SurveyUSA: McCain Leads Obama by 8, Clinton by 16 Points in Virginia

By: Lowell
Published On: 4/18/2008 6:25:59 AM

It's only April, and in general polls leave much to be desired, so take these results with a grain of salt. Still, the SurveyUSA numbers are not what I'd like to see, and in part I blame it on the nasty, extended Democratic nomination contest.

*McCain 55%-Clinton 39% (McCain +16 points)
*McCain 52%-Obama 44% (McCain +8 points)

As I said, these numbers are not great, but I would note that Barack Obama does far better in Virginia than Hillary Clinton does, at least according to this poll.  Also, once Obama wraps up the nomination, the party can start to pull together for the general election.  Unfortunately, unless Obama beats Clinton in Pennsylvania -- or possibly Indiana -- I don't see that happening until sometime in June, possibly not even until the convention in late August.  As DNC Chairman Howard Dean said yesterday, in asking superdelegates to "say who they're for starting now":

We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time...We've got to know who our nominee is.

No argument here.


Comments



VA may be turning blue... (Pain - 4/18/2008 7:09:26 AM)
...but in the Presidential election I think we'll be really hard pressed to get anything beyond magenta.

Once Obama is the nom, he'll likely get a bump in the polls, but come November I still think he'll pull up short in VA.  I hope I'm wrong.



eight points is nothing though (bcat - 4/18/2008 8:04:45 AM)
Wait a minute--we haven't even started the general, and he's only eight points down? That's not bad at all, for a (former) red state. I'd say that's a cause for optimism. According to those same SUSA polls, he's down eight points in Ohio, too. I'm not saying that's a desirable margin, but it's most certainly a collapsible margin, especially when you consider that he hasn't even started campaigning against McCain. It's no cause for gloominess or dire predictions about Virginia's electoral chances, unless you're ready to concede Ohio, also.

More troubling to me: he's only two points ahead of McCain in Massachusetts. (Although he does extremely well in the Midwest--Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa.) I continue to be baffled by these supposed Democratic strongholds that show weak support for the presumptive nominee.



This survey shows .... (ub40fan - 4/18/2008 7:23:32 AM)
that the Media Driven "Hillary Comeback" is very bad for the Democratic Party particularly in Red / Blue - Purple? states.  There are some 5 states or so left to vote on this race .... let it roll out and put the Super-Delegates on the spot... then by July 4th these polls will have some meaning


The long slog (hereinva - 4/18/2008 8:02:35 AM)
At this rate it seems more like Warner for President 2012 !

Well, first we need to work hard to get Mark elected as the next Senator from Virginia regardless.  

Maybe a miracle will occur and voters will actually reject the
National Enquirer inspired "issues": lapel pins, and 6 degrees of separation scenarios, (you "are" by who "knows" you even if they really don't know you). Colbert hit the nail on the head on that "issue" last night.

 



Colbert had it right last night (pvogel - 4/18/2008 8:19:54 AM)
Edward kennedy endorsed Obama
Hes a catholic
Catholic head of state is benedict, aka J ratzinberg
Rat was a hitler youth
Therefore, Obama was a hitler youth


I burst out laughing with that (Catzmaw - 4/18/2008 12:00:48 PM)
It came complete with a little circle of arrows, even including a picture of the Pope in his Hitler Youth cap.  

Thank you, Colbert, for pointing out the sheer stupidity of the "connections" between Obama and just about everyone who was ever in any kind of trouble of any kind in the last few decades who might somehow know or be known by Obama.  



Warner will have coattails for the President (acluka - 4/18/2008 8:41:46 AM)
I think that Mark Warner will help drive up Democratic participation in this state, and help the Democratic Candidate for President. It is rare that a Senator will have coattails for the higher office, but seeing how popular Warner is... it is almost like he is on the top ticket.  


The Smartest Comment is It's Too Soon (AnonymousIsAWoman - 4/18/2008 9:28:21 AM)
The polls are going to go up and down more times than a roller coaster ride until September.  And right now, the Democrats are still squabbling, giving McCain a free ride.  And the press will always give him a free ride.  If Obama wins the nomination (and I believe he will), don't be shocked that they turn on him and close ranks around McCain.  It's the "Kewl Kids" syndrome.  

In Virginia, you have a lot of military bases; a lot of military personnel; and outside of NoVa, Richmond suburbs and part of the Virginia Beach-Norfolk area, a lot of social conservatives.  So, even if the rest of the country sweeps in the Democrats, it will be an uphill battle here.  That's not to say it's impossible, but it's going to be hard.

I still think the primaries have to play out until the last one in June.  If either side senses unfairness, it will be extremely difficult to re-unite the party.  Likewise, although the candidates will have to remain competitive, it would be good for their surrogates and supporters to tone down the rhetoric that insults the other side's supporters.  And that goes for both sides.  

This is the year for Democrats to win.  With the Iraq war going badly, the economy in terrible shape, and public confidence in the Republicans at an all time low ebb, it's ours to lose.  

I personally am going to spend more time debunking the McCain as moderate maverick image than going after either Democrat.  Somebody has got to start focusing on him and  stop the free ride the press is giving him. Since our primary has passed, the other states can focus on their horse races. I'd rather concentrate on McCain.



COMMENT HIDDEN (citizenindy - 4/18/2008 9:38:31 AM)


What a load of %$*&* (citizenindy - 4/18/2008 11:49:32 AM)
I get troll rated for telling the truth

AIAW is correct by the way but because of the troll rating I get to be harsh now

I was just following the lead of all of you.  Instead of saying why you should support candidate X you attack candidate Y.  

P.S. that really doesn't work most people that read this are strong Ds anyway and the few actual undecideds on here I hope are actually smart enough to be more concerned about what a candidate stands for instead of being motivated to vote out of fear or as a lesser of two evils exercise or who donated to who or what clever little nickname of the week you came up with.  



Actually, you hadn't been troll rated (aznew - 4/18/2008 11:58:32 AM)
until now. I just did.

I usually refrain from any kind of negative kind of rating, and this might be my first troll rating ever.

The problem with your comment is not your opinion that "Obama is a liberal who has no intention of bringing people together." I don't agree with argument. I agree that Obama is a liberal, but I don't agree with the part in which you profess some knowledge of Obama's real intentions as being different than what he say. Allowing for the possibility, however, that you possess some super-human power of perception that permits you to discern true motives of people you don't know that an average guy like me lacks, I admit you could be right.

My problem is with the vaguely threatening tone of the post, the "If you do that, I'll do this" part.

If you really believe this, then you ought to expose Obama for its own sake, not because AIAW intends to express herself regarding McCain.  



Look its very simple (citizenindy - 4/18/2008 1:59:21 PM)
Obama is a liberal he has liberal positions on issues

It really ticks me off when he goes about his no red state blue state kumbaya stuff.  He is willing to kumbaya if you agree with him.  

He wants every state to be a Blue state  

To be clear I don't fault that part hes a democrat.  He believes the democratic party principals are the best.  Thats fine if he would stop there.

I fault the pandering that he somehow wants to work with you when in fact on every issue its a democratic party talking point  



So, what you're saying is that... (Pain - 4/18/2008 4:42:50 PM)
...he's actually a divider, not a uniter?

;)



But I think you miss the point (aznew - 4/18/2008 4:46:56 PM)
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't care that you call Obama is a liberal. He is. That is one of the things I like about him.

As for your statement

He is willing to kumbaya if you agree with him.  

I first want to congratulate you on your use of "kumbaya" as a verb. That's the first time I've seen that, and I'm impressed.

But your argument mischaracterizes what Obama has said. He has made it clear that, first, he will try to persuade you to see things his way, and second, if you don't agree with him, he will respect your beliefs and pursue the policies he believes in with sensitivity and empathy.

What exactly is wrong with that? Obama is pretty clear about it. If there is a misperception about him, it is yours. but by all means, if you think because you can't see that Obama is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes, then make your case on its merits.

The difference with McCain is that McCain pretends to be someone he is not, or more accurately, that he claims to be contradictory things, namely, a maverick and a mainstream conservative. You can't be both. But the media lets him get away with this because, apparently, he is a nice, funny, self-deprecating  guy who lets reporters hang out with him and he serves up a pretty good BBQ.

And I ask, what is wrong, or even negative, about exposing that? All AIAW is saying is she want to show John McCain for who he really is.

I really can't fathom why you have an objection to that.



I love how some people (Lowell - 4/18/2008 4:57:29 PM)
criticize politicians if they're too partisan or confrontational,  while other people criticize them for not being partisan or confrontational enough.  Seems to me that Barack Obama is trying really hard to get it "just right."  We'll see if he pulls it off once he's president, but to criticize him for even trying is unfair and, frankly, absurd.

P.S. Even Dubya promised he'd try to "change the tone in Washington."  Unfortunately, the majority of Americans didn't realize he intentionally didn't add the phrase, "for the worse."



Actually, what's really interesting (Lowell - 4/18/2008 11:59:06 AM)
is that the only person who actually gave you a "troll" rating was Aznew, the person who I respect the most for intelligently and tenaciously defending Hillary Clinton against the 90% of us here who support Obama.  


I added a troll rating (snolan - 4/18/2008 4:18:35 PM)
Not because I think you are a troll with this comment (I do, but usually would not bother rating) - but really just to see what it looks like to have more people rate one comment as trollish.

No harm intended, just experimenting.



Man you can't rate your own comments as trollish!? (snolan - 4/18/2008 4:19:34 PM)
And apparently, once you get rated by several people you get "hidden"?


Right, that's the way it works (Lowell - 4/18/2008 4:27:25 PM)
on pretty much every community blog -- Daily Kos, MyDD, etc. -- out there.


Sorry - I am a clueless noob ;-) (snolan - 4/18/2008 4:44:56 PM)
Actually, I've been on and off for years, but I just don't focus on the details much...  it is kind of interesting.  Not saying I agree or disagree, just find it interesting.


Finally, someone who makes some sense (Catzmaw - 4/18/2008 12:03:50 PM)
I can hardly wait until this nomination is resolved so we can get to the real meat, taking out McCain as a threat.  You are completely on the money with this, and we should not for a moment imagine that it won't be difficult to win against him in Virginia.  


Couldn't agree more, anon... n/t (KathyinBlacksburg - 4/18/2008 12:17:10 PM)


Besides, McCain's support is soft (Evan M - 4/18/2008 12:21:14 PM)
The only poll that matters is in November [/cliche]

I agree with some in the blogosphere that McCain's support is soft, and has more to do with where we are in the campaign cycle than actual preferences in November.

Don't for get to link!

John McCain



3 Candidates, 2 from The Establishment (Teddy - 4/18/2008 10:12:03 AM)
From the beginning it has been apparent that the powers that be (whether you call it The Establishment or the Super Elite, you have a pretty good idea what is meant) have intended that the 2008 presidential race would be between McCain and Clinton, just as Hugh Hewitt revealed in his 2006 book "Painting the Map Red." When Obama roared out of nowhere and became a phenomenum, it upset the applecart: McCain was supposed to become transformed and acceptable to conservatives (who would learn of John's closet hard-right conservatism) and then he would crush the pre-demonized Hillary.

It took The Establishment a while to figure out that Barack was a real threat; they ran various attacks up the flagpole to see if any could be effective: he attended a madrassa, was a Muslim, won't wear a flag pin, has a pastor who said something hateful, and so on. We had an excellent view of the counterattack by the Establishment media in the last so-called debate.  

The heavy artillery has been rolled out to assist The Establishment's horse in the Democratic race: Hillary Clinton. When she of her volition brought up the Republican code word "elitist" and applied it self-righteously to Obama, I recognized that the fix was in. Mark Penn is not gone, just moved out of center stage; his union-busting, anti-labor lobbying outfit is still in place. While Obama does have some ties to big donors himself, it is very clear that we have Clinton as The  Establishment Freidman Chicago economics school candidate (Wall Street is embedded) on the one hand and Obama as the non-Establishment candidate. The big old white guys of The Establishment are determined to set things aright and return the 2008 campaign to their original scenario.    



The longer Hillary waits to give up, the worse it gets..... (bladerunner - 4/18/2008 11:09:03 AM)
....I surely don't know what Hillary thinks she's doing but the longer she stays it shows she only care about herself and not the party. Just look at the GOPers that stood down in their party after McCain took charge. It is the opinion of this person that Hillary wants the Democrat nominee to lose if it's not her. Of course she would never admit it.

Hillary give it up and get back to New York and continue with your duties as a Senator. Think of someone else but yourself. Polls are already showing that they don't believe Mrs. Clinton. Her true self is coming out. There's a place for Mrs. Clinton in politics--but being the wife of a president and a few years in the senate doesn't give her an automatic pass to back to the White House.



I agree with Teddy on the Establishment (bladerunner - 4/18/2008 11:14:02 AM)
going behind Hillary. Probably why she is not pulling out of the race too. It's funny that she called him an elitist, and then took shots of beer or whatever she drank. How staged. Obama did came from a lot further back then she did. Comparably she was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.


The Survey/USA polling (Alter of Freedom - 4/18/2008 1:26:12 PM)
is  astarting point I guess but we never really know what the demographics are of those being polled. For example, if the majority of those polled were from NOVA districts I would say that both are facing huge problems in the Commonwealth. NOVA represents the biggest opportunity to accumulate votes for these candidates, though McCain did do okay there in the Republican Primary against Huckabee, but if the polling was 8 points across a wide demographic of the State I think that is much better for the Democrats. No candidate will win Virginia without winning Northern Virginia.


It depends on your definition of Northern Virginia (citizenindy - 4/18/2008 1:54:32 PM)
If you are talking about PW, Loudoun, Fairfax, Arlington and Alexandria only I think you can still lose that and still win

Based on the demographics alone its pretty much impossible for an R to win this region anymore

However if you include more counties in NoVa than it changes things  



In the political rhelm (Alter of Freedom - 4/18/2008 2:46:43 PM)
I think NOVA is construed by many as North of Spotsylvania County or the City of Fredericksburg depending upon whom you are speaking with all the way to the Potomac and then east out to Faquier County.I grew up in Loudoun County and from a population perspective Loudoun and Fairfax seem to make up most of the numbers (voters that is) but obviously PWC and Stafford continue to grow as well.