were issued to a Thomas Paine, not you Norris so please keep your Republican threats in their sheeth. I'm not interested in your pettiness.

I'm looking for an answer from TP.

David M,

You, sir, are the prime example of why people like me are reluctant to jump into the Webb campaign.

I have worked presidentials, senate races, and local races.  Many of them for no pay and many of them for far longer than 100 days.

I have put out signs in the rain, advanced candidates in the most god-awful places, and gathered signature for petitions.  I spent plenty of time in the grassroots.  And the answer to your question about Gore and Kerry is yes.

So don't give me this crap about "sacrifice."

Who, as you say, is looking for "credit?"  Who is a DC "power hitter" or "All Star."  Are all Miller supporters who now want to help viewed as being "late for the party?"

You attack those who offer constructive advice.  You criticize those who supported Webb's opponent.  You condemn those who currently work as Democrats in Washington.  Who do you like other than the 3,000 dyed-in-the-wool Webb supporters?

Keep up your holier than thou chatter.  Polish that chip on your shoulder.  Continue to alienate the mainstream Democrats with your over-the-top rhetoric, and you will stand alone.

That is not good for Webb or for the Democratic Party.

David M,

You must be new around here.

My moniker is TPP for Thomas Paine Patriot, not TP.

-- Thomas Paine Patriot

Not new here. Just refuse to acknowledge your self-dubbed Patriot "Moniker"

Your name is Thomas Paine, hence TP.

If you actually look at when I was born into the RK world you will see that I am 10 days older than you.

Your Personal ID 1451
My Personal ID is 1419

I often ignore what doesn't interest me. But I do remember you.

had he called you TPP, you may been upset he was "stuck in the past."

You are and if you continuously come here to pick at Webb supporters, forgive us if we tend to believe that you are really supporting Allen.  If it looks like a, and smells like a, then it's a....GOPer

Let me put this more clearly, my response was to the last line of one of your posts which read:

"It's just that you Webbies are still in the dugout and a lot of power hitters and All Stars are still watching the game from the cheap seats."

I mean, you almost sound humble here.

Please let me know if you are a "power hitter" or an "All-Star" because I'd love to hear you rattle off your successes. Ah, you mentioned Presidentials, Senate campaigns; local...can I get some names. Did you carry Bob Shrums brief case of great ideas?

And finally, let's not associate me with the campaign. That would be a disservice to Jim and all those who have supported him for so long. Like many others I like what Jim Webb stands for and understand its importance to Virginia, the Democratic party and America as a whole. Because of that I went into the Webb campaign headquarters and volunteered for 2 months before the primary. There were a lot of people that put in a lot of hard work and many that put in way more hours than I could at the time, but all are welcome.

If you were a Miller supporter, great. That race is over.
There are many, myself included, that would be glad to see you at the Webb headquarters. If you are a "power hitter" or an "All Star," then come on in. We need everybody we can get to defeat George Allen now and they are going to inflict wounds much bigger than anything either of us experienced in the primary.

She just posted this to me...to us....

George Allen has a race on his hands.

That's what respected pollster John Zogby said after his recent poll showed Jim Webb within six points of Allen -- a razor thin margin given that Allen is an incumbent.

Allen's campaign manager called the poll a "joke"�but at the same time he's running $1 million in television ads to polish up Allen's weak record in the Senate.

It seems George Allen is running scared. Help us keep him on the run by donating to our campaign before Friday's June 30th end-of-quarter deadline.

http://webbforsenate.com/contribute

Poll numbers will ebb and flow, but one fact is clear: the people of Virginia are ready for a change. While Jim intends to run a positive race on the issues, I'm afraid that our opponents are preparing to take the low road in an all-out effort to hang on to this seat. And they’ve already started.

On Tuesday, George Allen and his campaign implied that Jim’s position in support of the Free Speech Amendment to the U.S. Constitution amounted to a political act and not a defense of our Constitution.
The fact is Allen and his campaign have not earned the right to challenge Jim Webb’s position on free speech and flag burning. As Steve Jarding said, “While Jim Webb and others of George Felix Allen Jr.’s generation were fighting for our freedoms and for our symbols of freedom in Vietnam, George Felix Allen Jr. was playing cowboy at a dude ranch in Nevada. People who live in glass dude ranches should not question the patriotism of real soldiers who fought and bled for this country on a real battlefield.�

Provide us the resources we need to fight back against these weak-kneed attacks by cowards. Please rush a contribution to our campaign in the next 48 hours before Friday’s midnight deadline!

http://webbforsenate.com/contribute
We shouldn't be surprised that the attacks are already coming. Just take a look at the advisors Allen has hired.

Allen has hired Mary Matalin, a long-time advisor to Dick Cheney. He's hired Chris Lacivita, the architect of the Swift Boat campaign that smeared John Kerry's war record. And he's hired Dick Wadhams, a man whose last race featured the despicable intimidation of Native American voters and campaign workers breaking the law.

These are some of the roughest operatives in the business. With a $7 million war chest, there is no limit to the tactics they can use against Jim.

That's their team. Our team is all of you. We need to raise as much money as possible by the June 30th end-of-quarter deadline to respond to Allen's negative attacks and give Jim the resources he needs to campaign around the state.

Please contribute to Jim Webb's campaign before the June 30th end-of-quarter deadline. If you give us the resources, you have our word that we'll keep fighting until November -- and that on election day, Jim Webb will be the new senator for Virginia.

http://webbforsenate.com/contribute

Thank you for your support.

Sincerely,

Jessica Vanden Berg
Campaign Manager

P.S. Please contribute to our campaign today, and then forward this message to your friends. Invite them to join our campaign to bring true leadership back to the United States Senate.

Ok dudes and dudets I know I am preaching to the choir, but what Jessica just blogged is true. Just ask anyone who has ever campainged against Allen, especially now that he is cornered--He is one MEAN SON-OF-A-BITCH and will stop at NOTHING to win. Believe me, he'll have some poor dude from Southwest Virginia do the dirty work for him, spreading rumours whatever. NOTHING should surprise you at how F'ng low George Felix will go. He is a sick bastard, and very much like Dubya, combine that with a mean campaign team that Jessica pointed out and this campaign is going to get UGLY. Hopefully Webb will some how use this to his advantage. George Felix Allen as all Hard core right wingers depends on Stupid rednecks(as opposed to cool rednecks)that want to shoot first and ask questions later to get him in office--that being the case look out. A cornered George Felix Allen, Jr will be something to watch.

Or, could it be that the campaign can't afford anyone with a winning background?

As far as money goes with the Webb campaign, obviously he needs it, but the case against George Felix Allen, Jr redneck is so concrete that Webb should be able to beat him with 1/4 of Felix Allen, Jrs budget. That being said, send Webb money anyway!!