Hillary's Signing Statement(s)

By: KathyinBlacksburg
Published On: 5/22/2008 8:19:54 PM

As of yesterday, Hillary Rodham Clinton says she is taking this contest, such as it is, all the way to the convention.  There is no mathematical way she can actually win this.  So, I am beginning to wonder about her supporters who, seem either too gullible to realize the fast one she is pulling on MI and FL, or too saturated with end-justifies-the-means Machiavellianism to care.  She is playing the Rovian/Bush playbook now.  Each day the rules and definitions change.  This is not new, or different, or better.  It's the same old, same old.  And we've lived it for seven years.

Every day that Hillary peddles the let-every-vote-count mantra, she doesn't tell Americans the truth, that she wants to deny four states their caucus results, steal the entire delegation of Florida and Michigan (when she singed an agreement not to campaign or run there), and get the super delegates to overturn the result in Obama's play-by-the-rules effort.  Yessiree.  Hillary could only "win," by getting all the MI and Florida vote, which she is prepared to demand.  And so, she wants all the delegates of those two states for herself, none for Obama.  He and we should have known that Hillary, like Bush, doesn't mean what she says.  It was the finger-crossed, wink-wink signature, she placed on her agreemnt with the other candidates and the DNC, the "count the vote" of only primary states -unless she had won the caucuses.  Hillary's calculation would also require that four caucus states' results be dumped.  What was that about letting everyone's voice and vote be heard?

Funny thing is that, as many have pointed our here and elsewhere in the blogosphere, the system we have (including caucuses) was designed to assure that insiders like Hillary Clinton win.  But Obama did the "unforgivable."  His audacious and brilliant campaign beat the insider-Clintons at their own game.  He took the hand he was dealt, and overcame all obstacles to succeed in playing that hand.  Hillary tried to rig the game, but she was defeated, ultimately, by it.  And now we are supposed to feel sorry for her and revise the rules, post-hoc.

How low Hillary is prepared to go, is finally clear.  She doesn't care about what she signed, or what the process is, or what the real result is.  She wants the rules to change by the week, or the day.  She gives new meaning to parsing the word "is."

And here's the thing:  We are the ones getting screwed by her manipulative MI and FL ploys.  We are being robbed of a fair race in those two states.  Our guy kept his word and he and we, it is argued, should just lump it.  Her proposals are highway robbery.  And we shouldn't take this insulting, degrading and despicable treatment of OUR candidate.    

We've been hanging back, trying to give Hillary space to accept reality, and that has failed.  We've refused to get down in the muck.  We've blogged precious little about her daily snipes and nasty accusations about this process.  We've let her get away with the malicious lie that she has "won" the "popular vote."  But her outrageous efforts to subvert the process, and steal this nomination persist.  I am and will be proud that our candidate behaved above board on this.  However, it is time we declare to the Supers, "Hell No, We won't Go (to Hillaryland).  She's behaving just like George W. Bush.  


Comments



She is encouraging divisiveness in the Party (Rebecca - 5/22/2008 9:12:29 PM)
By claiming how unfair the primary is and playing the victim she is encouraging her supporters to believe this is being stolen from her and that Obama is somehow doing something wrong. It seems she would be happy to have a Supreme Court to thow everything out and declare her the winner.


Maybe the Clintons are trying to position themselves . . . (JPTERP - 5/23/2008 8:58:23 AM)
for an independent run.  

Yes, they've denied this possibility, but back in Nov. 2007 they were saying that the Florida and Michigan results wouldn't be counted either.  They've sued on two occasions in this election cycle to block votes from happening (in Iowa targeting college voters and in Nevada targeting the casino sites -- which ironically helped the Clinton team win the popular vote; in Texas they targeted major minority areas in cities in Houston and Dallas for endless legal challenges of Obama caucus convention participants -- the list is pretty long) -- so much for making sure that every vote is counted.

Obviously words mean nothing to the Clintons -- and their pledges are useless.

At this stage, I say screw 'em.  A couple weeks ago I was thinking that the VP slot might be a way of working around the impasse.  At this stage I think one of the Clinton supporters might still be offered the position simply to cut the legs out from the Clintons -- who seem to be absolutely set on the presidential slot, the VP slot, or nothing else.  

However, nothing more is owed to either of them.  I would be pretty ticked off at this stage if there was a joint ticket.

Not much else to say about either of them.  Their sense of entitlement is pretty breath-taking.



I think all that is going on here (aznew - 5/23/2008 9:21:10 AM)
Is Clinton trying to get as much as she can politically before leaving the race. She realizes she cannot win.

Intra-party politics is not an all or nothing contest. Obama will win the nomination. but when you spend huge money on a campaign and win 49% of the vote and 49% of the delegates, you have earned something. What, exactly, will be a matter of negotiation.

As the victor, the ball is in Obama's court now. If he just gives Hillary the high hat, she will not be very supportive this fall, and neither will many of her supporters. Not me -- Obama is the nominee in my view, and that's that. But I would understand it if people who were emotionally invested in her canddacy more than I get ticked.

PS - At one time, I thought a Supreme Court seat would be a good fit for Hillary, but someone someplace set me straight that at 60 she is too old.

PPS - I saw a report on CNN this morning that the Clinton Camp was trying to figure out an exit strategy that lets Clinton gracefully exit the race. One proposal was to make her the VP, but Obama is resistant to that.

Another is to publicly offer her the slot, with the understanding she would turn it down, but apparently there is distrust between the camps, and the Obama camp fears that Clinton might actually accept.

The third proposal was for the candidates to get in a room ad try to work things out, then send some white smoke up the chimney.

PPPS - I would just want to point out that as this campaign ran its course, Obama is not the only aggrieved party. Both Clintons took plenty of blows from the Obama camp. Despite what some critics write about them, at the end of the day they are people too and have emotions, as well as vested interests, wrapped up in all this.



Here is a brief Bloomberg story on the talks, FWIW (aznew - 5/23/2008 9:23:01 AM)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...


Al Giordano . . . (JPTERP - 5/23/2008 9:48:58 AM)
at the Field has a follow-up on this one as well.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield...



Interesting (aznew - 5/23/2008 10:00:22 AM)
And just to be clear, I don't think Clinton is in any way entitled to the VP slot. I think Obama ought to fill the slot using whatever criteria he thinks appropriate.

To be even more clear, I don't think she is the best pick for him -- I think Jim Webb is -- but I'm not sure it would be a disaster either. Certainly, there is precedent for it -- Kennedy/Johnson, Reagan/Bush come to mind.

If Obama were to pick, say Sebellius, I could understand if Hillary Clinton were really, really pissed. If there is going to be a history-making woman on this ticket, then I would argue that Hillary has earned that right is she wants it.  



not really a surprise (Adam Parkhomenko - 5/23/2008 2:11:36 PM)
that you would want webb. fact is there are only a few names being floated so i would expect some to want webb or kaine, but in states that dont have someone being floated, they will stick w hrc


With all due respect, Adam (aznew - 5/23/2008 2:24:17 PM)
I do read more blogs, magazines, etc. than RK, so my thinking about Webb is not simply because I have a limited awareness of the choices or the names being floated, although I am sure that plenty of folks here, including yourself, are much better informed about this sort of stuff.

I would point out, for example, that in a recent survey at Open Left, Webb came in third (behind Sebeillus and Richardson), and several national media commentators have mentioned Webb's bona fides, so I don't think he is just a Virginia thing.

It is possible for someone to think highly of Sen. Clinton and also render the considered judgment, with you may or may not agree, that she ought not to be on the ticket in good faith.



Also, Webb came in second at (Lowell - 5/23/2008 2:25:32 PM)
Daily Kos behind Bill Richardson.


Precedent (tx2vadem - 5/23/2008 2:18:51 PM)
If the precedent is two Senators on the ticket, then I certainly get Kennedy/Johnson.  But Reagan was the governor of California.  What's that precedent?  


I was referring to the victor in a primary battle (aznew - 5/23/2008 2:25:28 PM)
choosing a vanquished foe with whom he had been at odds.


Makes sense now =) (tx2vadem - 5/23/2008 2:26:35 PM)
n/t


There's been a woman on the Democratic (Lowell - 5/23/2008 2:24:06 PM)
ticket before -- Geraldine Ferraro in 1984.  What would be "history making" is a woman at the top of the ticket, not as running mate.


That is true (aznew - 5/23/2008 2:28:13 PM)
The "history-making" that I was referencing would be attaining the office, not running for it.


Right. (Lowell - 5/23/2008 2:29:25 PM)
Attaining it would certainly represent a historic moment in our nation's history.


60 is Not Too Old for the Supreme Court... (Matt H - 5/23/2008 1:00:14 PM)
But would you want someone who supports a Flag Amendment on the bench?


I would (spotter - 5/23/2008 1:51:19 PM)
just to read the eventual book about the mud wrestling between her and Scalia.  Also, the confirmation hearing ought to be interesting.


I Bet She'd be the First Justice Who Has Failed a Bar Exam (Matt H - 5/23/2008 2:44:23 PM)


Speaking as "someone someplace" (Randy Klear - 5/23/2008 1:57:39 PM)
I'll repeat what I said to Aznew before. For 20 years and more the Republicans have made a point of stocking the federal courts with younger appointees, who can use their life tenure to build years of heavily conservative precedents and lead the country boldly forward into the 18th century. This includes the Supreme Court, where they have focused on nominees in their mid-40s to mid-50s. Clarence Thomas, now in his 17th year on the Court, is actually eight months younger than Hillary. Chief Justice Roberts is a month younger than Mark Warner. And these people will be writing decisions until they die or quit. Roberts could well be Chief Justice until 2040 or later, if he hangs on as long as William Rehnquist did.

On the Democratic side, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is only sixth in seniority among the associate justices, but second in age behind John Paul Stevens (who was only 55 when Gerald Ford appointed him). Stephen Breyer, the only other Democrat on the Court, will turn 70 in August.

It's not a question of whether Hillary would be good in the job; I have no doubt that she would. The point is that, if we want a Supreme Court that creates a consistent, liberal body of law over a long period, our best choice is to beat the GOP at its own game by appointing younger justices (and lower court judges) who can build just majorities over decades.



Yup, that's where I heard it (aznew - 5/23/2008 2:00:54 PM)
Randy is 100% correct, IMHO.


Just for clarification (tx2vadem - 5/23/2008 2:46:54 PM)
On the Flag Burning Amendment, I have searched through Thomas.  And I cannot find where Senator Clinton voted in favor of the Flag Desecration Amendment.  She did sponsor the Flag Protection Act of 2005, but that wasn't an amendment and it never came to a vote.

That was pandering for sure, but what politician isn't guilty of that?  It is not, in my mind, representative of her legal philosophy.



What Type of Pandering Do You Not Like? (Matt H - 5/23/2008 2:57:04 PM)


Pandering (tx2vadem - 5/23/2008 4:55:49 PM)
is an eye roll for me.  That is about as much as it does for me.  It happens, and it is unfortunate that politicians feel the need to do it.  But then the public also laps this up, so it just encourages the behavior.  

See these Congressional Hearing that the Democratic Congress is conducting with Oil Executives, that's pandering, big time.  But the public just loves this.



See (Lowell - 5/23/2008 3:14:47 PM)
here for the vote.


Actually See Here for an Earlier Bill (Matt H - 5/23/2008 4:21:36 PM)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...


This looks like the Flag Protection Act (Randy Klear - 5/23/2008 4:49:45 PM)
that tx2vadem mentions above.


Yes (tx2vadem - 5/23/2008 4:51:39 PM)
That would be the Flag Protection Act of 2005 I mentioned above.  That is a bill and not a proposed Constitutional Amendment.


I'm confused (Lowell - 5/23/2008 4:52:54 PM)
Clinton was for the flag-burning amendment before she was against it?


When was she for it? (tx2vadem - 5/23/2008 5:00:13 PM)
She supported a bill, an act of Congress, not a Constitutional Amendment.  The vote you reference demonstrates she voted against the amendment.  A bill, I might add, that would clearly go no where and even had it, would have been struck down by the courts instantaneously.  This was just red meat to excite a certain constituency.


Look at that vote (tx2vadem - 5/23/2008 4:49:20 PM)
Clinton (D-NY), Nay  


Thank you for posting this KathyinBlacksburg (bladerunner - 5/23/2008 3:42:00 PM)
I agree with everything that you have written here. Hillary is running like she almost knows something is going to happen to Obama. Sorry but I can be a conspiratorial type. If she gets the nomination in an unfair way there's going to be hell to pay. She and Bill are so self absorbed it's pathetic. I know Bill did some good things during his time, but it's time for the Clintons to stop this ego madness. Keep up the good work KathyinBlacksburg.


Clinton: RFK what if .... (j_wyatt - 5/23/2008 4:57:53 PM)
" ... We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don't understand it," she said, dismissing the idea of dropping out.

Clinton said she didn't understand why, given this history, some Democrats were calling for her to quit.

Her remark about an assassination during a primary campaign drew a quick response from rival Barack Obama's campaign.

"Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

If that is what she's thinking, well, then, she should definitely sign up for the VP slot.

Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said the senator was only referring to ... Kennedy "as [an] historical example[...] of the nominating process going well into the summer and any reading into it beyond that would be inaccurate and outrageous."

Really, Mo, outrageous?  And that's why she used the phrase "assassinated in June"?

But, hey, if it's only an historical example, there's also the historical example of JFK getting assassinated three years into his first term.  And Obama's been compared to JFK.   So, yeah, VP.