My argument for Jim Webb as Veep

By: teacherken
Published On: 5/14/2008 10:01:02 PM

Crossposted from Daily Kos

I have no idea whom Obama will consider.  Nor do I know for certain that Webb would consider an offer if made, although I believe that he might well.

And before I start, I will disclose that (a) I was on the edge of the group that persuaded him to run for the Senate (although I played little part in the actual persuasion; (b) before the primary I had a conversation with a key advisor that if Jim were to win the Senate seat he would be on people's VP list; (c) Some of what I am going to write here I have actually discussed with the Senator, and he did not cut me off; (d) I am not personally close with the Senator - there are things with which I disagree, but overall I consider him to have as much integrity and intelligence as any elected official I have ever known, and that combination by itself would be sufficient for me to strongly advocate his being considered for VP.  

So if you care what I think, please keep reading below the fold.  If you don't, if you have mentally rejected Jim Webb because (a) he was once a Republican, or (b) he voted the wrong way on some particular issue (FISA, Immigration, etc), or you think because of a headline on an article written decades ago he is a sexist, then I URGE you to keep reading because you really do not understand the man.
Let's deal with politics first.  Jim Webb was the classic Reagan Democrat.  He grew up in a family of Democrats, and was drawn to Reagan because he perceived the Democratic party of the late 1970's as anti-military, and - and this is my analysis - he was still carrying a lot of anger from the period of Vietnam.  In fact, one could fairly argue that he made a lot of angry statements that required him over time to apologize.  He is a big enough man that he has done so sufficiently that someone like John Kerry, whom he originally savaged, enthusiastically endorsed him for his primary, appearing at a high profile event the day before the primary, and also appearing at the victory celebration.

But on economic issues he has always been a Democrat, and describes himself often as an Andrew Jackson Democrat.   There is a reason he was selected to give the SOTU response in 2007, which among other things indicates that many leaders in the party have no doubt of how committed a Democrat he is.  And those of us in the Old Dominion know how hard he worked on behalf of Democratic candidates for the General Assembly last year - ask people like Chap Petersen, for example, or Don McEachin, two of the new State Senators this cycle.

Let's also dispose of the bit on him being a sexist.  I am not going to spend time on the article for which he has been so criticized.  As SecNav Jim Webb opened up to women just about every billet not specifically closed by Congressional action.   I have met high ranking women who served during that period who are grateful for all that he did.  And it is interesting that some of the strongest feminists in the Virginia Democratic Party, people like former Congresswoman Leslie Byrne, are strong Jim Webb supporters and have no doubts about his commitment.  Oh, and by the way, he has been very supportive of his daughters.

Let me give an illustration about Jim Webb. One of his first events was to address the Arlington-Alexandria chapter of DFA at a restaurant in the Courthouse area of Arlington.  At that session, one man asked what Jim thought of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.  Jim said that he supported it, because it takes time to change the military culture.   The man who had asked it, who is gay, was visibly angry.  At the end of the meeting I went outside to talk with Webb, introduced myself as a former Marine (that bond is important among us who were leathernecks), and we began to converse.  I mentioned how one of his compatriots in the Reagan Defense department, Larry Korb, had identified to me the person Randy Shilts referred to in And the Band Played On as the JCS member who was gay as former commandant Al Gray, that they had had to marry him off to give him cover to get him confirmed.  Jim looked at me and told me he knew, because there had been blood on the floor to get him confirmed, but he had seen it through because Al Gray was the best man for the job.  Gray is considered one of the greatest Commandants the Corps has ever seen.   I went back in to tell the gentleman, who was still angry.  That gentleman over time became one of Jim's strongest supporters.  Partisans, the important Virginia ga-lesbian-bi political group endorse Jim, and he welcomed their support.  He opposed the marriage amendment in Virginia, noting that as far as he was concerned the government should stop at his door and not step in without a compelling reason, on three key issues:  how he prayed, who he loved, and his guns.

Think about that combination for a moment, and realize how powerful a statement that is.

A ticket of Jim Webb behind Barack Obama would be two people who are articulate and thoughtful, both best-selling authors.

Webb would of course bring support on national security and international relations matters, but were that all he brought he might not be as valuable.   Yes, his was an early and articulate and important voice against this episode in Iraq, which early on he was calling the greatest strategic blunder in our history.  But Iraq is NOT why he got into the race, at least, not the major reason.

Jim Webb's passion is economic equity, to ensure that the benefits when our economy does well should not be limited to those at the top.  He has walked picket lines.  he has sought to find ways of helping economically - in a sense his new GI Bill is a reaffirmation of something that was hugely important in expanding the middle class after WWII.    And that is the one reason I think he MIGHT consider VP -  if he was given a major brief in addressing those issues.

Those are the issue of the White Working Class -  they are also the issue of many African-Americans.  And that reminds me of what Jim wrote in "Born Fighting" - that if the African-American and Scots-Irish communities could find common ground on economic issues, they could build a political coalition that could dominate this country.

My wife, who is a cultural historian by training, points out that the kind of divisiveness we just saw in WV and previously to some degree in OH and PA is something quite deliberate - that if you look at the history of Virginia and other states the well-off whites deliberately pitted the working class whites - largely Scot-Irish - against the Blacks as a means of maintaining power by dividing the opposition.   And if that sound like something you have seen in previous Republican campaigns and by one Democratic candidate in this cycle, perhaps you can understand what that represents, and how selection of Webb would represent something  very different.

Webb is not a natural campaigner.  But since his first parade in Falls Church, Memorial Day 2005, he gotten much better.  And he comes across as genuine.

And selecting Webb would also send another message - no one things that Webb can be muzzled, and that is a positive, because it will show that Obama is secure enough in himself that he has no trouble with someone who comes across as a real alpha male as his running mate.  

I believe that Webb would put a LOT of state in play.  To start with, putting Webb on the ticket with Obama, with Mark Warner the Dem candidate for the US Senate, would put Virginia in play presidentially, and might mean +3 in House seats in the Old Dominion.

Much of the background of Appalachia is Scots-Irish - Jim's background.  He can speak to and with them, with credibility.  That might lock down Penna and OH, put WV in play, and even help in parts of KY, the Carolinas, Georgia, and even Alabama, and OK and Ar (two states where there are a lot of people of Appalachian background - and Jim has family connections in Arkansas).

And here is something very interesting - in a time where the increasingly important areas of the world are Africa and Asia, you would have a ticket that covers both.  Obama has his African roots, his time in Indonesia (and I believe he still speaks some of the language) with a half-sister of that background who is married to a Chinese Canadian.  And Jim?  His wife was one of the boat people, Jim has done business in Vietnam, and when the two of them need to speak privately with others around the simply switch into Vietnamese.

There ar others who would be very interesting candidates, and whomever Obama would choose (except HRC) I would support enthusiastically - the decisions he and his campaign staff have made have in general been superb this cycle.

But I believe that, in the right framework, Jim Webb represents the strongest candidate with whom Obama can run.  No, he is not perfect.  No politician is.  But look back at the statement Jim made about the Scot-Irish (his people, whom he acknowledges are sometimes called trailer park trash) and the African-Americans.  Think what a ticket with two of the groups who hve been most taken advantage of historically could represent.

This is my reflection.  It is what I think and believe.  It is my argument for Jim Webb as Obama's running mate.

Peace.


Comments



Well done. (j_wyatt - 5/14/2008 10:52:28 PM)
Given the historic context of his candidacy, and the presumably positive message to the electorate his choice will communicate in being judged against the incumbent vice-president, Obama's selection of a running mate is going to be a supercharged decision.

What's the precedent as to timing?

If Obama is declared the nominee after next Tuesday or, at the latest, after the very last primaries on June 3, when does he announce his running mate?



Very Persuasive (driver49 - 5/14/2008 11:18:34 PM)
I've posted your commentary to http://jimwebb4vp.com

Thanks,

--PS



Thanks, Teacherken (jlmccreery - 5/15/2008 5:21:24 AM)
An eloquent and powerful case that gives me a lot to think about. Still very nervous, though, about giving up a hard-won Senate seat. What are your views about this?


Kaine would get to make appointment (teacherken - 5/15/2008 8:11:52 AM)
and there would be a special election in Nov 2009 -  at same time as 3 statewide offices and House of Delegates, for remaining 3 years of term

a couple of possible approaches

1) Appoint Chuck Robb as a temporary place-holder, with understanding he only serves for one year

2) appoint either Brian Moran or Creigh Deeds to avoid the fight for governor, and give that person one year to build cred for reelection

3) consider any of the following:  Don Beyer, Don McEachin, Chap Petersen (but might have trouble holding his state senate seat in a special election), Steve Jarding (yeah, a stretch, and only if he reestablished Virginia residency - but he'd be a terrific candidate), John Grisham (has been C'ville area for years, served in MS state senate)

4) add additional names

My sense is Republican bench is actually not all that deep.  The real worry would be that for a special Tom Davis might be the most difficult candidate, since he can raise a lot of money and has still some appeal in NoVa



Davis' money will dry up (Jack Landers - 5/15/2008 11:40:58 AM)
Davis was able to raise big money. But once he leaves his House seat, that dries up. What's he selling? He was able to attract big donations because he was a fairly senior member of the GOP House leadership with good committee assignments and his favor was worth currying.

He'll have a lot more trouble getting campaign money for any sort of run for office after leaving the House. Not that he'd be broke or anything, but his fund-raising would basically get knocked down to about what you'd expect from any generic Republican candidate.



Deep bench (Jack Landers - 5/15/2008 11:46:43 AM)
Our cup runneth over with talent in Virginia right now. Tim Kaine, Creigh Deeds, Chap Peterson, Rick Boucher, Brian Moran. Any of these people could pursue an open Senate seat and have a shot at winning it. Especially after having been appointed to fill the remainder of the term by Tim Kaine.

The replacement gets appointed by Tim Kaine. Period. This whole idea that Webb as VP would mean 'giving up' a Senate seat is utter nonsense and I wish people would stop repeating it. I really don't see Tim tapping a Republican for the job so it's safe to say that we would not be giving up the seat.



Well-said. (Jack Landers - 5/15/2008 11:16:20 AM)
Jim Webb is the right person at the right moment. You laid it out very neatly.

I will add that with Jim Webb on the ticket, I will then be comfortable with promoting Obama/Webb among my fellow 2nd Amendment activists. Right now I'm obviously pro-Obama, but it would be intellectually dishonest to promote Obama as a 2nd Amendment candidate. Webb as a running mate changes that and would dramatically increase the comfort level of gun-owners with the Democratic ticket. There is a real opportunity here, because John McCain is absolutely not trusted by 2nd Amendment supporters, while Jim Webb has an A+ rating from the NRA.

I'd love to watch Wayne LaPierre (Executive director of the NRA) spin himself in circles trying to explain why, say, McCain/Romney is a better ticket for gunowners than Obama/Webb. He'd sound ridiculous to the rank and file NRA members.    



Wow - you may have just sold me... (snolan - 5/15/2008 3:38:50 PM)
I have been greedy, and wanting to keep Webb as our Senator for as long as possible.  We had to fight hard to get him there, and I don't want to lose a single Senate seat...  

You make such a compelling argument though, that I am reconsidering.

There are other good choices in my opinion, but Webb may be the best of them.  Thank you for posting such a clear, concise and well thought out argument.



Do you see a problem with... (Jerry Saleeby - 5/15/2008 7:47:38 PM)
...two freshmen senators on the ticket?  I realize that Sen. Webb has other experience beyond his tenure in the Senate but I wonder if people will be skeptical of such a ticket.

I think Webb would bring much in the way of balancing the ticket but, in the end, Obama will/should pick someone he is personally comfortable with.  Perhaps that will be Webb.



if if if ... (j_wyatt - 5/15/2008 8:08:45 PM)

I wonder if people will be skeptical

Skeptical, cynical, yeah ... that should be one's default reaction to any politician.

Likely only a knuckledragger from the 28% of the electorate who still think Bush is doing a fine job will NOT be skeptical of whatever ticket the Republicans cobble together.

As to problem free perfection on the Democratic side, y'know, yeah, it would be better if Senator Obama's name were Bob Smith or something, and if had gotten his ears pinned, and, while we're at it, it would have been great if Senator Obama had been in the Marine Corps and served in Gulf War One, and, hey, while we're if'ing, would people be less skeptical if he'd been white and if he'd attended some lily white Episcopalian church.  So, yeah, it would have been great, in terms of mollifying the skeptics, if Senator Webb had served more than half a senatorial term.

But the salient point is who has had more experience than Dick Cheney?  And look where that's gotten us.

It's time for fresh eyes and a fresh perspective.  If it weren't, we'd all be rooting for Hillary Clinton.



TeacherKen (ub40fan - 5/15/2008 11:37:03 PM)
Your comments about General Gray and the "gay" controversy are quite inappropriate and show a general lack of knowledge about the man, his career and certainly his personal life.

That people here at RK should think of you as some kind of authority on things "Marine" ... especially when your assertions are based on innuendo and rumor, which happen to malign a fellow Marine ... well quite frankly as a former Marine officer, I find that rather cheap, pathetic and offensive.

Perhaps you missed it in his personal bio .... perhaps your inflated ego permits you pontificate to the extent ... that you extend a malicious rumor ... But the last I time I checked (during the Webb campaign when you offered up similar questionable "insights") ... General Al Gray was married and has been for ... well about the last 15 years.

How many years have you've been married Ken?  Tell me ... are you GAY?

And does it really matter that much?  How is it that you find it appropriate to comment on such things in this very public forum?

So I would ask you to THINK a little more before you offer up these stories of which you know "jack shit" about. Get that Marine?



HOLY CRAP! (oldsoldier - 5/16/2008 6:31:46 PM)
I didn't even read all of the preceding, so forgive me if I didn't THINK, but I cannot believe that ub40fan thinks Teacherken is gay and married to closet the fact.  If he or she ever was a marine, did he or she ever get shot at by someone who wanted to kill? Post your bona fides ub40fan if you are going to do an ad hominem on teacherken.

What the shit does GAY have to do with being a Marine? Are you a MARINE, and if so, are you bi or Gay?  I don't know too many marines, but I do know a bunch, who really give a "rat's ass" about GAYS.  Maybe more importantly, many Marines never knew the guy they shared a foxhole with was GAY.  I was a counterintelligence officer with security clearance investigative power over all soldiers, sailors, and marines (USAF is special), me straight as a string bean I say to you homophobes with serious questions about your "pee-pee's" and "what they're for,"

GET LOST and FART OFF!



You wonder why I've flamed Mr. TeacherKen... (ub40fan - 5/17/2008 11:29:08 AM)
It's very simple ... he continues to dredge up an unsubstantiated rumor about a "fellow Marine" with no accounting. I suppose that's fine in the blogosphere since one's identity isn't really "known" ... you can post anything you want and just walk away from it. It's the beauty of the thing... isn't it?

But TeacherKen is kind of special. He's featured here and at Daily Kos because for the most part he writes these heartfelt and often insightful pieces that the audience appreciates. He's kind of positioned himself as a "authority" on some things related to Jim Webb's history particularly as they relate to the USMC institution / culture.

However during the Webb for Senate campaign and on occasion here after, he's perpetuated this Reagan administration / Rovianesque rumor as well other "insights" about Marines associated with Jim Webb ... that quite frankly are inaccurate ... yet they're taken as fact .... or probably true. I can say with some certainty that they are inaccurate or inappropriate because I've either met, worked with or been associated with these people personally.

My blast at Ken would not have been posted here if I had access to his personal email account ... I would have taken my criticism to him DIRECTLY. Asking Ken about his sexual orientation was just a rhetorical exercise in having him "walk in the other man's shoes" .... regarding reputation (key to any person who would call themselves a Marine like Ken).

I think there is plenty of reason to show some discretion when you post a featured diary here at RK. It's the content here at RK which has made it an influential and respected source. If you really want to to Slash and SNARK about  you ought to play at NLS.

I have little expectation that my blast will make any difference with TeacherKen but at least you noticed.