Liveblogging DNC RBC Meeting Part 2

By: Kip
Published On: 5/31/2008 6:14:13 PM

Well after a long delay (we were supposed to get back at 4:15). We are back at it, er almost.

Word is some type of deal has been struck. But of course nothing is clear. I just hope that we are able to strike a reasonable compromise. At this point, I think Obama will be fine whatever deal emerges I just want to see our party begin the long and hard process of healing.

What do you all think?

There is more on the flip:
Meeting gaveled to order. We will find out soon.

The members have reviewed the testimony. Alright folks let's get this done quickly.

Limiting debate, thank goodness. We do have to end this before the convention.

1) Motion FL Superdelegates - Osman Challenge. Wow, it is bright up here in the front.

Fully seat FL - lots of applause -
Kind request for some restraint. Good luck with that. We should not penalize FL Dems. Everyone here is for the right to vote.

Does this analogy work for anyone else:

Florida 08 is to Civil Rights
As Iraq is to 9/11

Democrats not worry about 2012 because I might be dead? Really that is a GOP philosophy.

FL tried to get a recount. Funny how those don't seem to work out for Dems. We need to respect the rules. FL didn't follow them. Chaos without the rules, in 2012. Vote, vote, vote.

We're not a party of inclusion?
The rules mean rules. Beauty contests, good word.

Obama supporters follow the rules!

The votes will carry by 2/3. Let's do it.

12 votes in favor and 15 opposed.
One of Hillary's supporters didn't support her.

Denver chant from Hillary supporters. This is absurd. Motion defeated.

Motion for 1/2 vote. The record for votes would be: 52.5 Clinton, 33.5 Obama, 6.5 Edwards. This will work. Relief for FL. Please conduct yourselves properly.

Uh oh Ickes! Actually Ickes was fine.

27 votes for the Osman position. One abstention. Unaminous.

FL halved. YES YES YES

Motion on MI - VA's own MI
1/2 half vote 69/59- 34.5/29.5

Ickes strikes backs!

Inexplicable, uhmmm, MI broke the rules
I don't understand this 1st Amendment connection.
Will misrepresent 600,000 MI voters, except those who didn't vote. Awww, Ickes is stunned. Well maybe if the election would have counted.
Is Ickes full of it? You bet your ass.
Woes of uncommitted voters. Let's see how many friends Ickes has?

Clinton supporters embarrasing Clinton. Funny I thought the Obama supporters were the cult.

Clinton fighting to credentials? Shock and awe baby!

DNC RBC has got nothing on my Middle Schoolers. I wish had some lunch detention slips.

Fair play! Thank goodness. People of MI to have an opportunity to participate in this process. Selective amnesia, what a wonderful euphemism.

Voting. Read it one more time Mame.

The count 8 against, motion carries! Oh my gosh they are seriously chanting for McCain.

Clinton supporters seriously YOU ARE HURTING YOUR CANDIDATE.

Ok that's wrap prediction came true. Wow this is quite something. I am proud of the party.

Many more thoughts later. Let's keep the conversation going. Alright all I am out.


Comments



Okay, Okay, let's heal...heal...heal...Okay now Hillary you've made (bladerunner - 5/31/2008 6:26:07 PM)
your point, now give up this childish idea that your the greatest thing on earth since sliced bread, and get with the program. We all realize that you have put up with a lot to get in this position(Bills constant infidelity) but it's over Hillary, you're either with us or you're not. When you don't win are you going to take all of your marbles and go home or get out there and help the Dems win this election? Please put your large Clinton ego away now, and start being a team player!!!!


Decorum (Greg - 5/31/2008 6:39:58 PM)
It's really unfortunate -- all of the shouting Clinton supporters in the audience -- I can just see how Fox et al are going to use the footage of this meeting as proof of the 'divided Democrats' meme...


"Gall and Chutzpah" (Greg - 5/31/2008 6:54:13 PM)
Harold Ickes is the one with the chutzpah!


Credentials committee (Greg - 5/31/2008 6:58:59 PM)
OK, now I'm really annoyed. With the classy and conciliatory messages from Clinton supporters Mame Reilly and Don Fowler, I was beginning to think the Clinton campaign was going to accept the nominee and help unify the party -- now it looks like they may very well continue to divide the party through the summer.

Please, folks -- we need to come back togther... I'd be saying the same thing if Clinton were the presumptive nominee at this point...



Wait and see (tx2vadem - 5/31/2008 8:42:23 PM)
is the attitude I am taking.  Ickes was over the top, but I can understand the passion regarding the allocation.  Though I think quibbling over 4 delegates and assignment of the uncommitted ones seems to be making too much of it.

I don't know that it looks like it will continue past next week though.  We'll just have to wait and see.  



Ickes (spotter - 5/31/2008 6:54:27 PM)
is on the committee and using profanity.  Can't the chair put a stop to this temper tantrum?  Who IS this moron?


This is utterly outrageous (Lowell - 5/31/2008 6:55:42 PM)
This is language we don't even use on RK.


Ugh (Greg - 5/31/2008 7:03:25 PM)
I'm sure Fox News is going to have a field day with this footage, edited for effect -- with a bleep in Ickes' comments. It's unconscionable what Clinton is doing -- essentially saying, if "I'm not the nominee, I'm going to divide the party and let the Republicans win, see you in 2012."


Harold L. Ickes was a great man (Lowell - 5/31/2008 6:55:15 PM)
See here for more.  

His son?  Let's just say, something happened to the gene pool in that family.  Sad.



Harold Ickes.. (Flipper - 5/31/2008 6:57:59 PM)
is swimmimng in dangerous waters.  And so is Hillary Clinton.  Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan - and now Clinton wants her rights "reserved" to take this to the credentials committee.  What a disapointing end.  


Every superdelegate (Lowell - 5/31/2008 6:59:01 PM)
And I mean EVERY superdelegate, should immediately throw their support to Barack Obama.  The Clinton campaign is an utter disgrace to threaten to take this to the convention.  


I hope it is only 25-66 of them between now and close of primaries Tuesday (snolan - 6/1/2008 9:49:04 AM)
That way the news will report that voters in Montana or South Dakota will have put him over the top....

Then, Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, every super delegate, even those already committed to Clinton, should endorse Obama to send a message for those with their heads in the sand.  Every. Last. One.

Including President Bill Clinton (NY).  It's time.



The room should have been cleared (Lowell - 5/31/2008 7:03:00 PM)
of rude, disruptive people a long time ago.  This is making the Democratic Party look horrible and threatening to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory this fall.  Thanks Hillary, Harold, et al! (****snark****)


Premature (tx2vadem - 5/31/2008 8:57:45 PM)
I think it is a bit too soon to be predicting our defeat in Autumn and laying this at Clinton's doorstep.  

As to the more rowdy members of the audience, I don't think they make the Democratic Party look horrible.  I wish they had kept quiet and respected the proceedings.  I wish that the chairs could have done more to control them.  But oh well!  We, Democrats, have disagreements all the time.  And even on here passions flare.  Does RK then reflect poorly on the Democratic Party?  I don't think so.

I think looking around the room there (from my perspective via C-SPAN), the audience reflected a truly diverse crowd.  The speakers, the members of the committee, and the chairs all gave us something to be proud of and reflect extremely well on our party, IMHO.  Nothing that happened today made me ashamed to be a Democrat, made me ashamed of the people there, or made me think that this reflects horribly on us.  



I did not predict "our defeat" (Lowell - 5/31/2008 9:04:17 PM)
To the contrary, I think we're going to win. But Hillary Clinton, Harold Ickes et al. sure as hell ain't makin' it easy.


This is a sad day for Democrats (relawson - 5/31/2008 7:07:44 PM)
This spectacle for the world to watch is a black eye for the party.  It won't be soon forgotten.

I support the vote on Florida - being from Florida.  The election was not fair, but the decision is as fair as it could be given where we are at today.  The smart thing to do would have been to punish us with 1/2 our delegates from the beginning just as the Republicans did.  We wouldn't be having this discussion today if that occured.

Michigan on the otherhand was a fiasco.  Only HRC was on the ballot!  What were they thinking even holding an election like that?

The root problem isn't how we count votes.  The problem is that from day one this party had poor leadership and poor judgement in how it dealt with my state of Florida and the state of Michigan as punishment for us (I'll say it) cheating.

The Republicans got it right.  The Democrats got it wrong.  I have been raising the alarm on this issue since before anyone knew it would be an issue.  If you are now watching television you now realize that it is an issue of epic proportions.  

This historical vote is going to happen in the next few seconds.  How will history look upon this moment?



I couldn't agree more. (Lowell - 5/31/2008 7:09:27 PM)
n/t


Mame Reiley is a class act (Lowell - 5/31/2008 7:08:56 PM)
I just want to say, Mame Reiley's doing a great job, conducting herself with great class, unlike her fellow Clinton supporter Harold Ick-ees.  Thank you Mame Reiley!


Yes yes (Kip - 5/31/2008 7:10:39 PM)
Most definitely


Also, thank you Kip (Lowell - 5/31/2008 7:13:10 PM)
You've done a great job live blogging from the meeting today and I appreciate it tremendously!


I agree. (spotter - 5/31/2008 7:11:39 PM)


Taking back your earlier commitment (tx2vadem - 5/31/2008 8:32:31 PM)
to purge her and all who helped Clinton in this process from the party?


yep. (spotter - 5/31/2008 9:42:13 PM)
except Harold Ickes, of course, but I think he did that to himself already.


Definitely (Greg - 5/31/2008 7:13:36 PM)
If she or anyone close to her ever reads RK, thank you!


Agreed (Sean Holihan - 5/31/2008 7:13:51 PM)
I wish those in the crowd would conduct themselves with half the professionalism that she has.


We need to bring the Clinton supporters Back! (Kip - 5/31/2008 7:14:56 PM)
These yahoos are turning the middle of the road supporters back home it's about time.


The bottom line (Lowell - 5/31/2008 7:20:14 PM)
According to the AP, 2,118 is the new magic number.  Barack Obama is 69 delegates away from the nomination, with 191 superdelegates remaining and 86 pledged delegates left to be selected.

The committee agreed on a compromise offered by the Michigan Democratic Party that would split the difference, allowing Clinton to take 69 delegates and Obama 59. Each delegate would get half a vote at the convention in Denver this summer, according to the deal.

They also agreed to seat the Florida delegation based on the outcome of the January primary, with 105 pledged delegates for Clinton and 67 for Obama, but with each delegate getting half a vote as a penalty.

The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days.

[...]

Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida.

Obama's total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5.



Presumptive nominee wil be clear by Wednesday (Greg - 5/31/2008 7:30:23 PM)
As I expect that several dozen uncommitted superdelegates will declare their support after the final primaries.

Still, if Hillary Clinton insists on a scorched earth strategy to divide the party... she may just be able to hand the presidency to John McCain.



Chuck Todd nails it as usual (Lowell - 5/31/2008 7:29:22 PM)
You know, there is a big thing we should be getting out of this party tonight, and that is the Democratic National Committee is not somehow controlled by the Clintons. Not by the Clinton campaign any more. We may have started this campaign believing that the Clinton campaign controlled, but this is Barack Obama's party now. He's already been winning the outside game, he now won the inside game. Yes it's true that Harold Ickes can threaten this stuff about the credentials, but Don Fowler really did signal today by being for the Michigan compromise that, "Guys, it's over."

Hat tip to Daily Kos



He missed the point (JohnB - 5/31/2008 9:14:55 PM)
We proved with the election of Howard Dean that the DNC belongs to all involved Democrats.  The party was not Clinton's before today and it is not Barack Obama's now.  


Will the Clinton's continue to make trouble? (Rebecca - 5/31/2008 7:52:02 PM)
The fact is the Clintons have run a terrible campaign and Obama has run a great campaign. But those realities can't penetrate the Clintons' fantasy world where they should have their way all the time, deserve it or not.

It is in the interest of the Party to sanction MI and FL. Otherwise there awould be no party. How could you have a party without rules? Hillary agreed to abide by the rules but suddenly the world must change in her favor because, well, she wants it to.

If Hillary does mount a lawsuit and allows it to be pending during the general election I think it will finish her career and rightly so.

I also want to say that her attitude of privilege has given the women's movement a black eye and has reinforced all the negatives stereotypes that people have about those who take advantage of affirmative action programs without having to prove themselves. The willingness of many of her supporters to buy into her privilege mythology and to act out like spoiled children also detracts on gains women have made over the past few decades. Why can't we have a female candidate who can play fair?

This post was written by a white woman over 50 who works in a male dominated field. I know what I'm talking about.



Ever considered running for office? (snolan - 6/1/2008 9:51:45 AM)
You sure make excellent arguments...


DNC statement (Lowell - 5/31/2008 7:56:28 PM)
DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee Reaches Agreement on Seating Florida and Michigan Delegations  

Washington, DC--Today, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and Rules and Bylaws Committee Co-Chairs Alexis Herman and Jim Roosevelt issued the following joint statement:

"Today, after careful consideration and debate, the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee reached an agreement on the two challenges before the Committee on seating delegations from Florida and Michigan.  The Committee voted to seat the full Florida delegation with a half-vote each.  The RBC accepted the Michigan Leadership Plan as presented today by the Michigan Democratic Party with the exception that each delegate receives a half vote.  In addition, the Committee agreed that delegates from both states should be slated under Rules 5, 6, 7, and 12, outlining the candidate's right of approval.  With this decision, the revised total of delegate votes needed to secure the nomination is 2,118.

"This decision was not made easily or lightly but after listening to oral arguments made by the complainants, State Parties, and both presidential campaigns, we believe this to be the most fair and equitable solution allowed within the rules.  The Committee arrived at its decision with three basic principles in mind: One, that we must be fair to the voters in both states. Two, that we must be fair to both campaigns who abided by the rules in good faith and three, that we must be fair to the 48 states that followed the rules.

"We believe today's decision is a step forward in unifying our Party as we work together to put a Democrat back in the White House so we can bring the Iraq War to a responsible end and get our economy back on track.  We want to thank all of today's presenters, members of the public - both those here today and the many others who have made their voices heard throughout the process, and supporters of both campaigns."  



Herman and Roosevelt (Flipper - 5/31/2008 8:18:42 PM)
Alexis Herman and Jim Roosevelt did an awesome job chairing the rules committee today.  They both were fair and honest - I have no clue who they are supporting and nothing said by either of them today indicated who they were supporting.

A great job by both!



How about Alexis Herman as next DNC chair ? Maybe it's time for a woman. (Tom Counts - 6/2/2008 12:58:53 PM)