The reviews are in! The Candy Cane Davis holiday special stinks! (#6)

By: Rob
Published On: 1/18/2006 2:00:00 AM

With the Christmas season ending, people are taking stock of their gifts - those to keep and those to return. And they?re thinking about all those holiday sales and specials.  One ?special? in particular ? Rep. Jo Ann Davis?s drama about poor little candy canes ? has got a lot of people talking. And not in a good way. I?ll start posting the reviews for your reading enjoyment.

Roanoke Times weighs in:

Virginia, the commonwealth, not the child, has Reps. Jo Ann Davis and Virgil Goode to thank for their perseverance in saving Christmas from the imaginary attack on its very spirit and nature. But if Fox News Channel commentator Bill O'Reilly says it's so, Christmas must be under attack by anti-Christmas forces.

Christmas could die if store clerks fail to wish it merry thousands of times a day, or if children forgo red and green icing for their cakes or if cities across the nation light holiday trees.

Food stamps for the hungry, homes for Katrina victims, heat for the poor, money to run the war, inhumane treatment, erosion of civil rights, the boundless world of troubles -- all can wait. Tinsel, mistletoe and holiday shopping debt cannot.

Of course those things can wait for Rep. Davis.  Saving the candy canes of the country is more important than, say, homeland security.

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Comments



Funny, no one from D (Alex - 4/4/2006 11:26:59 PM)
Funny, no one from Davis' office ever responded back to my letter on the subject, and they're usually pretty quick.


Today, Congresswoman (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:27:47 PM)
Today, Congresswoman Harris announced she was returning all of her MZM donations, $50,000 worth.  The only person to take more than her:  Virginia Republican Congressman Virgil Goode.  What will he do?  On a side note, can he return the multimillion dollar MZM contract his committee awarded to his district, that the government did not even want?

More here



I'd like to see some (Nell - 4/4/2006 11:27:47 PM)
I'd like to see some support for the CSM's statement that Goode "has since offered to return the money." The only report I've seen says he's considering what to do (meaning he'll return it if he feels heat.)


Goode says (and I do (Waldo Jaquith - 4/4/2006 11:27:47 PM)
Goode says (and I don't doubt him) that he sent letters to every employee of MZM who contributed to his campaign, offering to refund their contribution if they felt that their contribution was coerced.  Two MZM employees took him up on his offer.  I can understand why more wouldn't do so -- in asking for their money back, they're essentially admitting that they were party to a crime, which would be a expedient method of being fired and, presumably, become a subject of a federal investigation.


Time for a Democrat (JC - 4/4/2006 11:27:47 PM)
Time for a Democrat to step forward in the 7th and challenge Cantor head-to-head.  People are sick of corruption: it's time to give them a clear choice.

April 14th is the deadline for filing: get off the fence and run!



Dear J.C. Wilmore, (Dr. Brad Blanton - 4/4/2006 11:27:47 PM)
Dear J.C. Wilmore,

I am in the race! And with the support of many many Democrats. Please read this. I have written it for you and other Democrats and progressives and independents and independent Republicans in the District. Thanks!  Brad Blanton:
If you had a representative in our “representative” government really giving voice to your convictions, what would you want them to say?

Would you want someone with the courage of their convictions to speak the truth—absent political expediency?  Would you want someone to be a champion for peace? 

These are questions that I’ve dealt with deeply as a psychotherapist in Washington, D.C. for over 25 years, and are behind my decision to devote the remainder of my life to public service. I intend to use my professional expertise as an author, seminar leader and social scientist, and my devoted enthusiasm for honesty, to win a seat in Congress in District Seven in Virginia. I want to represent the voices of many people with a variety of perspectives, but whose values are at variance with those in the White House today.

I am selling my home and dedicating the next year of my life--and over $100,000 from my own (modest) pocket–to this work. I need your help to bring into being a new majority in my district and in the country. I want to invent, with your help, some new kind of affiliation out of mutual self interest that reaches across the ways of thinking we are used to, and then have that new majority reflected in Congress.

I think George Bush is wrong. Many of my Republican friends who initially supported him agree. Many who thought George Bush would be a true conservative are now asking, “What has he conserved?  Money? No. Peace? No. The environment? No. Unity? No. Freedom? No.” So now we are asking together, an even more ominous question.  “What has he depleted?”

Some of what we have lost is expressed Jimmy Carter’s new book, Our Endangered Values. The US is holding children as young as 8 years of age who have been captured in Afghanistan and Iraq in prison camps–including Guantanamo. Worse yet, Donald Rumsfeld knows about it and has known for quite some time, and continues to keep them there. "After visiting six of the twenty-five or so US prisons, the International Committee of the Red Cross reported registering 107 detainees under eighteen, some as young as eight years old.” The Journalist Seymour Hersh reported in May 2005 that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had received a report that there were "800-900 Pakistani boys age 13-15 in custody." The International Red Cross, Amnesty International, and the Pentagon have gathered substantial testimony of torture of children, confirmed by soldiers who witnessed or participated in the abuse. In addition to personal testimony from children about physical and mental mistreatment, a report from Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, formerly in charge of Abu Ghraib, described a visit to an eleven year old detainee in the cell block that housed high risk prisoners. The general recalled that the child was weeping, and "he told me he was almost twelve," and that "he really wanted to see his mother, could he please call his mother." Children like this eleven year old have been denied the right to see their parents, a lawyer, or anyone else, and were not told why they were detained.

The people in our government have gone too far. These are not the values we stand for. This growing realization, along with a growing sense of nausea, is now growing a new majority.

There are other values we have been surprised to see transgressed: Starting a war under false pretenses, imprisoning people without recourse to the courts, arranging for people to be tortured here and in other countries—including innocent people. These actions clearly reflect a belief that the ends justify the means. Even if done in the name of a so-called “war on terrorism” —these are not the moral values we stand for. More and more of us are coming to see that the means create the ends. These means are too mean. Means that create more hurt and conflict and terror are contrary to creating peace. Jane Addams, (Nobel Peace Prize, 1931) said, "True peace is not merely the absence of war; it is the presence of justice."

The fundamental injustice of corporate favoritism over the health, happiness and common wealth of the people, is the source of many of these other injustices. The defense industry needs conflict to stay in business. An ever larger group of us are beginning to get this.

Congressman Eric Cantor still confesses to completely support the goals and methods of the Bush administration. Those of us who disagree think honesty is what’s been missing. We believe honesty leads to a new progressive conservative agenda. We believe a deeper level of honesty will allow all the people of the world to do a better job of conserving human, financial and natural resources, to everyone’s mutual benefit. Trust is built through openness, not secrecy. Allies, who tell and are told the truth, rather than being manipulated with false evidence, provide the best mutual security.

Here is a brief history of my short political career. With a little help from my friends in 2004 I got my name on the ballot for Congress and we got over 24% of the vote. We spent only $4000 on the whole campaign. Even though nobody really knew anything about me, a quarter of the voters in the district, even back then, didn’t want to vote for an incumbent Bush Republican.

Since then a lot more has come out about lying and secrecy and illegal activity by Bush loyalists. I expect to be one of the replacements that will change the balance of power in Congress. My main base of support in District Seven is Independents, who vote for the person, not the party. With no Democrat in the race, many loyal Democrats are also my enthusiastic supporters. A growing number of Republicans now agree that the priorities of the Bush administration are not really the moral values we stand for. When I am elected in November, I won’t be alone. People opposing the current administration will likely be the new majority in both houses in 2006. We will create solutions based on a new perspective, put some constraint on the last two years of the Bush administration, and possibly remove Bush and Cheney from office.

If I get enough money and play my cards right, I can win:
• We have in hand a detailed Campaign Plan laid out by a grassroots agency with proven experience winning campaigns.
• Polls show significant, growing disapproval of congress's performance.
• My opponent, Eric Cantor, is a Bush Republican whose voting record is almost exactly like Tom Delay’s (98.5% correlation).
• George Bush and those around him are getting caught lying, cheating, stealing and proving their incompetence—creating an apparently unending supply of investigations and indictments.
• The war in Iraq and the economy are probably going completely to hell by November.
• We have a full time campaign manager, a brilliant advisory group, a support group of a couple of hundred people, and are hiring a full time fund raiser/field operations director in January.
• Our excellent campaign mottos are funnier than Cantor’s. (THE TRUTH WILL (up) SET YOU FREE!)
• We have already raised $20,000, plan to raise $18,000 more by mid January, and one and a half million by September.
• We are contacting and creating networks of people through personal contacts in key precincts and World Cafés are being conducted on an ongoing basis.
• We will register 20,000 new voters for an extra margin of victory.
• We have a growing network of support all over the country, and a year to campaign.
• I can get on national TV and radio shows I have been on before as an author and replay them and give them out as DVD’s in the district.
• We’re in one of the least expensive media markets in the U.S.

In November, 2005, in the election for Governor, Democrat Tim Kaine won. Bush came out at the last minute to campaign for Kilgore, (who lost 2 points overnight in the polls as a result!) Kilgore did carry our very gerrymandered congressional District—but by much less than expected. 60 of the 234 precincts in our district went for Kaine. 130 were just barely won by Kilgore. The remainder (44 precincts) got him a winning margin of less than 2% in this district while losing overall by 3 1/2%. 

A big majority of the Independents, all the Democrats, some Republicans disillusioned with Bush, a lot of newly registered folks, and some newly inspired folks who registered but didn’t vote the last time, could make up a new majority in this district. I have a good chance of winning those 190 precincts that Kaine won or came close in.

We plan to do a press release in late January about the support we have and the money we have raised this early in the campaign. If I can show strong financial backing, the media will take this challenge to the incumbent seriously and it will set the tone for the entire campaign. If you are willing to give money, your contribution now is worth a lot because all future fund raising efforts depend on money being used now to meet new people to contribute money later.

The maximum legal contribution is $2100 per individual, or $4,200 per couple. Please give at this level. If you can’t do it all at once, contribute as much as you can now—and then pledge the rest for the months following. If you like you can give us a credit card number and permission to charge some each month.

I need to raise $1,400,000 more to cover what it takes to win. My opponent already has 1.2 million dollars in his war chest. You can call me any time, day or night, particularly when you want to contribute money. The campaign number is 540 778 9932. Home 540 778 2982. Cell 540 421 6668. Please stand with me to create a new majority. Give until it feels good. Tell everyone you know about this campaign unceasingly. Sign up for our newsletter, list the names of your friends who would want to know about us, and ask them to give money to us all year long. Here’s to the new majority! 
  Brad Blanton 
P.S. Also, please come and bring a bunch of your friends for a full day of work at the polls on Election Day. We need 2000 volunteers that day. Then stay for the party! 



Wow, how big will hi (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:27:48 PM)
Wow, how big will his contributions be to hit a million dollars? Will he try and get a thousand $1000 donations? Or is he shooting for higher dollar donations?


Is it true that he c (UVA Admit - 4/4/2006 11:27:48 PM)
Is it true that he cannot transfer any of his PAC's money to a future presidential campaign account? I assume by mid/early 2007, he will open an exploratory one just like Dubya did in March 1999?


Oh yeah, don't forge (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:28:24 PM)
Oh yeah, don't forget that one movie that claims Jefferson was involved in writing some sort of coded message on the back of the Declaration of Independence. It leads to some big treasure or something.

How can anyone compete with that? Jefferson clearly has the advantage here. :-)



To correctly compare (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:28:24 PM)
To correctly compare someone to Jefferson you need to look at the other important things he did, such as wearing an occasional powdered white wig and invented double paine windows. Warner doesn't wear a wig at all!

Jefferson also did a few less important things like purchase 1/2 of America for like $25 and write some document called the declaration of independence. You know, the normal stuff that most Americans do in their lifetime.



Warner is a breath o (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:28:24 PM)
Warner is a breath of fresh air to me. I'm much more of a centerist than a right or left winger. Warner's style of governance, devoid of the melodrama we've gotten used to, would be an exciting change.


Lay it on as thick a (Alice Marshall - 4/4/2006 11:28:24 PM)
Lay it on as thick as you want Davis, Gov. MARK Warner is still gonna campaign for your Democratic opponent.


I'm with Steve on th (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:28:24 PM)
I'm with Steve on this one.  Let the Kilgore campaign be the last divisive political campaign in American history and I'll say RIP.

It's not about wings or even party, it's about vision, experience, and excellence. 

Would I like to live in Jerry Kilgore's America? no.  Do I enjoy living in George Bush's America?  No.  But I'd love to live in Mark Warner's America, that's for sure.

Preferably with somebody besides Davis in congress from the 11th.



In other words, Tony (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:28:25 PM)
In other words, Tony, Bush was forced into this one to save his sinking Presidency...it's called desperation.


Someone made this co (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:28:25 PM)
Someone made this comment on another thread about the Republican Party: "they treat everyone like chumps, whether it's the Indians or the Christian Right."  Exactly.

Another comment from that same thread: "The Dobsonites should have known better than to think their leaders were 'one of them.' It's hard to believe they fell for it. Rich people are rich people. Aint nothing more important than money. And rich people lie so easily... that's why they're rich. Can't believe they fell for it."



Tony: NO!!! What I (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:28:25 PM)
Tony:  NO!!!  What I'm saying is that Republican operatives like to keep abortion, "gay marriage," etc. as issues!  They know they're playing with the Christian Fundamentalists but believe they can control them.  However, sometimes they get burned, like with Harriet Miers. Now, they may actually get a Supreme Court that DOES overturn Roe v. Wade. I'm certain Karl Rove's not happy about this, not happy at all.


Do we have a case he (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:28:25 PM)
Do we have a case here of the Sorcerer's Apprentice? Bush, apprentice to Karl Rove, raised the so-called Christian Fundamentalist bugaboo (the broom), thinking he could easily control them for his purposes, but then discovered the supposed servent of his magic got away from him. And now Bush can't control his instrument, they control him. Or is it that, with Rove the real master sorcerer distracted, Bush the Apprentice let the whole scheme get away from him? And the rest of America suffers.  Anyway, it's all Black Magic and the Faustian bargain (to mix a few metaphors) is unravelling.


Maybe if these issue (RickyD - 4/4/2006 11:28:25 PM)
Maybe if these issues were "resolved" the Bushies would need to start a war or something to take the public attention away from the fact that they are ruining the country.

Wait they have already done that!



Tony - I guess you d (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:28:25 PM)
Tony - I guess you didn't notice the Christian right-wing outrage over Harriet Miers?  The GOP playbook is to not give everything to the "wackos" to keep their issues alive.  But the "wackos" revolted this time, forcing the anti-Roe crisis upon us (in the form of Alito in the Supreme Court and Kilgore in the Commonwealth)


I wouldn't call that (RickyD - 4/4/2006 11:28:25 PM)
I wouldn't call that news.  It is easy to hear if you ever listen to Rush Limbaugh!


But this is in black (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:28:25 PM)
But this is in black and white, the Republican Party playbook for all to see.  Think about it, every four years the Republican platform is strongly favorable to Fundamentalist Christians, then those same Republicans spend the next four years doing absolutely nothing to advance that agenda.  Gee, you think they might prefer to have things like abortion and "gay marriage" as an issue, rather than actually DO something about them?  Duh....


I think the "blows u (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
I think the "blows up at you" thing is largely a myth built up to scare the majority into thinking they're persecuted.  Seriously, is such a big deal that Congress needs to get involved?


I have to disagree h (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
I have to disagree here and agree with Drake. I personally think there needs to be a shift in spending in the Military. We need fewer submarines, tanks and battleships and more Seals, Delta, Airborne, Rangers and Snipers.

Special operations forces are the military of the future. Smaller units can get into areas that big units cannot. This is critical when dealing with Terrorists.



Aren't these the sam (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
Aren't these the same people who just got a bunch of "F" grades from the 9/11 Commission?  Aren't these the same people who totally screwed up the initial response to Hurricane Katrina, and continue to screw it up?  Aren't these the same people who took a budget surplus and turned it into huge deficits?  Aren't these...well, you get the picture.  The point is, why should I listen to a word that Thelma Drake or any of these Bush/Cheney/DeLay Republicans have to say?  (That, by the way, was a rhetorical question. Heh.)


I'm Christian and I (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
I'm Christian and I don't really care what you call Christmas. All that is important to me is the day not the name.


The funny thing abou (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
The funny thing about this is that the only people pissed about the wording are the Christians. How many jews, muslums, hindus, atheists have you known that asked you to say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas". I have known zero.

It's the Christians raising a fuss over what others want to say. So now i'm going to say Happy Holidays just to get under their skin.

Don't our congressmen/women have more important things to worry about?



Ironically, the Chri (Laura - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
Ironically, the Christmas Tree actually has pagan origins and was adopted by the early Christians in order to turn the Pagan mid-winter celebration into a Christian holiday. Santa, we all know, has nothing to do with religion but is completely and absolutely secular. Yes, he may have originated with St. Nicholas, but was changed by a poet and we no longer associate him with any religious meaning.  So really, neither of these has anything to do with the Christ in Christmas. If she really wanted to fire the bases, why didn't she use some of the other religious symbols out there?


You meant challengin (dsquared - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
You meant challenging Davis -- not challenging Drake. Though as we know Drake has Phil Kellam and David Ashe to contend with. And that one may actually get rather serious...


Teddy, your metaphor (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
Teddy, your metaphor is quite apt.  Bush is the apprentice. Watch the water drown us all.


Kate - great point. (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
Kate - great point. Jon Stewart made this point (in his own comedic way) on Wed.'s Daily Show that "Happy Holidays" is plural, hence referring to both Christmas and New Years. 


This whole "war on C (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
This whole "war on Christmas" thing is utterly ridiculous.  There's no "war on Christmas" in this country: never has been, never will be.  Great way for right-wing groups to get their folks all riled up and giving them money, though, I bet!

Can someone please explain to me, by the way, how on earth saying "happy holidays," especially to a mixed group of people where you don't know their religions, can possibly be offensive?  Isn't it just common courtesy?  Now, when it comes to the US Government, we get into separation of church and state issues.  Simply stated, the government should not be favoring any one religion over any other.  Thus, the President of the United States, acting in his official capacity as President, seems to be absolutely right - at least in a constitutional sense - in saying "happy holidays."  Obviously, in George W. Bush's personal life, he can wish whomever he wants "Merry Christmas," "Happy Kwanza," "Happy Hannukah," or whatever.  So what's the problem here again?  Or is this all just a big distraction from the pitiful performance of "conservatives" in Congress and the White House the past few years?



Yeah, I was wonderin (Mark T. Blair - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
Yeah, I was wondering why nobody was challenging Frank Wolf either.  What a shame that we have two perfectly good challengers for Thelma Drake and zero for Frank Wolf. 


Chris: What do you t (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
Chris: What do you think? Churches.

sigh.



Dan: I agree, we ne (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
Dan:  I agree, we need to challenge EVERY Republican.
Rob:  Not that I've heard of.
Chris: First, they have to rebuild Trent Lott's house so Dubya can go and sit on his porch...heh.


Gee, aren't casinos (Chris from ASL - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
Gee, aren't casinos a big part of the Gulf Coast's economy? What would you replace them with?


are there any prospe (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
are there any prospects of a challenge?


They'll have to buil (Chris from ASL - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
They'll have to build unique churches.

Hey, maybe Pat Robertson can go down there and so can Jerry Falwell, both can set up satellite campuses of their institutions.  If they're reading this and are serious about morality, setting up something like that might be a good step in their "right" direction.

Everyone needs to remember that the Mississippi and Alabama coast's economy was based on tourism. So, if Representative Wolf and others are serious about rebuilding the Gulf Coast the right way, they'll need to come up with viable alternatives that did the same thing the casinos did: create jobs for citizens and build revenue for localities that didn't have much previously. Or else, we will have a different set of moral problems to deal with, that may have bigger consequences.



That segment was cla (Chris from ASL - 4/4/2006 11:28:26 PM)
That segment was classic...


I dont read too much (uva08 - 4/4/2006 11:28:41 PM)
I dont read too much into this poll especially when it comes to polling on Webb.  While I think he will have a tough road to travel I do not think his numbers would be as low if people knew who he was.  Look at Leslie Byrne, for example.  People know a little bit more about her and she's doing slightly better in the polls.  I think if people knew Webb was the Secretary of Navy and his background the numbers would be far better.  More in Webb's column, less in Allens, and a lot more undecided.


Also note that Allen (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:28:41 PM)
Also note that Allen beats Webb, Byrne, Peterson, and my personal favorite (just kidding) Ben Affleck, by 20-30 points each.  D'oh!


I'm not sure how i f (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:28:41 PM)
I'm not sure how i feel about having Affleck run. If he runs, he'll lose. That's bad. If he wins, George Allen can't run in 2008 for President. That's good.

On the other hand, if Affleck runs it'll be a nationally watched race in all the grocery store celebrity magazines. That means George Allen will get cheap publicity nationally. In 2008 everyone in the country will know George Allen's name. That's bad.



Good point Steve, I (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:28:41 PM)
Good point Steve, I didn't consider the tabloid factor. 

Win or lose, if Allen does have quality competition, he would have to spend significantly more time on the Senate race and less on the Presindential.  That may give the advantage to other R candidates for the nomination.



I just received a pr (william payne - 4/4/2006 11:28:52 PM)
I just received a prerecorded message on my answering machine bashing Tim Kaine's stance on gay marriage, abortion, etc. It comes across as a Russ Potts campaign add but it was funded by the "Honest Leadership for VA PAC."  I know this isn't ethical, but is it legal?


Excellent post, Rob. (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:28:52 PM)
Excellent post, Rob.  Can't wait to see what you come up with next. Thanks!


Broaddus is a good g (Paul - 4/4/2006 11:28:52 PM)
Broaddus is a good guy. I saw him speak on this very issue (the death penalty). He's a former supporter who feels like we have killed innocent people...


If the folks in "Hon (Diane Ullius - 4/4/2006 11:28:52 PM)
If the folks in "Honest Leadership for Virginia" were indeed honest, they'd be saying that they are supporting Kilgore and that their money is from the Republican Governors. The group's very existence is disgusting, but the automated calls they've been making to liberal households--those are absolutely shocking.


Paul: I'm sure Broa (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:28:52 PM)
Paul:  I'm sure Broaddus IS a good guy, and a MILLION times more thoughtful on this complex issue than Kilgore and Company.


Sam, your link is no (Jenny - 4/4/2006 11:29:09 PM)
Sam, your link is not working. But I get your point about the absentee ballot strategy that the repubs have. They are definately doing much better thatn what we're doing, but time will tell come Tues. Dems needs an overhaul of our gotv efforts cos they haven't worked well these past 2 election cycles.

Here's the link to the daily press article on Absentee ballots. Hope it works.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--gop-absentee1101nov01,0,2441133.story?coll=dp-headlines-virginia



Why can't Democrats (Jenny - 4/4/2006 11:29:09 PM)
Why can't Democrats think outside the box, and get serious about GOTV efforts? It's always the same failed strategy. Take a freaking playbook from the Republicans. Use targeted mailings - it WORKS. Kaine campaign spends 7% of its budget on mailings, Kilgore 15%. Unless we turn to new ideas, we'll always lose. 

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--gop-absentee1101nov01,0,2441133.story?coll=dp-headlines-virginia



Hmmm, this is odd. O (Jenny - 4/4/2006 11:29:09 PM)
Hmmm, this is odd. Ok Look for "GOP banks on absentee strategy in tight race." Its somewhere mid-page.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/



Corey, so are you sa (mia - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
Corey, so are you saying all the provisional ballots have been counted?


Count is now down to (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
Count is now down to 619!


Steve, I am unsure. (Jen Little - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
Steve, I am unsure.

Are you the Steve I met in Norfolk?



What happens if the (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
What happens if the recount ends up being the exact opposite it is right now? Can McDonnell do a recount of the recount and have VA pay for it?


Actually, it's not t (I.Publius - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
Actually, it's not the Commonwealth that pays, but rather individual localities their own expenses.  For counties, that technically is still the Commonwealth, as counties are divisions of the Commonwealth.  Cities are entities unto themselves, however. 

Either way, Creigh ain't payin'.

And I know that both candidates are upright and honorable, and both will want every legitimate vote correctly counted.  Fortunately, the Virginia Code outlines the procedure adequately, so we won't get any of the lame shenanigans from Florida or Ohio in 2000 and 2004.



Anybody know anythin (RickyD - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
Anybody know anything about Kilgore door hanger with the incorrect precint info?  A voter came into our polling place with a Democratic doorhanger with correct info and a Republican hanger with incorrect info?  It doesn't appear that this was a widespread problem because we would have heard more about it.  I was just wondering if anybody else had seen this?


As of 10:07PM Thursd (Sam Penney - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
As of 10:07PM Thursday night, the gap was down to just 904 votes.


I was fascinated by (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
I was fascinated by the election night and canvassing process.  I had a chance to act as a witness for the State Party at both events in our County.  In our County, after the polls are closed, an electronic printout is generated at each precinct.  The results of that printout are then called into the Registrar's office.  The register then records the results on paper and then enters them into a form on the SBE website.  These results are the ones posted on election night on the SBE website that we all followed.

That night and the following morning the actual ballots are hand delivered to the Registrar's office.  That's when the canvassing begins.  The appropriate sealed packages from each precinct (signed by all poll workers on election night) are opened by the local board of elections (BOE).  Some of the paperwork is given to the registrar, some kept by the BOE and the actual ballots are delivered to the clerk of the court to be stored in a secure place.  The printouts (or tapes as they were called) are then reviewed and by the BOE and witnesses and compared to the results from the night before.  Any discrepencies are noted and the results are resubmitted to the state board and updated.

Also, in front of the witnesses, any provisional ballots are ruled on.  In our case we only had one and it was ruled invalid.  (On election day, any provisional ballots are not stuck in the counting machine but are sealed in a green enveleope for review).  Furthermore any notes left by the poll workers are read aloud.  There were a few instances of machines not reading the ballot so these were actually manually wentered into the count.  There was also a case where half way through the pack of 100 ballots some of the candidates names were missing.  This seemed to be caught in time in our case.

Anyways, sorry for the long post but I found it to be an educating experience.

P.S.  We use paper ballots read by a scanning machine at each precinct



As of 9 pm the margi (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
As of 9 pm the margin is down to 782.


Excellent. Anyone he (mia - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
Excellent. Anyone hear about provisional ballots, and Deeds chances accordingly? Maybe Fairfax and other areas will help him.


I have seen it repor (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
I have seen it reported in several places as 0.5% or lower for the state to pay. 

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-19088sy0nov10,0,5244993.story?coll=dp-news-local-final

Great news on the updated data.



Sorry again 5 hundre (RickyD - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
Sorry again 5 hundredths.


Sorry Rob but your m (RickyD - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
Sorry Rob but your math is wrong.  The race is 5 tenths of one-percent.  Well within the states responsibilty to pay for a recount.

This is the closest race in VA history.



I think lots of prov (mia - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
I think lots of provisional ballots in Richmond county would end up in Creigh's column because of the ProjectVote mishap, if I understand Corey correctly. There are still some counties/cities whose provisional ballots have yet to be counted.

http://www.advancementproject.org/vp/press.htm#norfolklawsuit



In my opinion, wheth (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
In my opinion, whether or not the provisional ballots have been counted or not will depend on when they update their information with the SBE. 

It is my best guess that the results for each County/City will be updated after the entire canvass is finished (that's how we did it), possibly 3-5 days after the election for larger Counties/Cities.  They may have already determined the validity of the provisionals but will not update with the SBE until the entire canvass is finshed.

So I would say no, many provisionals have not been counted yet.



I witnessed our post (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
I witnessed our post election canvassing in our small County (Isle of Wight) on Wednesday and it took a full day.  I was told larger Cities/Counties could take 3-5 days or longer.  So there may yet be more changes yet to come.

There were no changes in this race in our County but a single vote here or there in some other races.



The point of my last (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
The point of my last post was to say there were several opportunities for errors to take place (and be corrected) and  opportunites where a recount could find an extra vote.  With 2700+ precincts that is obviously only 1 extra vote in less then a 1/3 of the precincts.  That is certainly not out of the realm of possibilities.  For example there was a post on Tuesday about how  on the SBE website in one County 25,000 votes were cast in the AG and Gub race but 30,000 in the LG race.  That has since been corrected and shifted some of the results in the LG race.


WHY does the so- (Alice Marshall - 4/4/2006 11:29:25 PM)
WHY does the so-called liberal media keep falling in line with whatever spin the Republicans put out?

If you follow my links on Liasson and Haggerty you will find that the liberal media are not liberal at all.



I did my part, and c (Jen Little - 4/4/2006 11:29:25 PM)
I did my part, and contacted NPR.  I am really surprised, I am a loyal listener, and now I don't feel so bad for "stealing the radio" during the October pledge drive.

Additionally, for one side to be "Pro-Life" those who believe the opposite would be "Pro-Death".  So actually those who claim to be "Pro-life" are actually "Anti-Choice" if the issue is strictly a woman's right to choose.  Just my view. 

I am "Pro-life"  and "Pro-Choice"  I like living, and will enjoy it until I die.  Then perhaps I will be "pro-death" - I would tell you then, but I will be dead, and unable to verbally communicate.  Until then I like life and the choices I have for living.

How's that for framing, Teddy?



How you fix NPR


Mara Liasson

Barbara Bradley Haggerty



I told NPR that, wit (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:29:25 PM)
I told NPR that, with friends like you, who needs enemies. WHY does the so-called liberal media keep falling in line with whatever spin the Republicans put out? Even after all this time, they don't seem to understand "framing" and continue to be gullible, and let the Norquists and Roves of the world set the agenda. Dammit, wake up, Progressives.


I think we will see (Nichole - 4/4/2006 11:29:30 PM)
I think we will see Allen having issues in the future. People are just linking Bush/Kilgore because of the implications right now.

The real Allen will appear soon :)



Allen has taken a hi (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:29:30 PM)
Allen has taken a hit among party insiders.  Once considered the Republican Party's rising star, he's now considered a guy that can easily be neutralized if not weakend by a certain Virginia Governor.  Allen is weaker than usual, his approval ratings only at 53%.  That's lower than it's been in a while.  With a truly credible candidate, like Admiral James Webb, we could beat him.


Yeah, Allen's suppos (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:29:30 PM)
Yeah, Allen's supposed to be a lot of things.  We need to expose the real George Allen, right wing extremist, so Virginians can reject him just like they did to Jerry Kilgore.


That George Allen's (F. T. Rea - 4/4/2006 11:29:30 PM)
That George Allen's enthusiastic backing on the stump and in commercials didn't seem to help Jerry Kilgore much is well worth noting. Moreover, it should encourage those Democrats thinking of running against Allen in 2006.

If Virginians get the sense Allen is running for reelection to the US Senate, only to pick up and start running for president immediately after the 2006 election, it might not sit all that well. Remember when Doug Wilder, as a sitting governor, flirted with a presidential run in 1992? He was roundly criticized from every direction. Virginians generally want their elected officials to do the job they were elected to do, and not look beyond the state line in the middle of a term in office.

Which is exactly why Mark Warner is being smart not to run against Allen, if he really means to run for president in 2008. Obviously, it would be a killer to lose. Even more important, should Warner defeat Allen, he would look like just another cynical politician to begin running for president the very next day. Sincerity is Warner?s strong suit, image-wise. He?d be crazy to do anything to undermine that perception of him.

Allen won't be easy to beat, but as long as he's tied to Bush policies he's carrying a load that will slow him down. If Allen turns his back on Bush, he then has to fear Karl Rove. Uh, oh. Speaking of fear, Allen's handlers already know that they have much to fear from a sharp Democrat with the backing of Mark Warner and Tim Kaine. I wonder if Congressman Bobby Scott is considering such a run.
 



I would love to see (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:29:31 PM)
I would love to see a Virginia v. Virginia (i.e. Warner v. Allen) race in 2008.  We could take back the White House with that one.  Although someone like Gingrich would be more fun.


"Alright, alright…no (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:29:31 PM)
"Alright, alright…no “progressive” is going to eat George Allen’s lunch next year. He is virtually unbeatable."

Agree, and disagree.  Personally, I think only a moderate Democrat can take out Allen, so the Progressive Dems may have to wait their turn.  I do not think he's unbeatable.  James Webb, anybody?



Allen and Davis are (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:29:31 PM)
Allen and Davis are walking targets for Dems now.  Positive Progressives will eat their lunch next year. 


Alright, alright...n (Paul - 4/4/2006 11:29:31 PM)
Alright, alright...no "progressive" is going to eat George Allen's lunch next year. He is virtually unbeatable.

However, we can make him spend a bunch of his money defending himself. That's an honorable cause.

Let's all get ahold of ourselves here. There's a big difference between little old Jerry Kilgore and George Allen.



He has to be hurting (Chris from ASL - 4/4/2006 11:29:31 PM)
He has to be hurting at least a little bit, I mean, his star candidate lost. How can you not take a hit when your star candidate loses?


given the failure (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:29:36 PM)

given the failure of Allen's family retainer, Jerry Kilgore, to win the governorship after Allen and Allen's favorite henchmen worked so hard to get Jerry elected, Allen is obviously mending fences and trying to reassert leadership of the far right wing. Distract everyone from my failures! Remind them of my ultra conservative neo-con credentials! Help!

You're right, Dan, let's take the field against this guy, but let's do so with some one of higher caliber than George himself. Where is the Democratic machinery? Lying down on its job? Fussing among themselves? Get real, folks. And, where is Tom Davis in all this? Waiting on George to declare for the Presidency before he can formally run for Senate? Tom-in-Waiting is certainly a pretty sight.



I went to a Kaine ra (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:29:42 PM)
I went to a Kaine rally with Obama a month ago and another Kaine rally with Warner. At both of those rallies Bobby Scott was there. He was helping to promote Kaine which was fantastic. Maybe kathy is right, with Warner and Kaine promoting Bobby Scott, he might have a chance against George Allen.


Rob: Two questions. (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:29:42 PM)
Rob:  Two questions.  First, how will Warner beat Hillary Clinton if she runs.  Second, how will Warner maintain his visibility and momentum between now and 2008, since he will no longer be governor? 


Not as big as a Kain (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:29:42 PM)
Not as big as a Kaine victory, but Warner helping to pick up a Senate or House seat in '06 in VA would go a long way (especially the Senate).  Although he has to be careful not to pick a battle like that and lose.


I'll run against Gil (blueinthecommonwealth_VA - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
I'll run against Gilmore...

...and win.



Good question - is G (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
Good question - is Gilmore's interest a reflection of the lack of confidence he has in Bolling and McDonnell?


Did Mr. Kilgore not (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
Did Mr. Kilgore not say, at the very beginning of his official campaign, that he was running to continue Jim Gilmore's great leadership? While he did drop that mantra like a hot potato, think about it: enough time passes, they pound away at that theme, Bolling is running the Senate and frustrating (or trying to) Gov. Kaine everywhere he turns, resulting in unending right-wing causes to enshrine in the public press... Well, well.

One question: if Giomore is resurected out of his cave like Lazarus, what will Bolling do? Retreat gracefully and run again for Lt. Gov? Would the Republicans have a contested primary or figure it out gracefully like the gentlemen they are?



Well about Ben and K (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
Well about Ben and Kenton...
One of them run for Gov, I'll just take Lt Gov, and the other can go for AG.  Sounds like a winner to me.


It seems Gilmore and (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
It seems Gilmore and friends need someone to slap them and remind them that it was a Tax reform that cut taxes for most people in your Commonwealth.  Personally I say look out for someone young and viberant like David Englin newly elected to your House of Delegates. 


Ben: You could have (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
Ben:  You could have competition from Kenton Ngo or Sam Penney, though.  Watch out!! :)


Hey, Virginia Centri (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
Hey, Virginia Centrist offered some good advice last week for VA Dems when it comes to Gilmore's run:

http://virginiacentrist.blogspot.com/2005/11/message-to-democrats-drooling-over.html



Oh dear. There must (BlackOut2005 - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
Oh dear. There must be something going around. Call us crazy, but we didn't pull up the tent stakes after Dick Black got smacked down, either.

http://getblackout.blogspot.com/



Just another side no (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
Just another side note on Unca Jim: ain't the male ego wonderful? Especially the mid-life crisis ego of the almighty white Caucasian male. Sorry, I'm past that stage of my life, and I'm a woman, so forgive me... I'm also just a little tired and fed-up with it all.


I hope they throw Gi (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
I hope they throw Gilmore up in 2009 when people like Deeds, Payne, Beyer, maybe Warner, maybe Puckett, maybe Moran/Scott/maybe even Boucher could run.

Okay, who do you think would be the strongest GOP challenger for us to run against in 2009?

And what about a 2009 Democrat icket like this...
Deeds/Puckett/Armstrong OR Deeds/Petersen/Phillips?



We already have had (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
We already have had conservative blogs and the Times Dispatch quoting Gilmore and Grover Norquist as saying that Kilgore lost because he did not sign the infamous no-tax pledge, and that Bolling won because he did--- which completely ignores the fact that Kaine campaigned on the basis of the budget reform. This tunnel vision of that extreme right wing of the Republican Party is such that everything is cut to fit into the NO TAX box. So we know what Unca Jim's campaign theme will be: the threadbare, discredited Repub whine about taxes. He will undoubtedly try to meddle in the upcoming Assembly and attempt to frustrate Kaine at every turn, and Bolling will be in the Senate ready to help Gilmore every step of the way. It's up to the blogosphere to keep an eagle on the goings on, and do a little frustrating of our own since I doubt the regular media will do so.


If Gilmore wins, I'l (Conaway - 4/4/2006 11:29:43 PM)
If Gilmore wins, I'll have to leave the Commonwealth for a more sensible locale like Washington, DC. Hell, at least there, I'd know exactly what the politicians are smoking. Wait, I did run into Gilmore shopping at Aveda once, so maybe he's been inspired by aroma therapy...

-- Conaway



BAH! $5.5 million, B (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:29:46 PM)
BAH! $5.5 million, Ben Affleck probably made that much in his sleep last night.


But, Steve, $5.5 mil (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:29:46 PM)
But, Steve, $5.5 million at this stage of the game is usually enough to discourage opponents from even entering the race. Money trumps talent.


Ok, Rob, you talked (Brian - 4/4/2006 11:29:46 PM)
Ok, Rob, you talked me into it.  Where do I sign up? :)

Back to the post, this is a big signal of Allen's plan of how to win the primary.  He wants to have Miller networked into SC politics.  Then he can pull a new campaign manager out of Iowa or NH to build up and send back home to recruit, organize, etc. 

It's actually not a bad idea.



Allen is such a bloc (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:29:46 PM)
Allen is such a blockhead in many ways, this is a shrewd move, so who is calling the shots--- or is this just another football game play? Who is a viable candidate to run against him? And, by the way, what has happened to Scott Howell since his recent unfortunate experience? He still has fangs.


Brian - if you do ru (Scott Nolan - 4/4/2006 11:29:46 PM)
Brian - if you do run, you have my vote!

Let's pool our resources and hire Scott Howell to work for the Allen Presidential Campaign of 2008 (evil grin) -  perhaps he can swift boat all the other Republicans so we can trounce Allen in the general election...



Scott: Awesome. Th (Brian - 4/4/2006 11:29:46 PM)
Scott:  Awesome.  That means I will now get two votes (mine and yours)! 

Speaking of the Republican primary, it will be nice to see a good summer fight.  Pres. Bush got to skip that in 2004 while our guys were spending money.

But we still need a strong candidate in 2006 to run against Allen.  Any ideas? 



I believe that's the (Waldo Jaquith - 4/4/2006 11:29:47 PM)
I believe that's the first time a Virginia political blog has ever linked to cvillenews.com.  The site gets thousands of visitors every day, but its regional specificity means that they're all in Charlottesville.  It ain't often anything going on here is interesting to the outside world, I guess.


Also, there's an int (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:29:48 PM)
Also, there's an interesting list of "books related to Virginia politics/history that would be particularly helpful for blogging pundits/activists" at the New Dominion blog.


Won't be the last ti (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:29:48 PM)
Won't be the last time Waldo.  By the way - you should get your other blogs on LeftyBlogs as well.


Christian - which st (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:29:48 PM)
Christian - which state are you listed under?


I see - my understan (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:29:48 PM)
I see - my understanding is that they just haven't done national blogs yet.  By the way - I like your blog.  Are you also in Virginia?


*shake shake* DFV (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:29:48 PM)
*shake shake*

DFV is getting a complete overhaul this month.  Soup to nuts, DFV went all out and gave everything it had in the '05 election, and now is rebuilding.

Look for big new initiatives and a bold new look from DFV in the weeks and months ahead.



Dunno if my blog rat (Scott Nolan - 4/4/2006 11:29:48 PM)
Dunno if my blog rates - might not be consistant, or not orginal enough - though I am certainly leftist!  Would any of you mind helping me decide wether to try getting listed, or to skip it?

I am at http://www.vampyr.org/snolan/blogger.html

Thanks,
Scott



The dust-up in Charl (Rick Sincere - 4/4/2006 11:29:48 PM)
The dust-up in Charlottesville about the school board re-organization is based on faulty statements (I'm trying to be kind here).

I was at the City Council meeting where councilors Kendra Hamilton and Rob Schilling went toe-to-toe (from opposite sides of the dais, so I speak metaphorically).  I was sitting only a few feet from Councilor Hamilton in the front row of the audience.

As anyone can see from the full text of Councilor Schilling's email, as posted at cvillenews.com, there was nothing in it even approaching Hamilton's misquote (repeated in the Daily Progress) that Schilling claimed to be ?the only councilor who cares about the African-American community."

In her remarks on Monday night, she also accused Schilling of being partisan, blaming Democrats for Virginia's sordid Jim Crow education laws, when in fact Schilling never used the word "Democrat" in his remarks (nor did he say "Republican" for that matter).  Yet Hamilton herself tried to paint Schilling with a broad brush by associating him, because of his party, with the likes of Strom Thurmond.  If she didn't outright accuse Schilling of being a racist, she came within millimeters of doing so.  It was shameful.

The Daily Progress story simply repeated misrepresentations of Schilling's views as expressed by Kendra Hamilton.

I _knew_ I should have blogged about that event immediately after it happened.



Scott - I don't see (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:29:48 PM)
Scott - I don't see why it wouldn't be accepted, unless you haven't been blogging very long (it looks like LeftyBlogs lists blgos after they've been around a few months).  I say go for it!


You missed my amazin (Paul - 4/4/2006 11:29:48 PM)
You missed my amazing analysis of the Thanksgiving Holiday:

http://virginiacentrist.blogspot.com/2005/11/thanksgiving.html



(let me clarify - th (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:29:48 PM)
(let me clarify - they haven't figured out how to organize the national blogs yet on their site)


Paul - is Virginia C (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:29:49 PM)
Paul - is Virginia Centrist on Lefty Blogs yet?


I know this is a hol (JC - 4/4/2006 11:29:51 PM)
I know this is a holiday weekend and most folks are on the road, but this is something that needs your immediate attention.  I swung by Kaine headquarters the other day to catch up with some of my friends before they scatter to the four winds, and we got to talking about the Deeds recount.  At last check Creigh was down by 323 votes.  There are 2582 voter precincts in Virginia.  That means that if creigh can find roughly one vote in every seven or eight precincts, he'll win.  And the votes are out there!

So let's get the checkbooks out, or go to Creigh's website and donate.  Also, those of us who live in Virginia should look into volunteering at the counts.  And yes, we know how to spot trolls.

--J.C.



Thank you very much (Alice Marshall - 4/4/2006 11:29:51 PM)
Thank you very much for linking to the diary. And thanks to everyone who responded in any way.


I have contacted all (Jen Little - 4/4/2006 11:29:51 PM)
I have contacted all possible to volunteer for the recount efforts, and have contributed what I can.  I encourage all who can to do so. 

I applaud the blogs for keeping this alive so that it is constantly in front of us.  We cannot get distracted. 



Thanks Rob I would h (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:29:51 PM)
Thanks Rob I would have missed it if you didn't make this post.

Daily Virginia Political News



Then there's the und (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:29:52 PM)
Then there's the undying football cliches Allen spouts so artistically (remember his passing the ball to Jerry Kilgore on stage at a Republican rally?). Now, y'all know that ALMOST trumps NASCAR sponsorships. Listen, all you Beltway bandits, middle America is more concerned about its next local highschool football game than about, say, the war in Iraq. Who knows what will appeal to the voter who likes to imagine himself sitting down and having a beer with the guy as a means of judging the next President of the United States? Then there's the question of McCain's health, which is being raised by some, and can conceivably become an issue in a Republican primary (it's already surfaced once during a previous presidential primary season, both as a question about his psychological health--- after all those years as a prisoner under torture, dontcha know--- and also physical health, same reason). Bottom line, McCain is not completely a shoo-in, Allen knows it, and is preparing his ground and his war chest in advance.


I certainly don't un (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:29:52 PM)
I certainly don't underestimate George Allen politically.  Just intellectually, morally, ethically, philosophically, ideologically, and epistemologically.  Ha ha.


The right candidate (JC - 4/4/2006 11:29:52 PM)
The right candidate with the right message could beat Allen in 2006. 

The key is to hold Allen responsible for what he did as governor.  Many of Virginia's pressing problems are the result of Allen's policies and the way they were continued/expanded under Gilmore.  Allen protege Kilgore was defeated handily.  Now the time has come for Allen to face the music for the damage he did to Virginia's finances, to the environment (especially the current situation in the Chesapeake Bay), and his complicity in the financial disaster taking shape in Washington, D.C

That's the case to make to Democrats and Independents.  The case to make to conservatives is that Allen is a wishy-washy non-achiever who's been trading on his father's fame and football metaphors too long.



I am still waiting t (CR UVa - 4/4/2006 11:29:52 PM)
I am still waiting to see the Democrats put up an opponent against Allen for next year; if Allen is such a ripe target, there should be many takers for that challenge.

And please, McCain?  Don't bet on it.  Most conservatives see him as too wishy-washy, and have for years.  I see little chance of that changing.



DemocraticUndergroun (autorank - 4/4/2006 11:29:52 PM)
DemocraticUnderground.Com supporting Deeds Recount!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x403238



My money is on McCai (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:29:52 PM)
My money is on McCain - he's doing the right dance w/ the righties. 


I hate to think that (Jen Little - 4/4/2006 11:29:52 PM)
I hate to think that I would agree with a conservative blog, but I do!  There we go, I can find common ground!  Times are a changing!

I think Virginian Republicans would like to think that Allen is a rising star, but really, I don?t see it nationally.  If I had to predict, I would say the Republicans should, embrace the hell out of McCain.  He is the only hope the Republicans have. 



Allen's fortunes rea (Conaway - 4/4/2006 11:29:52 PM)
Allen's fortunes really have been shot down by Bush. His folksy, pseudo-cowboy, aw-shucks (even though I'm a Californian of some means) persona won't sell well after 8 years of a similar crap from Bush. But, he's known for being underestimated and playing from the underdog position. As such, his national fundraising prowess among the rank-and-file of the GOP, plus his connections to top-notch talent like Chris LaCivita make him formidable.

Allen won't be the 2008 frontrunner, but he very well could make a nice compromise candidate if the Repubs are divided come primary/convention time by a Rudy or McCain bid. Allen's a good swallow for the hard righties.

But, all bets are off if (major if) DPVA can field a strong candidate and push him to the brink in 2006.

-- Conaway



CR UVa- you think Al (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:29:52 PM)
CR UVa- you think Allen gets the nod in 08?


Personally, I think (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:29:53 PM)
Personally, I think it's smart for Kaine to hold these meetings, as part of building a consensus for action on transportation.  Remember, Kaine is going to have to govern as a Democrat with Republicans controlling everything else, so he needs popular support -- aside from his 6-point election victory, that is -- to be successful...


Matt- I'm just as (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:29:53 PM)
Matt-

I'm just as interested as you as to what these meetings will accomplish. I submitted (through email) a detailed suggestion on improving traffic lights across the entire state. I have not yet calculated the cost of my idea, but it has the potential to dramatically reduce red lights across the entire state without requiring any new physical hardware. The ROI of my idea could be astronomical.

Anyway i have yet to hear back from Kaine's group. My guess is they are slammed with ideas. Ideas are a dime a dozen, so i think they use these meetings to get a big pile of ideas. Then they go through these ideas figure out if they're cost effective and if the idea is sound. They'll likely throw out 99% of all the ideas generated by the public because they're either dumb, too expensive or they already have considered. But if they get 1000 ideas that means 10 will be good ones they haven't considered.

That might be worth it. But... who knows!



There is such a dazz (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:29:53 PM)
There is such a dazzling group of opponents of this execution that I can't imagine Warner letting the guillotine fall this time.

There are just too many questions.

And of course from a purely political perspective, I think it would hurt his chances in the '08 Dem Presidential primaries if he fails to act.



I have seen this cov (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:29:53 PM)
I have seen this covered nationally in the last few days.  Mostly because the interesting fact that this will be the nation's 1000th execution since reinstating the death penalty in 1976.

The Washington Post also weighed in with an editorial this weekend saying stop the execution

Daily Virginia Political News



I agree with Shawn B (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:29:53 PM)
I agree with Shawn B. on this one, and STRONGLY urge Governor Warner to stop the execution. In the end, there's just WAY too much doubt here to be sure we're not executing an innocent man.  Why on earth would we take that chance?


Hey, if anybody can (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:30:10 PM)
Hey, if anybody can find or has that picture of Thelma Drake falling asleep at the BRAC meeting, can you post a link?  Or, send it to me by e-mail at dandalf_the_blue@hotmail.com.  Make sure you tell me where you got it.  Thanks!


Black folks? Come on (blueinthecommonwealth_VA - 4/4/2006 11:30:10 PM)
Black folks? Come on, Pat...


He has no filter - a (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:10 PM)
He has no filter - and unfortunately he's on TV too much to boot.


Pat knows because Go (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:10 PM)
Pat knows because God tells him all these things...personally!


Found the picture. (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:30:10 PM)
Found the picture.  Thanks to whoever looked.


Farlow drops out of (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:30:10 PM)
Farlow drops out of the race and endorses Phil Kellam.  If Phil pulls at least half of Virginia Beach, he wins a primary.  He'll have all the votes on the Shore, and most of the Norfolk votes.


Where are you from, (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:30:10 PM)
Where are you from, Teddy?  Are you from the 2nd District?  If you are, then maybe you just see things differently than me.  If you are not, then I'll explain the situation.  The last Democrat in the 2nd was a man by the name of Owen Pickett, a political idol of mine.  If you want to know where he stands politically, it is right in the middle.  I'm serious, you know those little political ideology diamonds?  He's in the exact middle.  That's why he won.  Ashe had all the advantages last year; Shrock had dropped out due to charges of Homosexuality, Drake was a quick replacement.  He was endorsed by all the local papers.  Yet he still lost by almost 11 points.

Why did Ashe lose?  Plain and simple, he was TOO Progressive.  Nothing wrong with being a little Progressive, but in an area as Conservative as the Second, you have to be either in the middle or too the right.  I would HIGHLY doubt Ashe gets the nomination again.  He's lost all his support from last year, and guess where it's all going?  (I'll give you a hint, the guy's last name rhymes with Jellum.)  I'm pretty sure Owen Pickett will endorse Kellam, as will most political powers in Virginia Beach.  Don't get me wrong, I like Ashe.  I may not agree with him all the time, but he's a nice guy.  But Kellam is pretty close to my own political beliefs, along with most people in Virginia Beach.  You got to understand, man.  Virginia Beach went for Tim Kaine NOT because they thought they should give Progressives a chance.  Trust me, every Republican I know that crossed-over and voted for Kaine did it because A) They thought Kilgore was a slime...true, and B) Kaine wasn't "a liberal hippie, more of a Warner guy." (my buddy Dave actually said that)  That's what Kellam is, a Warner guy.  You want a guy who idolizes Warner, go with Kellam.



Absolutely, both Tro (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:10 PM)
Absolutely, both Troy Farlow and Phil Kellam are cordially invited for interviews here anytime. 


What about all those (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:10 PM)
What about all those "black folks" who vote for Ted Kennedy all the time up in "Taxachusetts," Pat?  Barbara Mikulski and Paul Sarbanes in Maryland?  Chris Dodd in Connecticut?  Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer in New York?  I could go on and on, but what's the point...you (Pat R.) get your answers straight from the Lord, so how can a mere mortal like myself compete?


Please interview Kel (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:30:10 PM)
Please interview Kellam; just how much of a Progressive is he? I believe we're ready in Virginia for a progressive candidate, not a legacy candidate.


The "blood in the wa (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:11 PM)
The "blood in the water" race to watch is the 7th.  If someone serious decides to run against Cantor, that will be the sign that the Republicans are in trouble and the Blue revolution of 2006 is underway.


I wouldn't jump to t (Hoya90 - 4/4/2006 11:30:11 PM)
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that MZM will bring down Goode.  MZM brought a LOT of jobs down to his district, which includes some areas of Virginia with the highest unemployment rates in the Commonwealth.  Goode can easily start painting himself as fighting for his constituents fair share.

Unless Virgil gets indicted for bribery, MZM alone won't be enough to turn his district against him.  I wish Weed and Ewart the best of luck and hope they can turn the trick.



Off topic: You ca (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:30:11 PM)
Off topic:

You can support Gov. Warner on today's straw poll on MyDD

http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/12/2/134719/259

He has a very impressive second place showing.  Poll closes tonight.



USA Today today directly connects Cunningham and Goode

"A USA TODAY analysis of MZM-related campaign contributions shows how the company's growth and its political activities became intertwined at key moments. In more than 30 instances, donations from MZM's political action committee or company employees went to two members of the House Appropriations Committee — Cunningham and Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va. — in the days surrounding key votes or contract awards that helped MZM grow."

Also today's North Carolina's Winston Salem Jounal runs an article tying Republican Goode (and Senator Dole) to the scandal and the Ronaoke NBC affiliate WSLS ran a story on the scandal yesterday.  This story is not going away.  More here



I al weed going to r (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:30:11 PM)
I al weed going to run again?

There are two declared Dems Al Weed and Bern Ewitt.

More here and here.

Ewitt has scheduled press conferences for tomorow to announce.  He is the former city manager for Ronoake.

The Dems smell blood in the water, there are Dem primaries shaping up in the 2nd and 5th CDs

Challenge all R incumbents!



This is a great arti (Jen Little - 4/4/2006 11:30:11 PM)
This is a great article!

I had no idea.  If this keeps up after all the layers are pulled back the only one eligible to run for Congress will be Democrats!



Talk about making th (Mark T. Blair - 4/4/2006 11:30:13 PM)
Talk about making the worst of a bad situation.  He doesn't get to keep the money but at the same time doesn't get all the credit for giving it away because he sat on his hands for two weeks, presumably racking his brains for some way to keep the money and not look bad.


Yes - others like Ka (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:13 PM)
Yes - others like Katherine Harris and Libby Dole beat him to it.  Makes him look like a follower, not a leader, on a matter where he is the most "tainted" (so to speak).


So what you are sayi (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:30:14 PM)
So what you are saying is "he voted for it before he voted against it"?


a crime is a crime i (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:30:14 PM)
a crime is a crime in my book.  With that being said if you are going to have "hate" crimes there is no reason to exclude sexual orientation.  As far as putting political aspirtations ahead of serving the community look no further than almost every single politician.  Fairfax BOS comes to mind here in NOVA. 

It's all on your party to have an alternative in 06 to Allen.  Warner could do it.  He has no chance against Hillary for the dem nomination. 



"Hate crime" laws do (Uad2dog - 4/4/2006 11:30:15 PM)
"Hate crime" laws don't apply unless hatred for some defined group is a major motive for the attack.  I think the point of all such legislation is the recognition that, when someone targets a person for violence because of her/his membership in a traditionally despised or ridiculed or bullied minority, it tends to victimize other members of that group, not just the immediate physical victim.  When Ronald Gay went into the Back Street Cafe in Roanoke in 2000 and shot seven people, killing one, because they were gay or lesbians, I can assure you that there was a profound and instantaneous ripple effect of fear, indeed terror, within the LGBT community in Western Virginia which took quite a long time to wear off.  For some, I'm not sure it has worn off yet.

It is true that, to some extent, one could apply that same rationale to the assault of a member of lots of groups which have not traditionally been the victims of bullying, discrimination, ridicule, or violence--high school football quarterbacks, for example--but just giving that exzmple underscores the fact that the essence of the "hate crime" is to arouse or heighten fears of harm among people who identify with the immediate victim and share with her/him a predisposition to have a pervasive sense of insecurity based on history.  An single attack upon a particular quarterback is not likely to leave other quarterbacks quaking in their boots, whereas a series of such attacks, the unfolding of a new pattern of widespread abuse, could and eventually probably would have that effect.  Rembmber the DC snipers?  Things were bad enough as it was, but imagine the profound level of insecurity motorists would have had had if the snipers had targeted ONLY people pumping gas.

Bottom line for me:  If, based on the foregoing rationale, we are going to enhance the punishment for assaults committed against members of some traditionally oppressed minorities, we should do it with respect to victims who are members of all such minorities, and God knows that gays and lesbians and transgender people fit that definition--in spades.  Leaving them off the list gives the impression that violence against them is still socially condoned.



Adam: Thanks for tak (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:15 PM)
Adam: Thanks for taking the time to write thoughtful, perceptive, interesting comments here at Raising Kaine.  Even when you disagree, you're never disagreeable about it and you never go ad hominem. I very much appreciate that; please keep commenting! :)


Adam - agree w/ your (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:15 PM)
Adam - agree w/ your last sentence, though that depends on the Dem party getting it right for once!


Regardless of your s (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:15 PM)
Regardless of your stance on hate crimes laws, Allen's flipflop here is very troubling.  Virginia voters should worry if he's more interested in running for Pres. than serving as their Senator.

On top of that, it's not like Allen is against hate crime laws in general - he just doesn't want them to apply to gays and lesbians. Very unprincipled position, if you ask me.



Com'n, at least ther (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:30:18 PM)
Com'n, at least there not wasting their time defending Candy Canes?

"The reason for this resolution is that the attack has not been on the menorah or any of the other symbols of the other religions. But the attack has been and is being made on red and green colors, on candy canes..." - Virginia Republican Congresswoman Jo Ann Davis defending candy canes and House Resolution 579 in Congress yesterday.



Just a little rumor, (Mimi Schaeffer - 4/4/2006 11:30:18 PM)
Just a little rumor, but I've read somewhere Allen's office is crawling with closeted Republicans!


Allen is an idiot. W (Leo - 4/4/2006 11:30:18 PM)
Allen is an idiot. What about him calling Jerry Kilgore a "proven tax cutter." Kilgore has never once held a position where he could cut or raise taxes, yet he is a tax cutter? It really showed how ridiculous politics is and how unworthy Allen is for president. Hilarious.


By my count there ar (Eric - 4/4/2006 11:30:19 PM)
By my count there are three versions of Christmas:

1. Religious Christmas - a true celebration (for christians) of the birth of Jesus in the form of mass and prayer.  Not much fanfare. 

2. Traditional Christmas - the party like celebration awash in materialism.  A lot of noise and spending. It's all about Santa and Jesus - in that order.

3. "Holidays" Christmas - Well, this is the one that Rep Davis is bitching about because it's not exactly Christmas, but a Holiday instead.  This one has even more noise and spending and less Jesus.

So let's see... 

Rep Davis hates the Holidays version because there's not enough Jesus in the materialism but doesn't go so far as to support the Religious version because, um, hmmm.  Dunno.  Perhaps there's not enough materialism in the Jesus.

All non-Christians like the idea of Holidays because they can be included in the materialism without the Jesus.  As an added bonus they don't have to listen to or say anything Christiany.

All retailers and corporations LOVE the Holidays version.  Since there's no Jesus, everyone, regardless of religion, feels both comfortable and obliged to partake in rampant consumerism.

Is Rep Davis onto something by complaining about how PC the season has become?  Perhaps.  Does our society, as a whole, have a vested interest in keeping the PC in the season?  Absolutely.

Christmas is a victim of it's own success (or greed and materialism if you prefer) and that's the way it's going to stay.

Rep Davis needs to quit wasting tax payer money, and everyone's time, on this pointless BS and go do some shopping.  Only 10 shopping days left until she can celebrate in her chosen manner.

Rant done - carry on.



Representative Davis (dsquared - 4/4/2006 11:30:19 PM)
Representative Davis practices a shameful brand of religious imperialism. How dare she claim that Christmas needs to be protected legislatively -- in violation of the establishment clause, while claiming that Chanukah, Kwanzaa and Ramadan don't deserve the same protection. Also, where is her concern for those whose Christmases and Chanukahs are threatened by the negligence of the government in the wake of Katrina and Rita or the looming threat of draconian Medicaid and food stamp cuts. To shame! To shame!


80% of Americans ide (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:30:19 PM)
80% of Americans identify themselves as Christians.

about 1% of those people are waging war

20% of Americans don't identify themselves as Christians

about 1% of those people are waging war

The large percentages will change for each individual wedge issue (abortion, gun control, death penalty, gays,  but the 1% will always remain the same.

The 98% of the American Public needs to say left wing and right wing shutup and let's actually do something important related to (the enivronment, tax reform, economy, education, strategy for the war on terror, host of other important issues)

Merry Christmas 79%
Happy Holidays 19%
Go Freeze 2% :) 



I hear someone is ru (Paul - 4/4/2006 11:30:19 PM)
I hear someone is running against Mr. Allen!!!


Next thing you know, (Conaway - 4/4/2006 11:30:19 PM)
Next thing you know, people will try and tell me that the Easter Bunny isn't real. This, after telling me that Christmas isn't about celebrating the birth of Santa.

-- Conaway



"America’s favorite (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:30:19 PM)
"America’s favorite holiday is being twisted beyond recognition."

I like the Fourth of July or Memorial Day better than Christmas...



If I were in congres (Mark T. Blair - 4/4/2006 11:30:19 PM)
If I were in congress right now, I would introduce a bill expressing support for the "the symbols and traditions of al winter holidays".

If people didn't voet for it - why not?

Because christmas deserves special treatment - why?



Thanks Sarge - fixed (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:19 PM)
Thanks Sarge - fixed now.


You beat me too it S (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:30:19 PM)
You beat me too it Shawn. This is a typical Rove move; when they lose control of the debate and get in trouble, stir up a previously non-existent debate they can win. 



There is a small, bu (J. Sarge - 4/4/2006 11:30:19 PM)
There is a small, but important, typo in your text.  At one point, you reference Themla Drake.  I believe you mean Jo Ann Davis.  Thelma Drake was the Congresswoman that went on record today as opposing the torture ban (along with Eric Cantor and Virgil Goode).  There's a hit parade of effective legislators...


Yep, she's darn near (chris hall - 4/4/2006 11:30:20 PM)
Yep, she's darn near the legal scholar that Sen. Rockefeller is: feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities. As you know, I am neither a technician nor an attorney.  Of course, he's the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, so you'd expect him to be more knowledgable than the newly appointed chair of a House subcommittee, wouldn't you?


Let the chips fall w (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:20 PM)
Let the chips fall where they may, but Rockefeller's confusion over the actual legality of the program is a far cry from Davis's stupid "if it's illegal it's a problem" statement.




The question of priv (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:30:25 PM)
The question of private property rights ("it's my land, don't tell me what I can do with it") is the main reason the state Realtor Association (VAR) did not support Kaine, but chose Kilgore. I strongly disagreed in writing, and am now in bad odor with VAR, but I told them that unrestrained urban sprawl was a problem we were going to have to deal with. Actually, there is merit on both sides here (remember, the Connection town condemnation law suit which recently made its way to the Supreme Court?). Kaine is going to have to tread a tight rope here, and will need help to avoid being either totally shot down by a conservative legislature, or going too far to the left himself in curbing private property rights in order to control development. We are not Communist Russia, nor are we Houston where there is no zoning at all, just spra-a-a-a-wl. 


I just don't get it. (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:29 PM)
I just don't get it. If Governor's would rather say Happy Holidays or Season's Greetings than Merry Christmas aren't they using their own free speech to do so? Who the hell are these so called speech police?

Btw, do speech police get to wear cool uniforms and drive motorcycles like Chips? If so, sign me up!



How many times do co (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:30 PM)
How many times do concerned citizens have to stand up and fight for common sense?

it never ends.

Mr. Bush has all but appointed himself dictator.  9/11 was our very own Reichschtag fire.  There is no limit to the amount of Power republicans believe they can grab, the amount of money they will give away, no limit to the amount of debt they will leave our children, and no amount of dead that will stop Bush from laughing at the addlebrained failure that is Iraq.

In the face of such abject failure, and as we watch the end of American freedom as we once knew it, it's no wonder frightened America needs it's little security blanket wars.

Warm and comfey... there's nothing to fear but those nasty terrorists and liberals.  ahhh... sweet slumber of ignorance.



Wait a minute. Your (wayne ozmore - 4/4/2006 11:30:37 PM)
Wait a minute. Your comments regarding Senator Allen are out of line. Specificially, "At least Deeds would likely stick around for the whole term. What would Allen give us - a few months before he bails for the bright lights of New Hampshire?"

How may out of state trips has Gov. Warner made over the last month promoting his "I'm not running for President" strategy? Has Gov. Warner really got the best interests of Virginia in mind now that he is gone out of state so much? You can be a Democrat, just don't be a hipocritical Democrat.



Creigh Deeds seems t (F. T. Rea - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Creigh Deeds seems to have made a good impression on a lot of people who didn’t know him before his statewide run. His name should be in the air. 

Whether or not Allen gets anywhere with his presidential bid should hardly be close to the center of the attack from Democrats. This new idea that one can’t do his job as a governor, or a senator, etc., and run for office is silly. Of course, if one only took one job, so he could run for the next -- as was obvious in Jerry Kilgore as AG -- maybe resigning makes more sense, sometimes.

Going after Allen because he dabbles in national politics misses the mark. It makes the critic sound petty and provincial. Democrats should wise up and throw such distractions overboard, ASAP.

The Dems need to beat George Allen by fielding a good candidate who attacks Allen as a lightweight, a tool of the Texas-Bush mafia, who is just as phony a cowboy as ol’ W, his own dad-gum self. 

Deeds, who comes across on TV as sincere, shows promise. 



I've signed up for t (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
I've signed up for the Fairfax (ie. Falls Church) event.


DRAFT LOWELL! (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)


Governor Kaine, you (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Governor Kaine, you rock!


Kaine's first appoin (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Kaine's first appointment, that of Warner's Chief of Staff Bill Leighty, proved that Kaine is all we elected him to be.

http://loper.org/~george/archives/2005/Nov/902.html

It's just gotten better from there.



I was thinking about (Mark T. Blair - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
I was thinking about that too Dan.

I'm pretty sure that Deeds lives in the fifth district, Goode's district.  So there are already challengers there.  Deeds is better than either of them but they have also been building their campaigns for a while now and I could see how Deeds wouldn't want to just barge in at this point. 



Warner is going to r (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Warner is going to run for Senate, just ask Wayne: he's been wiretapping Warner.

This just occurred to me: what about a right-wing impeachment?

Bush may have really gone too far this time.  For the first time impeachment doesn't sound like such a cracked lefty fantasy.  Mainstream folks are talking about the "i" word too.  And if the impeachment were left until 2007 (after Democrats take control of the House) then there would very likely be two impeachments; one for Bush and one for Cheney.  This would mean that the Democratic Speaker of the House would become President in 2007 unless . . .

unless Denny Hastert decides to seize his opportunity and lead a revolt from the right!  That's right, if Hastert, the current Speaker of the House, decided to act, he could be President by July 1st.  If he were to step up and do away with Bush, Cheney, and Rove the reward would be his own presidency.  He would then have two years to rebuild the Republican Party for 2008.

A fascinating scenario, no?



Right before the ele (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Right before the election, when WAPO endorsed Kaine they talked about his "BOUNDLESS ENERGY".  They weren't kiddin'!

When you've got a contribution to make, nothing will stop you.



Don't delude yoursel (wayne ozmore - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Don't delude yourself, Gov. Warner is RUNNING for election, or rather a nomination....a Democratic nomination for President. You can't critcize Sen. Allen for not being faithful to another term when one of your own is actively campaigning for higher office. Be fair in your rhetoric, and your credibility will remain intact. It is a simple point, and I did not overstate it. Warm Regards.


linked here: http:/ (Mark T. Blair - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
linked here:
http://southarlington.blogspot.com/2005/12/recount-is-over.html


Gov. Warner isn't ru (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Gov. Warner isn't running for re-election.  That's the big difference.  If Allen wants to run for president, by all means he should.  But don't run for ANOTHER office in the meantime.

And, in addition, it appears to me that Warner is handling his duties as Guv quite fine - a couple side trips in 2005 is nothing compared to what these candidates do in the weeks before Super Tuesday.  Will Allen be able to do his job when he has to be in Iowa and NH constantly in 2007?  Doubtful.



Deeds 2009 sounds li (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Deeds 2009 sounds like a plan to me, as does Webb 2006.  Or Deeds for Congress (Bath County's in the sixth Congressional District, currently represented by Bob Goodlatte - R).


Rob: So when are yo (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Rob:  So when are you starting your "Draft Deeds" petition? :)


Hey J.C., if you wan (wayne ozmore - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Hey J.C., if you want to honestly discuss issues, that's fine, leave the ad hominems out of the discussion. I assume your an adult, try blogging like one.


No doubt, Creigh Dee (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
No doubt, Creigh Deeds would be a GREAT candidate for Senate against George Allen.  My gut feeling, though, is that whoever decides to take on Allen - Harris Miller (rumored), James Webb (rumored), Creigh Deeds (not rumored, probably exhausted! LOL), Don Beyer (rumored), or someone else - will need to decide very soon, probably in the next few weeks.  Among other things, the Democratic candidate will have a lot of work to do raising money and getting known around the state, if they hope to have a chance of beating such an entrenched incumbent as George Allen.


Rob, I propose we en (wayne ozmore - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Rob, I propose we engage in logic to settle this discussion. Pure, simple, textbook logic rather than partisan affiliation or knee jerk partisan reflex...not on your part or mine, but in general. Agreed? OK, here we go: Politicians hold elected office. Politicians seek higher office once in Office. Warner, our present Governor, is actively raising his profile in the Democratic Presidential arena (far more trips made than the two or three trips you alluded to in your post). Sen. Allen, former head of the NRSC, is continually raising his national profile, as all good Senator's should seek to do. Both Warner and Allen are raising their national profiles while presently serving in elected office. There is no equivocation to this statement. It is true on its face. Sound in logic. Just based upon this argument, and not your equovication, how can one be guilty of higher ambitions when another engages in the same? Forget the partisanship, remember, base your argument in logic.


Wayne - logic requir (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Wayne - logic requires you to actually address an opponents arguements.  It is true that both Warner and Allen hold offices and seek higher offices.  There is no problem with that.  Pretending that I do doesn't win you the argument.

The difference between the two men: In the intermediate period, Allen is seeking a different office while having intentions on another.  He has no intention of finishing the full term of Virginia's Senator beginning in Jan. 2007, yet he is seeking the office anyway.  Warner has done no such thing - he will fill out his entire term.  He never ran for Governor with some intention to leave the post at any time for higher office.

This doesn't even get into the difference between Warner's small number of visits in 2005 to other states, compared to the expected 2007 absentee service we can expect from Allen.  Let's set that aside until you address the first point above.

So, can you respond to that first point?  Focus on that difference - tell me what you think about it.



I do wish Deeds coul (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
I do wish Deeds could hit a congressional race--guess his address precludes tackling Jo Ann Davis?
I really don't think Mark Warner is considering running for Senate--too bad, he'd nail Allne.  In fact, if he ran, I imagine Allen would pull out.


John; You nailed it (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
John;  You nailed it and saved from having to type out something similar, just not as articulately as you did.  Thanks! - Lowell

PS  If it's George Allen vs. Mark Warner in 2008, my money is heavily on Warner kicking Allen's butt, including a 5-point victory right here in Virginia.  Should be shweeeeet!! :)



Deeds 2009 Webb 2 (pro-life dem - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Deeds 2009

Webb 2006



Wayne - try addressi (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Wayne - try addressing my points, it'll make this discussion more interesting.  I can criticize Allen for running for another term while wanting a different office because that exactly what Warner is not doing. 

And like I said, there's a big difference between two or three trips in 2005 and the constant circus of 2007.



What would happen to (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
What would happen to Deeds' senate seat if he runs somewhere else?


As much as a like De (pro-life dem - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
As much as a like Deeds, he would lose the 6th, despite the voter rich counties of Highland and Bath.  Look at his numbers in the rest of the district.  The 6th is pretty much unwinnable.  Maybe a dem from Roanoke, but even then, still likely to lose. 

I think the Deeds talk is fairly useless. Running and losing an election by the margin he did is physically and emotionally draining.  He has got a political future but not with back to back loses. 

Webb's the man, at least from what I know of him.  He isn't overtly partisan, and will play well in Nova, the Valley and Tidewater.  Allen will have a hard time with him since he is ex-military and ex-Reagan official.  But the reason to support him is not because he can beat Allen.  That thinking gives us people like John Kerry.  What makes Webb the candidate we want is that he is a thoughtful, articulate, politically moderate and principled.  He would raise the level of debate and that can only serve Virginia.



Yes, I understand th (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:38 PM)
Yes, I understand that he is currently reviewing the transportation system on Mustique, you know, just in case it needs a little tweaking.

He's earned a vacation, I just wonder if he can ever relax!



April 14th is the fi (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:39 PM)
April 14th is the filing date.

Tick, tick, tick . . .

Come on people.



Is anybody running a (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:30:39 PM)
Is anybody running against Mr. Wolf for his seat? Socas ran a pretty strong race last time, but he's sort of disappeared. In all the worry over finding someone to challenge Tom Davis let's not forget Wolf--- wasn't his district one that was listed as being vulnerable on the national report of districts that might be in play, given a strong opponent?


Abramoff is copping (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:40 PM)
Abramoff is copping a plea and flipping ... the iceberg is about to tear a chunk out of the GOP hull.


I suspect that MZM i (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:40 PM)
I suspect that MZM is the tip of the iceberg.  If anyone will look, I suspect there are dozens of "MZM"s and that several more Republicans (and a few Dems) are on the take.


Agree that 88,000 is (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:40 PM)
Agree that 88,000 is much more problematic than the 5000 or 500... but when you're dealing with a company as corrupt as MZM, every dollar is radioactive - that goes for both parties.

However, it is without a doubt that Virgil is the one with the big problem here.  But it's interesting that it's the Virginia GOP that was benefitting from the MZM handouts (unless the article omitted Va Dems).



Instead of doing the (Rick O'Dell - 4/4/2006 11:30:40 PM)
Instead of doing the right thing immediately, Virgil Goode waited to make his “donation” only after if became obvious the money was a political liability. Make no mistake about it; if the money had not become a hot potato nobody in the District would have benefited from this money other than Virgil.

Only after the harsh glare of bloggers, traditional media, and his opponents, did Virgil come to the conclusion that the MZM money, and special deal associated with it, gave him the appearance of having been “bought and paid for.”

For Goode to give the MZM money to charity is the equivalent of discarding a soiled diaper . . . the immediate problem may have been removed, but the stink remains.



Wait... candy canes (Nichole - 4/4/2006 11:30:40 PM)
Wait... candy canes are helpless objects, they need defending.

It's absurd that time (and energy!) is being wasted debating this issue.



I didn't write it - (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:41 PM)
I didn't write it - the "crackerjack" reference is from the Washington Post link.


What do you mean by (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:30:41 PM)
What do you mean by "cracker jack" it's not a expression I've ever seen before.....


How any homosexuals (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:41 PM)
How any homosexuals can vote Republican I'll never understand.


I think JoAnn's War (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:46 PM)
I think JoAnn's War on Christmas may end up backfiring like Kilgore's Hitler ads did.


Let's not forget Dav (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:30:46 PM)
Let's not forget Dave Marsden's nickname is "The Grinch"


This is definitely t (Alex - 4/4/2006 11:30:46 PM)
This is definitely the straw that broke the camel's back in regards to my tolerance of Rep. Davis.  She is out of touch and out of her mind.

Seeing how she's in my district, and I've voted for her twice now, I wrote her a letter of disgust over this, and I will definitely be supporting the opposition candidate next time.



why? (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:51 PM)


RC - I don't really (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:51 PM)
RC - I don't really understand you're point.  Thelma said she would've "crashed the funeral" (using your words) had she known about it.  I guess you have a problem with her wishing she had politicized the funeral (using your words)?


Perhaps she is takin (Nichole - 4/4/2006 11:30:51 PM)
Perhaps she is taking a page from the "book of Bush"?


RC, I have to agree (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:30:51 PM)
RC, I have to agree with Rob.  You at least call and offer your condolences to the family (which she didn't until after the funeral), and explain how you would like to attend and if that would be okay.  She could've done this tastfully.  Instead, she was probably sleeping through another important meeting.


Headline should be R (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:51 PM)
Headline should be Rep. "Thelma Drake misses another important event"


Maybe you all should (RC - 4/4/2006 11:30:51 PM)
Maybe you all should be called funeral crashers.  It is just flat out wrong for a politician to show up for a funeral unless they are invited.  Does anyone know if Thelma personally called the family to express her condolences?  I suspect she did.  That's what's wrong with so many politicians in our party: they only show up at functions for the symbolism and to "be seen."  You people are shameless and pathetic for politicizing the funeral of a soldier!


Now if she'd only do (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:52 PM)
Now if she'd only do something courageous, like stand up for the rights of corporations, or oil companies.

Damn you Jo Ann Davis, why don't you support oil companies?



Wow... she really li (Nichole - 4/4/2006 11:30:52 PM)
Wow... she really likes to sit and twiddle her thumbs!


Hear! Hear! You tel (JC - 4/4/2006 11:31:06 PM)
Hear! Hear!  You tell 'em!  Allen has to go!

Now, if someone would just attack Cantor twice a day about the same issue.  Someone good looking with his own blog, someone in Richmond, yeah . . .



Will his son is just (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:31:07 PM)
Will his son is just as bad and looks exactly like him. After Pat is subject to God's rath, Pat's son will just continue the craziness.

I watch his show every once in a while when i'm bored and want a laugh. I was watching it for a total of about 5 minutes and just happened to catch him say the Sharon thing.

My jaw dropped. Then a few hours later it's all over the news.



And Ed hits the nail (Half Canadian - 4/4/2006 11:31:07 PM)
And Ed hits the nail on the head.  If it isn't this case, they will find another to pursue.  Because it isn't the individual cases that are the issue, it is the notion of capital punishment that they loathe.  And they will continue to fight by anecdotes until they get their way.


Why does the media s (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:31:07 PM)
Why does the media still pay attention to this guy???  His remarks were on almost every channel this morning.  here is an open question for you guys....  When Moore or Sheehan make a "crazy" comment do you think the media should keep playing it over and over??  The media needs to limit the coverage of kooks on both sides. 


1/2 Canadian: who is (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:31:07 PM)
1/2 Canadian: who is "they"?  I hope you're not referring to "me".  Reread my post - I'm not expounding on his guilt or innocence.  Indeed, I agree with Warner:

“I believe we must always follow the available facts to a more complete picture of GUILT or innocence,”



Ed and Half: This i (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:07 PM)
Ed and Half:  This is definitely not the "Free Mumia" crowd here.  Not sure why you said that...I dislke the far left wing of the Democratic Party about as much as I dislike the far right wing of the Republican Party.  What this is about is that we have to make sure the government doesn't execute an innocent person.  Unless, of course, you're comfortable giving the government that kind of power.


Ed they will soon (Gary Maxwell - 4/4/2006 11:31:07 PM)
Ed
they will soon return to "Free Mumia free Mumia free Mumia!"


Hmmm. And if he i (ed - 4/4/2006 11:31:07 PM)
Hmmm.

And if he is proven, yet again, to be guilty then it will also be good for the country.

Right up until the anti-death penalty crowd selects yet another cause celebre du jour.



Not me Rob. I want h (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:31:07 PM)
Not me Rob. I want him to be proven innocent. At this point it doesn't make a huge difference for Roger one way or another. But if he's proven innocent it'll cause an upheaval in our justice system. It would be good for the country.


This case _was_ reso (Passing Through - 4/4/2006 11:31:07 PM)
This case _was_ resolved in court between the time of the original trial in 1981 and many appeals leading to Coleman's 1992 execution.  Despite claims that they were "denied" the opportunity to appeal by the 21 day rule, Coleman's attorneys *did* have a chance to show all of their evidence to federal judge Glen Williams a few weeks prior to their client's execution.

However, their own DNA analyst's findings showed that Coleman's sperm genotype and blood type combined (both found at the scene) put him in a subcategory of 2/10th of 1 percent of the population that could have murdered Wanda McCoy.

The federal judge ruled that Coleman did not "have a colorable shade of innocence," and the "evidence now makes the case against him even stronger"

Their "alternative suspect" - a neighbor of McCoy, did not have the same blood type.  After Coleman's execution, said neighbor sued Coleman's lawyer, Centurion Ministries and a Virginia death penalty abolitionist for libel - winning a sizeable out of court settlement in 1994.

There was no break-in at the McCoy house that night.  Wanda would have opened the door at night to only three people - her husband, her father and her brother in law Roger Coleman.  The first two had alibis, Coleman had about a 45 minute window in which he couldn't explain his whereabouts. 

Additionally, Coleman had been convicted of a 1977 attack on a local woman in which he tried to force the woman into a rape at gunpoint.  Fortunately, she escaped.  Wanda McCoy was not so fortunate.



I hope you're right. (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:31:07 PM)
I hope you're right.  I want the evidence to prove his guilt.  I would much rather that we got it right, and do believe there is good evidence supporting that (as laid out in the article I linked).

I didn't get into the guilt and innocence issue here - just passing along the news.



ooops typo! if they (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
ooops typo! if they *did* something wrong.


Aside from that, Moo (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
Aside from that, Moore and Sheehan don't have a nationally broadcast television show.  Pat IS PART of the media - and to get the media to ignore him, first they need to drop his show.


My main point is why (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
My main point is why should Robertson have a bigger voices.  Robertson is a nutcase.  So instead of having him be a nutcase on one channel.  For some reason, the MSM decides to post his comments all over the place so millions of people look at it.  This extends  beyond the United States too.  I don't have all the details but apparently some political and government types are leaping on Robertson's comments.  Memo to the world:  Robertson does not speak for America. 

 



When the Abramoff th (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
When the Abramoff thing first hit my initial reaction is that the congressmen should give the money back. Now I'm thinking... it won't matter, if they didn't something wrong they should get reamed for it.