Can anyone call and get her or the NEW president's email addresses?  They should at least be told that they were lied to.

Her support for Miller is counter to both ideology and pragmatism.  Occam sez they are probably friends or friends of friends.

"Michelman questioned Webb's endorsement in 2000 of Allen. Webb referred to some groups favoring Allen's opponent, Democratic Sen. Charles S. Robb, as "extremist groups." He did not name NARAL, which backed Robb, but referred to groups that support abortion rights."

As we know, Michelman worked very hard in support of Robb during that election.  Whatever Webb's history on abortion is, it appears that those old comments are, at least in part, coming back to haunt him.

Are you Harris Miller?

We're waiting...

If they support your version of events feel free to continue posting - on the condition that you continue to provide proof and/or facts of your statements.  And no, asking us verify every one of your accusations does not count.  If you speak the truth I'd be happy to have you as part of our community - even if we don't agree on all subjects.

If they do not support your version of events you will voluntarily leave our site for making baseless accusations.  No banning necessary - you just leave.

Deal?

I have posted factual information in my prior posts and have continued to see the same negative confrontations posted toward Thomas Paine. 

The Rotary Club of Vienna manages the event with Vienna Parks & Recreaton/Police/Volunteer Fire Department.  If you call the Rotary Club of Vienna and/or any vendor sitting beside the candidate(s) (not just YOUR candidate), you will get plenty of confirmation for all info.  Thomas Paine is simply being targeted because he exposed a truth about inappropriate behaviour.  I am leaving the site and moving onward, as I see noone really listens or truly tries to find the common ground or truth.

I am sorry for all of you that zealously move forward with no real sense of compassion or logic.

God bless all of you.

Peasefulobserver

Be careful about talking about "former" officials, Arturo, since most of the Virginians who have endorsed Webb are "former" or "retired" officials.

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I have to say, after reading the comments of many people that post both here and there, this was a spat about Lowell and others being negative, and the comments were pretty much filled with facts.  Yes, it was against Lowell a bit, and yes; we all get a little crazy.  So what?  It was a post a blogger made about a blogger, and I don't really see how it can be perceived as a "scalding condemnation" in the least.

My father OF COURSE voted for John Kerry in 04.

And most of the info on that link is certainly not harmful to Webb; if the govt wants people with experience on the ground at wartime to be the people who have a say in what arms get bought and sold...well, who do you want in that job?  People that are unemployed by Enron with no military experience?  Or should we just add another "dept" or "office" aka another layer of bureaucracy?  I hate this war too, but this is just another unfortunate side to war; soldiers need weapons. 

I am a grad student in Public Admin, and if you think outsourcing to middlemen contractors is new, well..you're just plain wrong.

Forget it, it's just better off that I ignore you at this point.  And actually, like I did respond to you, it seems that you are a little ignorant when it comes to facts and history.

And you spelled naïve wrong.

Additionally,Jim Webb was NEVER part of WVC3 and NEVER received one cent of compensation from WVC3. 

Your comment that he is presently part of WVC3 is also untrue. The company referenced to by the Center of Media and Democracy's Source Watch was the WVC3 Group which ceased operating over two years ago.

Please get your facts straight.

But wasn't Webb on the board of WCV2 two years ago, three years after he had his alleged epiphany?

And wasn't Carelton Sherwood a special advisor to Reagan Secretary of the Navy James Webb.

By the way, have you ever read the editorials criticizing Webb for the way he left the Navy Secretary job?  Here are some citations that are easily found:

"Mr. Webb's Petulant Resignation" - New York Times editorial, 2/24/88

"Leadership is precisely what it (the Navy) needs and what Mr. Webb, in exiting so indignantly, has declined either to accept or to provide.” - Washington Post editorial, 2/24/88

"The Navy is Better Off Since Webb Jumped Ship" -- Newsday editorial, 2/24/88

"The Navy's petty chief officer" -- St Petersburg Times editorial, 2/24/88

If you are unable to pull these editorials out on your own, I will post them, but Lowell will immediate remove them and add them to his growing censor files.

That's how you WebbLows operate.  You either censor posts you disagree with or you automatically label them as "lies."

This site sure takes Harris Miller to task for his comments, dissecting every nuance.

Webb said what he said.

You're right, words are fair game. But I have read up on both men pretty extensively, and the overarching theme for Webb, even when he wasn't running for office, is "keep the gov't out of my bizness," which bodes well on the issue of abortion. For Miller, however, he is all over the place.

I don't know if he was talking about NARAL when he made those comments. There are much more extreme groups on abortion, but I don't know his mind, so I digress.

If anything, coming out for parental notification (which I am completely against) would help tremendously in the general as Virginia, like Ameria as a whole, is strongly pro-choice but in favor of some restrictions, like parental notification. Dems are never going to get the pro-life vote, but they can get the "we are willing to tolerate" abortion vote.

As for the Michelman endorsement, Webb did say those things in 2000, so I guess I could understand it (like the Partisans endorsement - disagree but understand), but substantively, I'm guessing very little separates the two men.

The year? 2002 A.D.  The year Harris Miller threw millons of  American Middle Class workers out of their jobs.

That's the real Harris Miller: get out of my way or I'll crush you with my money and connections.

That's the Harris Miller millons of Americans know.

Harris Miller is beyond pathetic.  Harris Miller deserves only contempt and will likely continue to act like a self-serving, dangerous lawyer until someone stops him.  It's time for responsible citizens to stand up to this rascal and send Harris Miller back to pro-Republican lobbying activities.  Even then we'll still have to stand up to him.

Harris Miller: lobbyist and scoundrel.

So there are two sides to a coin. Don't get flustered.

All available information shows that abortion rates have gone UP in the last several years. Why?

The leading cause of women choosing abortion is poverty and economic insecurity. The NUMBER ONE reason that women give for having an abortion is financial. 

Estimates show literally millions of U.S. jobs being offshored by 2015.  Many already have been. An increased rate of abortion can be attributed directly to lost opportunity and the added burden placed on the middle and lower classes.

So, Michelman and Miller, do you ever think about the consequences of your actions?  Do you not have the remotest grasp on cause and effect? The fact of the matter is, unless she is extremely mentally ill, NO WOMAN WANTS TO GET AN ABORTION. 

Silly me.  I've been telling pro-life people (doubt if you talk with them very often) that while I am pro-choice, what we HAVE IN COMMON is that we are committed to fewer abortions!  That's right. Fewer abortions.  Fewer situations where women need to make that choice.

I've been explaining to them that I believe that the most reliable way to reduce not only abortions but also birth defects is through

  -- reducing poverty
  -- better education

I know of a woman who had an abortion very recently.  She did so because neither she nor her husband could find adequate employment to support the family they already have. 

Michelman, in Miller you are supporting a candidate who over several decades has worked for policies that have resulted in more women needing to choose abortion.  This is not helpful politically for either of you, and it is anything but helpful to flesh-and-blood people in the real world.

Although I respect most of what you said, the item I don't agree with is the statement: "The leading cause of women choosing abortion is poverty and economic insecurity. The NUMBER ONE reason that women give for having an abortion is financial."

Although financial concerns play a major role (after they get pregnant), it's not the cause of abortions.....the true cause is irresponsible and/or promiscuous intercourse.  If they're in an adult relationship, the contraception not used is the issue.  If they're young and "ignorant/careless", then it's an issue of being young and irresponsible and feeling that there are no other options.

Although we women have so many issues to address as we grow up, the MAIN issue is lack of responsibility.......

Financial issues only play into the equation AFTER we were careless.

I belive in choice, but mainly believe in the education issue more than the economic issue. 

Statistice will show MOST abortions happen with younglings that HAVE another parent to help (usually their own mother). 

I agree about financial issues.....but to simply talk about the married couple not having the financial ability to maintain the baby....that's sadly irresponsible.  To get pregnant (knowing about contraception) and then blame economics after-the-fact is also irresponsible.

I hope you see we MAINLY agree, but just not on the one issue.  :-)

peacefulobserver 

However, I don't feel it is the government's role to be making these conversations compulsory.  The sad fact is, not all teenagers are lucky enough to have parents who they can approach for help.  The fact that some teenagers have abusive parents should not prevent any teenager from seeking reproductive health care from a qualified medical practitioner.

Furthermore, I do not believe that any young woman should be forced to give birth without her consent.  Therefore, I strongly oppose mandatory parental consent for abortions."

This reminds me of something slightly related.  There was a huge outcry when Virginia had the "Sex with a minor: don't go there" campaign.  Many people found it embarassing. I thought it was a great idea. 

I now see your position on this issue.

May I offer a differing side to the issue?

If there weren't compulsory laws in relation to abortion consent, ALL levels of abuse would occur. All minors that simply are irresponsible would go "unchecked".  If you don't want consent laws for "the fact that some teenagers have abusive parents"....then it's like saying we should impose the death penalty for all criminals because some of them may have have committed murder in their crime.  Although it's a ludicrous analogy (forgive me), it represents the fact that SO FEW parents are abusive (in relation to the parental kingdom out there).  To allow such a damaging/traumatic/invasive/unsupervised event to occur with your "baby" (no matter how old they are), without you being able to help in some manner, is unfathomable for me.  The truth is that parents aren't taking the hard line on issues enough these days.

Not even 50 years ago, a 12-year old boy could manage a farm/animals/machinery and the 12-yr old girl could manage a household and younger siblings with the mother.  TODAY you can't get a 20-year old to clean their room.  The level of education is far superior than 50 yrs ago BUT....the level of responsibility with kids is abismal!  Many parents want friendship rather than the discipline.  I know this will rage on forever, but the increase in abortions is direclty correlated to the DECREASE in chldren's responsibility issues.

I personally have worked for an abortion hotline firm/clinic and saw how many young ones simply use abortion as a means to maintain their irresponsibility.  Kids will have sex no matter what we adults say, so there HAS to be a way of keeping some sense of management before this event (secret abortion) could occur.

Thank you for your comments and thoughts, even if they differ from nine.

peacefulobserver

If I misread your post, then I apologize now.

Thank you,
peacefulobserver