"Why We Don't Shoot Back"

By: Lowell
Published On: 8/21/2008 10:52:19 AM

This pretty much sums up how I feel right now.

Out where the voters live, you never lose by fighting back. And you never win by holding back. You see this principle at work everywhere you find winning Democrats these days - and another several decades of enlightened examples of New England-style "civilized behavior" seem sadly unlikely to persuade the rest of the country to change on this point. (More's the pity.)

Then, progressive candidates need to recruit - and listen to - political experts who cut their teeth in the South and West, and know how the tackle version of the game is played. It's no accident that LBJ, Carter, and Clinton - our only successful Democratic presidential candidates over the past 40 years - came out of the South. (And the Kennedys were products of bare-knuckles Irish machine politics that didn't pull punches, either.) It's not an accident that James Carville, Lee Atwater, and Karl Rove all came from there, either.

Obama is at his best when he reaches back into his Kansas populist side; but these days, he's no doubt got plenty of old party hands giving him the same fatal advice they gave Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, Humphrey, and even old Adlai Stevenson. (Note that they're all Northerners, too. Gore was a son of the South, but spent most of his childhood in D.C., and went to Yale.) They're going to do him in, too - and in exactly the same way - if he keeps listening. He needs people who know how to stick it right back to the GOP - fast, fearlessly, fiercely, with deadly aim and a transcendently elegant sense of style. (There's no need to give up the high road, ever. You absolutely can do this and stay classy.) And he needs them this week.

We're not going to take back the country by doing things the way they do them in Boston, Philadelphia, or the salons of Georgetown. That low-conflict style of politics is, as the Wellstone people like to say, Not Normal - at least, not outside the Northeast. The pattern is clear enough now that we can bet the movement on it: Progressives win decisively when they acknowledge and directly address the deep cultural ideas about conflict and leadership that abide in the bars and churches and county fairs in flyover country. That's where elections are won - out where vast numbers of Americans of a very different heritage are looking for that firm assurance that their candidate has the guts and wit to fight for his own honor, and theirs, and the country's as well.

Exactly right, and glaringly obvious.  What amazes me is that it's SOOOOOO hard for political "insiders" to understand this. Let me boil it down for supposedly "brilliant" political insiders - here's what you should be saying over and over again: "McCain=Bush"; McCain is a hothead; McCain is unstable; McCain is clueless and borderline senile; McCain is a warmonger who thinks you're all a bunch of whiners in a "mental recession;"  McCain does NOT represent change...certainly not for the better; Conservatism is inherently evil.  Read Thomas Frank's latest book, "The Wrecking Crew" (review coming soon), if you are unclear on that concept.

This applies, by the way, to ALL Democrats running for office this year. It also applies to what our approach to Joe "Benedict Arnold" Lieberman should  be. Here's my message to Harry Reid: pick up the phone right now, call Joe Lieberman, say the following: "F*** YOU, you traitorous SOB, you are OUTTA HERE!"  The general message? Democrats do not put up with traitors. We are strong. We are ruthless. We are not going to take any crap. Don't f*** with us. End of story.  Fight or die.

P.S.  Thanks to my grandfather the bare-knuckles boxer for both the genes and the upbringing that made me realize all this. People will never respect you unless they see you standing up for yourself.

P.P.S. Also, read what Jerome Armstrong has to say about the Obama campaign and the blogs.


Comments



exactly what my husband has been saying... (lgb30856 - 8/21/2008 11:00:15 AM)
And what I am saying to my friends.
McCain is old, can't remember, is an adulterer, etc.
Pure and simple and to the point.
As I get ready to go to Denver, I will take this thread with me and show it to my fellow delegates.
See you in Denver.


I won't be there, but have fun. (Lowell - 8/21/2008 11:03:14 AM)
n/t


Oh, and please send my love to (Lowell - 8/21/2008 11:05:06 AM)
Dominion Power when it's not busy "honoring Tim Kaine."  Barf.


McCain is a golddigger (Hugo Estrada - 8/21/2008 11:53:36 AM)
Yes, there is a nice American tradition on that, but still, it sounds bad and it is true. And note that it was used against Kerry.


Posted this in another thread (Silence Dogood - 8/21/2008 11:27:07 AM)
Strategically-speaking, Obama hopes to leverage the "General Election" part of the cycle, where McCain is restricted to public financing, to decisively drive the conversation on to election day.  That means Obama has to save resources now to build that edge, while McCain has to blow through every dollar he has right now.  That means that while the post-convention phase of the election should favor Obama, the pre-convention phase will strategically benefit McCain, and there's no way around that.  This is like an Olympic track event--if you sprint full out the first 100 meters of an event, you'll be the front-runner, but if you're exhausted running the last 100 meters, the rest of the field will catch up and beat you.

So I'm not panicked yet.

Do I feel like the resources that are being spent now are having the fullest possible impact?  Not really.



By then it will be too late (AnonymousIsAWoman - 8/21/2008 11:38:46 AM)
Bob Shrum stated that the reason the Kerry campaign didn't answer the Swiftboat lies sooner was because they didn't have enough money.  They were saving their funds until October.  But after several weeks, they realized they'd made a tactical mistake and it was too late.  They never recovered from it.

If Obama waits until September, he will already be defined in voters' minds by McCain.  Obama is still the greater unknown.  He's got a financial advantage right now and he needs to use it to counter-attack.  



Yup. And Obama won't really have a financial advantage... (FMArouet21 - 8/21/2008 1:32:55 PM)

in the general election, because the RNC and 527 groups will step up to cover for McCain's disadvantage from accepting public funding.

Hope that Team Obama hasn't already waited too long to start playing hardball.

Sometime it seems that a clone of Bob Shrum must be running the campaign out of Chicago. Where are those sharp Chicago elbows?



I don't buy this... (TurnPWBlue - 8/21/2008 11:48:03 AM)
Obama has enough money (and the faucet doesn't seem to be slowing down) to counter McCain now and continue to pound him once McCain's public financing limits kick in.  The danger in waiting is that perceptions have already been molded and are hard to change.

To counter your analogy, look at what happened in the women's marathon.  One runner decided to break from the pack earlier than the others.  No one ever caught her.  They weren't even close.   This race is not in the first 100 meters.  We're into the heart of the run.  It's time to make the choice as to whether we'll stay with the pack, letting them hang on or whether we'll press ahead and dare the rest to try to keep up.



And if Obama answers now, McCain bleeds (Hugo Estrada - 8/21/2008 11:55:56 AM)
Good old attrition. Make him spend his limited funds now, when most people are not looking.


Couple things (Silence Dogood - 8/21/2008 12:44:27 PM)
Starting with Hugo:

(A) You don't HAVE to make McCain spend his limited funds now.  The law has pretty much mandates his spending paterns for the rest of the year.

(B) If you sincerely believe that most people are not looking now, then you don't believe there's any strategic risk in doing nothing now.

Moving up the line to TPWB:

I agree that Obama has a fundraising edge, but it's not as significant at this point as people seem to believe, at least not to the point where you can advocate increased spending.  McCain has access to $84 million in public financing the months of September and October.  Barack Obama has $66 million on hand, spends about $50 million per month, and rasises about that much as well.  Taking that $66 million advantage and adding in the the money he will hopefully raise, he'll have access to a 2:1 advantage.  If he shoots his wad now, he's going into the general election with financial parity, which is precisely NOT what the campaign intended to do strategically by opting out of public financing months ago.

And finally AIAW:

That's the appropriate concern to voice--not strategy, but tactics.  Tactically, do I have concerns that the funds that are being used right now are being used as effectively as possible.  Of course, that was the point of my last sentence.  Obama's spending about 3/5ths of his expenditures on ads.  McCain's clocking in at about 2/3rds.  I think Obama's "same old politics" attack is tactically weak and would like to see a harder hit.  Finally, I worry that his economy message isn't clear and crisp enough.  I know you're a fan of Krugman's columns in the NYT, as well, so I'm sure you saw "It's the Economy, Stupor!"  I largely agree.  McCain's driving the conversation towards foreing policy, away from his greatest weakness, the economy.  Reasoned tactical adjustments should be made within the overarching strategy.



Good points (Hugo Estrada - 8/21/2008 1:35:13 PM)
First, I didn't know that the law sets the schedule on how he spends money. Thanks for teaching me that. :)

Your second point is correct as well. However, your reading, correct by what is written, is not what I meant. I didn't express myself well :) What I meant was this: if you make him spend his money now, he won't have any for the rest of the campaign. But if you can't make McCain run out of money by law, this point is beyond discussion.



It's not a schedule per se (Silence Dogood - 8/21/2008 2:27:09 PM)
It's just that McCain has about 12 days to spend around $20 million, so he's going to.  After that he's got about 60 days to go on a budget between $80 and $90 million, so about $1.5 million per day.  If you believe the donation patterns are going to hold, Obama will be able to spend $3 million per day between the convention and election day, which is when we'll find out how good this strategy actually is.


So, can he end up without money if a publicity offensive is launched? (Hugo Estrada - 8/21/2008 3:14:06 PM)
Let's say, early in those 60 days he is forced to respond to a major ad campaign, forcing him to spend more that 1.5 million per day. At some point he would run out of money, theoretically. That is where I would like him to be, if this is possible.


I think it's unlikely they'd be that stupid (Silence Dogood - 8/21/2008 3:57:19 PM)
But it is a lovely thing to wish for.  I'd expect some heavy spending in the week immediately after the GOP convention to see how quickly McCain is willing to burn through his cash.  If they can force the Republican campaign to abandon their budget and front-load their spending, they will.  If not, Obama's crew will slow spending and dig in for a longer fight.


He is desperate, if pushed, he may have to (Hugo Estrada - 8/22/2008 10:05:21 AM)
After all, McCain did run out of money one time in this campaign. And he was swiftboated once, making him probably paranoid about a strong offensive against him.

As it was mentioned before in this thread, he is already spending 3/5 of his money on ads. Make him spend more, and he will have less and less money for on the ground organizing.

Kerry ended up his campaign with a surplus. It has done us a lot of good. I don't see why, if we have a money advantage, we don't use it.



I don't like ending with surpluses (Silence Dogood - 8/22/2008 11:57:46 AM)
Although it's easier to accidentally do that when you think, particularly if you find yourself in the position where you're constantly responding rather than driving the conversation.  Once you get into the mentality where you have to constantly budget some reserve for your next response, you're squirreling away money you actually could be spending on something useful and important now.

This is a huge part of why I think that you're right--we do want McCain to blow half his budget the first two weeks of November--and that's why I suspect we'll see an aggressive probe, and why it ultimately won't succeed in baiting McCain.  Obama will open with an aggressive run of strong ads while holding back some of the best stuff they have.  McCain will want to respond and will start pushing some resources forward, but eventually the campaign manager will talk down the candidate, they'll slow their spending down to a daily budget holding back that critical reserve that always ends up being a surplus, and they'll retreat into a shell and hope to ride out the storm.  Either way, Obama will almost certainly have the resources to control the initiative for the rest of the campaign.

Strategy is about the acquisition and use of resources in time and space towards completing an objective, and I'm not going to mince words: I think this is a winning strategy.  There's an element of a gamble to it because it's untested, and a lot of very smart people identified early on these two weeks as the period of highest risk for Obama (Cilliza over at the Fix picked up on this something like six days after Obama opted out of public financing for the General Election).  If they execute well tactically, I believe they're going to win.



edit: (Silence Dogood - 8/22/2008 12:00:08 PM)
Want him to blow it the first two weeks of SEPTEMBER, obv.


Precisely. Even Team Obama is starting to figure it out. (FMArouet21 - 8/21/2008 11:33:14 AM)
In the past few days Team Obama's attack ads on McCain have taken a sharper tone. "Houses," "DHL," and "Yucca Mountain" are improvements over the campaign's previous bland pablum, but they can be made sharper still.

The frame--which actually does reflect reality--can be simple:

McCain: confused and out of touch at home; reckless and out of touch abroad.


Exactly right Lowell (AnonymousIsAWoman - 8/21/2008 11:35:12 AM)
It is precisely because of the way the high priced consultants and Georgetown insiders blew both Gore's and Kerry's campaigns that I started blogging.  And also dissatisfaction with media coverage of both those election cycles.

But the main thing that frustrated me was exactly the lack of balls to fight back against attacks.  I don't, however, think it's because they're Northeasterners.  As I recall, politics in New York, New Jersey - and even Midwestern cities like Chicago and Cleveland - could be pretty bare knuckled.  Democrats knew how to fight and fight hard.

What in hell has happened to us?



Jimmy Carter? (HisRoc - 8/21/2008 3:19:16 PM)


lol (Tiderion - 8/22/2008 11:14:43 AM)
I like Carter. He just had some issues...still has some issues. Tells you how much people didn't like Ford, huh?

"Liberal guilt," I would guess.



Great point (TurnPWBlue - 8/21/2008 11:42:48 AM)
I was talking with a neighbor before I left for vacation two weeks ago and the subject of politics came up.  This neighbor is working middle class, blue collar.  Not an avid church goer or religious fundamentalist.  He's married, has two kids, and his brother is openly gay.  He's a hunter and outdoor enthusiast, but he keeps his hunting rifles locked up at the gun club because he doesn't want guns in the house with his young children.

He said he was still undecided about who to vote for in the fall and is actually leaning towards McCain.

After I returned my jaw to it's normal position from where it had dropped, I asked him is he was really that stupid.  He has absolutely no reason to vote Republican.  He's not rich enough to benefit from Republican tax policy.  He doesn't have a conservative social agenda.  He doesn't hold stock in a bunch of companies or serve on their boards.

When I pressed him on why he was leaning that way, he said he wasn't so sure about electing someone as liberal as Obama.  When I pressed him further about what made Obama's liberalism a bad thing, he could only parrot back some of the sound bites he'd picked up from the ads McCain is running and the continuous talking points spewed on Fox News.  When I started to correct him and started giving him some of McCain's history, he was the one slack-jawed.  He said he's have to look into some of those things and wondered why Obama's campaign hadn't made more of an issue of McCain's volatilty and why they let McCain continue to try to portray himself as a "maverick."  The most telling comment was when he said "See, that's the problem with the Democrats.  They let the Republicans define who they are and never get around to saying, 'Wait!  You're full of sh**.  This is who I am and this is what I believe.  I'll speak for myself, thank you very much."

When I got back home this past weekend, I noticed that my neighbor now has an Obama sticker on his truck.

There is nothing dishonorable or low-brow about pointing out legitimate weaknesses in your opponent.  You have to draw a clear line between who you are as a candidate and who your opponent really is.  For far too long Democrats have been afraid to establish themselves by drawing contrasts.  We don't need to shoot back for the sake of shooting, but we certainly shouldn't stand by while we're sucker punched.



The Emily Post Democrats doing their magic already (Hugo Estrada - 8/21/2008 12:05:06 PM)
Before reading this entry, I had just started a thread in a history forum about how McCain is just like Bush.

This is the answer that I got from a conservative. I disagree with the initial paragraph, but the important insight is what follows. My emphases:

Well, hugo, if Obama doesn't get his shit together, John McCain, 72 years old and Bush 2.0, or whatever, is going to win the election.
The Democrats are certainly no "Demogra-crats."  The Republicans put up Bush 2.0, and the Dems, with the chance to turn this election into a rout, self destruct by hashing out their nominating process with primaries between a woman (first time), and a Black guy with an Islamic-sounding name (first, first time).

Not smart.  Now they are hanging on by their finger nails.  Senator Obama is increasingly seen as an effete wimp who may not really want this election badly enough.

Politics isn't an Ivy League tea party.  If you want to eat the ham, you gotta get down and dirty with the rest of the hogs.

If not, Obama = Kerry 2.0



Obama needs some rednecks on his team (Catzmaw - 8/21/2008 12:48:31 PM)
Like the kids I grew up with.  No backing down, no letting an insult pass without a strong and vigorous response, and no crying.  Obama's cagey and shrewd and understands the technical intricacies of Chicago politics, but someone needs to school him on what to do when some lout comes up and shoves you, sucker punches you, mocks you in front of your friends.  Somebody needs to school him in streetfighting.  

Here's the thing - people like the ones I grew up with do not like or respect folks who won't defend themselves, who are above fighting.  They don't trust people who always seem cool and unflappable.  They like to see a little heat, a little passion, and a willingness to knock down the creep who's trashing you.  They want to see the torn shirt, the spots of blood on the collar, the telltale red mark on the cheek, and the raised fist at the ready.  They want to see Obama reacting as if he's worth fighting for because they won't follow someone who acts as if defending himself is not important.  



I'm not alone (Teddy - 8/21/2008 12:56:05 PM)
and thank God for that... see my diary today "So, I'm worried." I may be from upstate New York, but my father was Scots Irish low country South Carolina boy, not given to bad temper but definitely a fighter (literally, he was a batallion commander throughout World War II). The perceptive article quoted by Lowell explains what I saw in my own family (my mother was a New Englander). I assure you I am ready to give some of the "advisors" from the national Democrats a knuckle sandwich. Give us hardworking trench slogger a FIGHT, goddam you.


Well, if you wanted no holds barred (tx2vadem - 8/21/2008 4:15:31 PM)
then why didn't ya'll vote for Hillary?  I mean you take the good with the bad.  Or you could have had angry John Edwards.  Has there been some change in his style of campaigning from the Democratic Primary to now?  Maybe he just needs a good surrogate as his choice for VP.

Also, how hard do you want to hit back?  What is off the table?  



We want to hit back and hit back hard (AnonymousIsAWoman - 8/21/2008 4:39:09 PM)
Unlike the McCain campaign which doesn't seem to recognize the truth, I haven't seen one person suggest making things up.  But we want a coordinated response that contrasts the real McCain against the real Obama.  We can go head to head, toe to toe on character issues, policy, vision for America, and leadership and judgment.  We just have to take the gloves off and make a real case that McCain is unfit to lead, which is true!

He is tempermentally unsuited to be president; he's well known for his vicious temper and his insults of fellow senators and even his wife.  It is also well known, in political and media circles, that he cheated on his first wife; divorced her; and married a rich, beautiful trophy wife.  He also was involved in the Keating 5 scandal.  And his current wife has refused to disclose her financial holdings, some of which could be a conflict of interest for McCain.  Teresa Heinz-Kerry was criticized in 2004 for a similar refusal.

McCain surrounds himself with lobbyists, some of whom have lobbied for foreign governments, including Georgia.  He has flip flopped on major issues.  And speaking of major issues, he's made some serious gaffes, including not knowing the difference between Sunnis and Shiites.  Yet he holds himself up as better suited to lead on foreign policy.

Have I said anything yet that is not widely known and that can't be documented?

Given he threw the first punch, what exaclty about this should be off limits by the Obama campaign?  I'd never say go negative first.  But enough is more than enough.  The McCain campaign has not even told the truth about Obama.  Why are we holding back factual attacks?



A dissenting view (Quizzical - 8/22/2008 12:37:11 AM)
I prefer a Democratic party that fights back too, but I disagree that the quoted passage offers accurate history.  Take Al Gore, for instance.  He was a skilled debater, and the press corps turned that against him, and slammed him for being an "attack dog."  I remember this only because Bob Somerby is constantly reliving that campaign.  E.g. http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh0...

THE ATLANTIC (8/00): Al Gore is the most lethal debater in politics, a ruthless combatant who will say whatever it takes to win, and who leaves opponents not just beaten but brutalized.

I'll defend Dukakis too -- he fought very hard in the last month or so of his campaign, and closed the gap, but not by enough.  Sure he made a couple of mistakes -- that debate answer for example, or posing for photographs in an unflattering tanker's helmet.  But to say he was too genteel to take hard shots at his opponent is just wrong.

And what about recent history -- I thought Obama demonstrated plenty of toughness in the primary campaign.  As he often pointed out, he came up in politics in Chicago.  Has Obama changed the leadership in his campaign since he won the primary?  Is David Plouffe gone now? I don't think so.  If they are holding back, I'm sure they have a good reason.  Perhaps it's that they don't want to look like they are beating up on an old man who was awarded the medal of honor.



On Al Gore (Bubby - 8/22/2008 12:09:03 PM)
When Al Gore mouthed the words in support of a "national gun license", I could hear the sound of 5 million voters heading out of the tent.  I never thought he really believed it, but I thought, if he won't support the right to self-protection, what will he stand up for?...and I walked too.

And he did allow himself to be saddled with that two-faced SOB Lieberman.  What a concocted, pandering political move of convenience.

I like Al a lot now that he's out from under the spell of weinees. He's a fighter in his own right. He leads from the strength of his own convictions and has risked much.

 



You are now an Obamabilly! (Bubby - 8/22/2008 11:52:00 AM)
Congratulations!  Fidelity in Peace, and War!

That Sara Robinson is HOT!