Obama in Afganistan, Iraqi PM endorses Obama's withdrawal plan

By: Rob
Published On: 7/19/2008 11:20:45 AM

Obama's overseas trip has started with a visit to Afghanistan.  

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama arrived in Afghanistan Saturday, according to a campaign spokesman, the first stop on a weeklong foreign tour that will take him to seven countries, including Iraq.

Details of his itinerary in the war zone were kept closely guarded for security reasons, but the Illinois senator told reporters before leaving Washington on Thursday that he hoped to spend much of his time listening to military commanders and Afghan and Iraqi leaders, including Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, to gauge conditions in both countries.

Speaking of al-Maliki, the PM has allowed this trip to start on a positive note with these comments about Obama and McCain's plans in Iraq:

al-Maliki told a German magazine he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months....

"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes."...

Asked if he supported Obama's ideas more than those of John McCain, Republican presidential hopeful, Maliki said he did not want to recommend who people should vote for.

"Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality. Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."

 Like artificially extending the stay for 50 years, maybe a hundred?  Maybe 100 years or a 1000 years or 10,000 years?  This endorsement of Obama's plan in Iraq and rejection of McCain's desire for a permanent presence is certainly a great way to start the news coverage of Obama's visit to the region.  

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It Gets Better--Get this: Petraeus says (KathyinBlacksburg - 7/19/2008 1:15:37 PM)
According to ABCNEWS's Jake Tapper.

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. military commander in Iraq, told The Associated Press today that there are indications al-Qaida's senior leaders are diverting fighters from the war in Iraq to the Afghan frontier.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...

Could Obama be any more correct? Even Petraeus indirectly lends credence to Obama's idea.



Obama As Foreign Policy Guru (Peace - 7/19/2008 2:00:35 PM)
Obama has many strengths, but foreign policy is not one of them.   Prior to becoming a serious contender, he showed little interest in U.S. hotspots.

According to the Washington Post, our embassy in Iraq hosts many US legislators.  http://www.washingtonpost.com/...  Interesting to me is the list of the most frequent visitors -- legislators who tried to keep on top of things by visiting on a continual basis.  The leaders -- Chris Shays of CT (16), Jack Reed of RI (11), Jim Marshall of GA (11), Carl Levin of MI (9), Joe Wilson of SC (9), and John McCain (8).  Obama is at (1).

One visit.

This is consistent with Obama talking about national service but not referring to the military.  Or Obama now getting interested in Afghanistan, whereas he never was before.  Even Biden criticized him for it.

Biden is now defending Obama:

In a letter to Obama earlier this week, McCain-backing Sen. Jim DeMint R- SC, wrote, "With oversight of NATO relations and its role in Afghanistan, I believe it is time for us to focus closely on these issues," DeMint wrote, suggesting a meeting of the subcommittee upon Obama's return from a much anticipated trip abroad.  

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joe Biden, D-Del., had previously told Meet the Press that "the reason Obama didn't hold a hearing on NATO, I chair the committee. Every one of those committee hearings are held at full committee."

But today Biden decided to take his defense of Obama one step further, writing to DeMint that there have been plenty of hearings on European Affairs, they've just been held at the "full committee level."

"On the particular issue of NATO's mission in Afghanistan," Biden wrote, "We have held three Full Committee hearings in the last 22 months . . .

Jake Tapper of ABC News, who compiled this info, noted:

But Biden's letter brought attention to the fact that Obama did not attend two of those three hearings -- and for the third, on March 8, 2007, Obama only asked one question, one unrelated to Afghanistan.

How do I know the latter fact? From an August 2007 press release from Biden himself, when he was running for president.

"BIDEN CAMPAIGN CONGRATULATES SEN. OBAMA FOR JOHNNY-COME-LATELY POSITION," it read. Noting that at the March 2007 hearing, "Sen. Obama asked one question that was unrelated to Taliban or Afghanistan."

Thanks, Joe!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...

Politico had more of the story on Biden's "Before he was nominated" criticism: http://www.politico.com/blogs/...  

Sen. Biden has been talking about this for over 6 months. Dating back to January 5th, Sen. Biden said America Should Surge Troops in Afghanistan. He told the Washington Post, "If we're surging troops anywhere, it should be in Afghanistan," Biden said. Adding troops there would give the United States "the moral high ground" in its quest for more forces from NATO allies. [Washington Post, 1/5/07]

"We find it a little disingenuous that Sen. Obama is hailing this as a new bold initiative when he has neglected to join his colleagues in the Senate when the opportunities have been there to redirect our forces into Afghanistan" said Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro. "It's good to see Sen. Obama has finally arrived at the right position, but this can hardly be considered bold leadership."

Obama's gaffe about the Brandenburg Gate was just the tip of the iceberg as far as his inexperience goes.  One does not make moves overseas without consulting the leaders of the affected countries.  Obama and his staff are showing the same type of hubris we've come to expect from Bush.  He is showing the same type of duplicity Bush showed, too, with his scrubbing of his website to erase evidence of his opposition to the surge in Iraq.  Personally, I opposed the surge.  I was wrong.  Rather than admit his error, Obama now seeks to hide it.  This is exactly the same type crapola that Bush did.

 



Maybe Barack can learn? (Teddy - 7/19/2008 3:11:48 PM)
Therein lies one of many differences between the actions (or non-actions) of Bush as compared to Obama. Now that Bush is trying to pull the rug out from under Obama by acquiring Obama's policy initiatives concerning GWOT, going so far as to re-name "timetable" as "time horizon"---- another fine example of Republican word-magic, haha---- this new-found flexibility by Bush does not reflect an ability to learn so much as another example of gimmicky verbiage mouthed for domestic political reasons.

What I personally am looking for in the next American President is not "experience" refined by long years of feeding at the public trough in Washington, the navel of the world. No, I find that type of so-called experience to be in fact a handicap. Instead, I prefer that the next President arrive with limited baggage, unencumbered by having slavishly toed the party-line, and informed rather by a keen intelligence, a flexible mind, and an ability to (to coin a phrase) think outside that box, someone who has actually lived overseas himself in a situation other than combat, young enough not to have carried his American environment with him, which insulated him against actually learning anything from that "experience."  In other words, some one who can turn the page in foreign policy with prudence, foresight, and ingenuity.



Response from the Obama campaign (Lowell - 7/19/2008 3:23:53 PM)
There are two problems with John McCain's political attacks on Barack Obama's foreign policy. First, on the biggest foreign policy questions of the last eight years, Barack Obama has made the right judgment and John McCain has sided with George Bush in making the wrong one. Second, the failure of the McCain-Bush foreign policy has forced John McCain to change his position, and to embrace the very same Obama approaches that he once attacked.

Just this week, Senator McCain has been forced by events to switch to Barack Obama's position on two fundamental issues: more troops in Afghanistan, and more diplomacy with Iran. On both issues, Obama took stands that weren't politically popular at the time - opposing the war in Iraq as a diversion from the critical mission in Afghanistan, and standing up for direct diplomacy with Iran - while John McCain lined up with George Bush. Time has proven Obama's judgment right and McCain wrong.

The next shift appears to be Iraq. For months, Senator McCain has called any plan to redeploy our troops from Iraq "surrender" - even though we'd be leaving Iraq to a sovereign Iraqi government. Now, the Bush Administration is embracing the negotiation of troop withdrawals with the Iraqi government - a position that Senator Obama called for last September, and reiterated on Monday in the New York Times. And now, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki supports Barack Obama's timeline, telling Der Speigel that, "Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months."

Afghanistan -

· McCain at the beginning of the week: more of the same

· McCain at the end of the week: more troops

Barack Obama said in 2002 that we had to finish the fight against Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan instead of invading Iraq. John McCain was George Bush's biggest supporter for a war in Iraq that took our eye off of Afghanistan, arguing that we would be "greeted as liberators"; that democracy would spread across the region; and that we could "muddle through" in         Afghanistan. On the most important foreign policy judgment of our generation, Obama got it right and McCain got it wrong.

Since then, our overwhelming focus on Iraq has caused us to shortchange Afghanistan. The result is clear. Osama bin Laden is still at large. Al Qaeda has reconstituted a sanctuary along the Pakistani border. The Taliban is on the offensive. June was the highest casualty month of the war. And Obama's judgment was reaffirmed earlier this month, when Admiral Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, said, "I don't have troops I can reach for, brigades I can reach, to send into Afghanistan until I have a reduced requirement in Iraq."

Barack Obama has consistently called for more troops and resources in Afghanistan. In August of 2007, he called for at least two additional U.S. combat brigades and $1 billion in non-military assistance. Senator McCain continued to march in lockstep with the failed Bush policy, and even argued earlier this year that "Afghanistan is not in trouble because of our diversion to Iraq." This past week, Senator McCain changed his position for political reasons, embracing Obama's call for more troops the day after Obama restated it in a New York Times op-ed, and almost one year after Obama's initial plan. McCain's proposal was complicated by the fact that the McCain campaign couldn't even get its answer straight on whether those troops would come from the U.S. or our NATO allies - leading the Times to wonder "how well formed his ideas are."

SENDING MORE TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN

Gergen: "In The Last Two Days We've Seen Twice Now The Bush Administration Reverse Itself And Take Positions That Are Much Closer To Obama's," Added "The Greater Danger To Our Troops Right Now Is In Afghanistan. That's What Obama's Been Arguing All Along." David Gergen: "For the last few months, John McCain has had the upper hand in the arguments about foreign policy, as one of the chief architects of a surge that Obama voted against and then it seemed to work. And yet in the last two days we've seen twice now the Bush administration reverse itself and take positions that are much closer to Obama's. Last night we talked about the fact that suddenly the Bush administration had reversed course and was going to begin talking directly to Iran this weekend, and now tonight we're talking about them reversing course and saying we must send more troops into Afghanistan, and Afghanistan is becoming in many ways at least as dangerous as Iraq. You know, last -- in June, there were virtually the same number of American troops who died in Afghanistan as in Iraq, and yet in Iraq we have five times as many troops. So the danger, the greater danger to our troops right now is in Afghanistan. That's what Obama's been arguing all along." [Anderson Cooper, CNN, 7/16/08]

LA Times Columnist: After Years Of Saying Afghanistan Was Not A Threat, McCain Is Now Calling For More Troops There, "Maybe Because Barack Obama Keeps Hammering Away At The Issue." LA Times columnist Rosa Brooks wrote, "Immediately after 9/11, McCain shared the widespread view that the U.S. should go to war in Afghanistan to take out those responsible for the 9/11 attacks. But by late November 2001, he wanted to "move on to the next country." Uh-huh: "Next up, Baghdad!" Of course, we stayed in Afghanistan too, but McCain had gotten tired of it. By April 2003, he said that "nobody in Afghanistan threatens the United States of America," so we could focus instead on the shiny new war in Iraq. "We don't read about [Afghanistan] anymore, because it's succeeded," he explained in October 2005. But Iraq started getting boring too, so now McCain has turned his restless attention back to Afghanistan -- maybe because Barack Obama keeps hammering away at the issue. (Obama, who's been fairly consistent on Afghanistan for six years now, is either the rare politician who doesn't suffer from ADD, or he's smart enough to take his meds.)" [Rosa Brooks Column, LA Times, 7/17/08]

IRAN

· McCain at the beginning of the week: against high-level talks with Iran

· McCain at the end of the week: praised Bush Administration's high-level talks with Iran

Barack Obama has consistently said that our policy of not pursuing direct diplomacy with Iran has failed, and he has made it clear that he favors direct talks with the Iranian regime in order to advance our interests. Senator McCain and President Bush have ridiculed Obama's support for direct diplomacy with the Iranian regime. In his trip to Israel, President Bush took implicit aim at Senator Obama, and suggested his proposals for tough diplomacy constituted "appeasement," while McCain said Obama's approach was "naive" and "shows a lack of experience.

Here is the record of the McCain-Bush approach. Iran has advanced its illicit nuclear program. Iran is now enriching uranium, and has reportedly stockpiled 150 kilos of low enriched uranium. Iran's support for terrorism has increased. Iran's threats toward Israel have increased. Those are the facts, they cannot be denied. McCain has fully supported this failed policy, while Obama has called for a new direction.

This week the Bush administration finally appeared to recognize that it is reckless refusal to participate in talks with our European allies and the Iranian regime had failed. The Bush Administration shifted its policy, and is sending a top-ranking State Department official to join in nuclear talks across the table from Iran in Geneva  Senator McCain, a long-time critic of diplomatic engagement with Iran, now changed his position to Obama's and said that he had "no problem...whatsoever" with this high-level diplomatic engagement with Iran. For the second time in one week, events on the ground forced John McCain to change his position to embrace an Obama position.

TALKS WITH IRAN

Stephanopoulous: "Undersecretary Of State William Burns Will Be Meeting With The Iranians This Weekend As Part Of Their Nuclear Talks," Obama Has "Been Calling For Those Kind Of Talks For A Long Time." George Stephanopoulous said, "Senator McCain has moved more towards Barack Obama's position on Afghanistan, calling for two or three more brigades in Afghanistan which Obama's called for a long time and watch for this, Chris. We just learned today that the Undersecretary of State William Burns will be meeting with the Iranians this weekend as part of their nuclear talks. Watch for the Obama campaign to say this vindicates Barack Obama's position. He's been calling for those kind of talks for a long time." [ABC Good Morning America, 7/16/08]

Gibson: Bush Administration Insisted It Would Not Talk With Iran, But Its New Willingness to Talk "Is Essentially What Barack Obama Has Been Proposing." Charlie Gibson: "The Bush administration, for years, has insisted it would not talk with Iran until Iran suspended its nuclear enrichment program. That policy was reversed today. The State Department said it will send Undersecretary of State William Burns to meet face-to-face with Iran's nuclear negotiator this weekend. So, Martha Raddatz is here to explain what seems like a major turnaround...There are political implications to this because this is essentially what Barack Obama has been proposing, isn't it?" Martha Raddatz said, "It sure sounds like it, Charlie. There's a good quote today, from John Bolton, the former U.N. ambassador. He said this is like getting an Obama administration six months early. The White House says it's very different. But it sure sounds like it's heading in that direction." [ABC World News, 7/16/08]

Bolton Sarcastically Said Bush Shift Toward Talking To Iran "Is The State Department Effort To Insure A Smooth Transition To The Obama Administration." John Bolton said of the Bush Administration's agreeing to talks with Ira, "Even if this is a one time only event in the Bush administration, it legitimizes the Obama administration to do the same thing," he said. "It undercuts McCain, and Republicans on the Hill. This is the State Department effort to insure a smooth transition to the Obama administration." [New York Sun, 7/17/08]

Washington Post: While Bush Administration Opposed US Officials Accompanying Solana To Iran Talks, "Obama Campaign Officials Had Said That One Of The First Steps He Would Take As President Would Be To End The Ban On U.S. Officials Accompanying Solana." "Administration officials have long insisted that U.S. representatives would not join even preliminary discussions with Tehran until it stops enriching uranium -- a distinction that presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has called counterproductive. In June, when Solana traveled to Tehran to present a sweetened offer to Iran to negotiate, the United States pointedly did not join other members of the international coalition in sending a senior official to the meeting. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said at the time that no U.S. representative would attend unless 'Iran suddenly has a change of tune and says that they will meet the demands of the international community, which are expressed in U.N. Security Council resolutions.' European officials hailed the news that Burns would come to Geneva as a breakthrough, one that sends a clear message to Iran that the international community is interested in negotiating a solution to the nuclear impasse. 'It is a very interesting and important sign by the United States,' one senior European official said last night. Obama campaign officials had said that one of the first steps he would take as president would be to end the ban on U.S. officials accompanying Solana." [Washington Post, 7/15/08]

The Guardian: McCain has "no problem...whatsoever" with  high-level talks with Iran. "John McCain, said he had 'no problem . . . whatsoever' with Burns going to the Geneva meeting, but repeated said he would not meet Ahmadinejad. " [The Guardian (London), 7/18/08]

IRAQ

Barack Obama has consistently called for a responsible redeployment of our troops from Iraq so that we can press the Iraqis to take responsibility for their country, restore our military, and finish the fight in Afghanistan. It is in America's interests to end the Iraq War responsibly, and it is in the interest of the Iraqi people to have a government that reconciles its differences and takes responsibility for the future of Iraq.

John McCain has consistently labeled any plan to remove U.S. troops from Iraq as "surrender." However, just this week, the White House agreed on a "general time horizon" for the removal of U.S. troops from Iraq. And speaking to Der Spiegel, Prime Minister Maliki said, "Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months." He went on to say, "Artificially prolonging the tenure of US troops in Iraq would cause problems."

Senator McCain has said that we must leave Iraq when the sovereign government of Iraq wants us to. Now that the White House has shifted closer to Senator Obama's position on negotiating the redeployment of our troops from Iraq, and the Prime Minister of the sovereign government of Iraq has endorsed Senator Obama's 16 month timeline, will Senator McCain shift his position on redeploying troops from Iraq? Why does Senator McCain refuse to press the Iraqis to stand up? Why does Senator McCain want to stay in Iraq longer than we need to and longer than the Iraqis want us to?  Does Senator McCain think it would be "surrender" to leave Iraq to the Iraqi government?

Council on Foreign Relations, McCain: "I don't see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people" QUESTION: Let me give you a hypothetical, senator. What would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there? I understand it's a hypothetical, but it's at least possible. McCAIN: Well, if that scenario evolves, then I think it's obvious that we would have to leave because- if it was an elected government of Iraq- and we've been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government, then I think we would have other challenges, but I don't see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people. http://www.cfr.org/publication... {April 22, 2004}



We already know that (KathyinBlacksburg - 7/20/2008 12:59:55 PM)
despite his service in Congress, John McCain knows absolutely nothing about Foreign Policy.  He must have missed too many days in the Senate.  But the public thinks he does because he was a POW.  We all honor his heroism then.  But that does not translate into foreign policy experience or knowledge for the presidency.  

How you can suggest that Obama, who has been right on so many different instances and who lives in the real world instead of  on BUSH-McCain World, and who understands where our country needs to be headed (and, BTW, how to get there) is lacking something simply astounds.

What we have learned from listening to John McCain for years, is he doesn't get it and the only reason voters think he does is because the collective media tell them so.  And that would be a lie.

PS the number of trips doesn't translate into knowledge.  We  already know that.  Every McCain grandstand trip leads to more and more idiocy.  Furthermore, since visitors depend on Blackwater etc. to get around, they do not get to see anything except which the Bush admin wants them to see.  So they have do do their homework too.  Oh, yeh, John McCain is incapable of that.  He "already knows everything," which is flatly zero.  

Too many people are still full of resentment that Obama got fast-tracked because he was a fast-track leader.  What we need to know about him is what his positions are, details of his proposals, whom he surrounds himself with (hint, not losers like Phil Gramm and conflagrationists like Hagee)and how he runs his campaign, how he learns,. what he learns form experiences.  AND WHEN HE HAS BEEN RIGHT.  (Sorry to shout.  But this is critical.  It is a matter of judgment.  And over and over, Obama proves he has sound judgment to lead.  Do you see a single other candidate who is even in the real world?

PS John McCain doesn't get the Constitution either.



Obama and Foreign Policy (aznew - 7/20/2008 1:58:02 PM)
You write:

Obama and his staff are showing the same type of hubris we've come to expect from Bush.

You could not be more wrong. First, the problem with the Bush policies was not hubris, it was arrogance and ignorance.

Second, to the extent the stagecraft of this trip was not perfect (and I have no idea if it was lacking -- I haven't been watching too closely), what on Earth does that have to do with the substance of his policies.

Do you really believe trips to Iran and Afghanistan matter that much? Politicians get dog and pony shows that probably do more harm than good. They come back from Iraq thinking everything is just dandy because they have been given a VIP tour, and vote for exactly the wrong policies.

You then speak about "Obama's gaffe at the Brandenburg Gate." Please. This was not an international gaffe. It became an issue because the Bush Administration poked its nose into the business of where Obama would give his speech. It became an issue not because the Germans were upset, but because the GOP was upset.

I could go on with respect to your comment, but don't have the time. I will say, though, that your drawing any kind of equivalence between the Obama campaign and George W. Bush's eight years of incompetence and criminality is really beyond the pale, IMHO.

Even if you accept everything you say about Obama as true, it would still be like comparing a purse snatcher to John Dillinger.



What I Have Learned From bush-cheney (norman swingvoter - 7/19/2008 8:38:05 PM)
As readers know I am NO fan of bush-cheney who should both be in jail, in my opinion.  However, I have still learned from them.  I used to value experience highly.  After nearly 8 years of this crap, I would gladly take someone with great judgement over lots of experience any day of the week.  The person with great judgement can weight suggestions from those with plenty of experience to come up with a sound plan.  The person without good judgement comes up with the plans of bush-cheney.