Republican Hoops, Democrats Jumping

By: RuralD
Published On: 3/4/2008 10:04:19 AM

Surprise, surprise it looks like the head of Canada's "Republican" government was responsible for leaking that "memo".  It has been reported that Ian Brodie, Harper's cheif of staff, is responsible.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com...

http://thestar.blogs.com/polit...

Harper has pulled this sort of stunt before, but last time in reverse, it was Bush's U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins doing the favor for Harper in his contest against then Prime Minister Martin (a Liberal).

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada...

The Canadian Conservative Party and the Republican party in many ways are tightly integrated, they use the same polling firms and political operatives.  And as reported in the original CTV McCain recently made a trip to Canadian to visit with Harper . . .  wonder what they talked about?  Did you notice the bizarre attack McCain leveled at both Cinton and Obama on NAFTA, makes sense now doesn't it?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com...

So here's the skinny (and if you were left with any doubt which candidate the Republicans and Conservatives want to run against)

Analysts in Canada believe Harper does not want a Democrat in the White House, a development that could encourage Canadian voters to cast their ballots for a more liberal government in an election that will be held before 2010.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap...

So, are you comfortable with Democrats using elaborate attacks and smears created by a Conservative Foreign Government against a fellow Democrat?

Lets add another factor to this mess: that talk radio folks like Rush are calling on their listeners to go vote for Hillary to drag on the primary and do irreversible damage to the Democrats this fall:

The Limbaugh Strategy: Keep the Democrats fighting.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ho...

THIS IMAGE IS FROM RUSH'S SITE AS AN ILLUSTRATION

Now of course Hillary supporters were discounting whole state primaries because they thought that Republicans were voting for Obama . . . not surprisingly they seem to quite on this new twist.

And of course Rush is right this will keep us fighting and will only get much worse as it drags on (my bet is Hillary wins both Texas and Ohio tonight)

This long drawn out battle certainly is not going to help us win in the fall (and it is  impossible for Hillary to win the delegate count without a fight over Florida and Michigan)

http://marcambinder.theatlanti...

AND without her going even more negative on Obama (She needs to try to win PA by a large margin) COMPOUNDING this even further  I guarantee that next week the Obama campaign is going to really start unloading on Clinton.  

Starting next week they will begin their further descent into the mud with predictable consequences . . . oh well Democrats certainly have a unique talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Disclaimer: I have played my little part in creating inter-party tension as has local Hillary supporters: though I doubt this acknowledgment will do anything to diminish the sh*t storm we are heading into.  


Comments



The story is.. (ericy - 3/4/2008 10:16:46 AM)

According to Tom Brokaw, that there are 50 superdelegates ready to go to Obama on Wed if Clinton tries to continue on...


Wont Happen Now (RuralD - 3/4/2008 10:25:47 AM)
Because Clinton is about to win Ohio and Texas.

Going to be a big game changer as far as the press in concerned.

The press is primed to accept the Clinton spin, because the Clintons have been working them so hard, check this from Josh Marshall:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/a...

It's hard to say just what issues are responsible for the shift in momentum. It's hard to believe the NAFTA stuff hasn't played a role. The Farrakhan/Muslim/anti-Semitism stuff, which Clinton has pushed in concert with key press outlets, also probably plays a big role.

But I think the real story is a very effective working of the refs on the part of the Clinton campaign. Going back more than a week the Clinton campaign has made a concerted and aggressive push arguing that they've been the victim of systematically negative press coverage while Obama has gotten a free ride. Whether or not you agree with that claim there's little doubt that the effort has paid off big dividends. The last week's press coverage has featured a mix of stories on the question of relative scrutiny/fairness itself as well as more probing looks into Obama himself.

Its going to be a rough week or two for Obama supporters.



I think you may be right. (Lowell - 3/4/2008 10:27:12 AM)
except I think it will be more than a rough "week or two" if Clinton wins both OH and TX.


yeah (RuralD - 3/4/2008 10:41:15 AM)
well its going to be rough for the whole party because now this thing is going to the convention, pain and simple  

Clinton is going to go even more negative (to try to discredit Obama and win PA big) and Obama is going to employ his own "kitchen sink" strategy, further inflaming tennsions in the party.  Compounding this further, the Clintons will get momentum, which means they will be agitating about Florida and MI again.

I completely understand why Clinton is fighting this thing out, but its not going to be pretty and the math is stacked against her (even with FL and MI)

Oh well.



I like your Freudian slip... (Lowell - 3/4/2008 10:43:20 AM)
"pain and simple."  :)


Muddy Waters (aznew - 3/4/2008 1:24:06 PM)
Clinton arguably needs significant victories tonight, or she should begin making plans for gracefully dropping out somehow, for her own sake. It's a close call if she wins, but not by much, but I hope she finds some way to leave the race if that happens.

First, thank you, RuralID, for an honest diary. I could pick nits, but I'm not going to. I think this might the first acknowledgment I have yet seen from an Obama supporter that Obama and his supporters have played a role in sowing intra-party discord among Democrats. It is refreshing and constructive to see.

Obviously, we need to wait and see what happens today, but assuming the result that many seem to predicting now -- Clinton wins in Ohio by 5-6, and maybe squeaks by in Texas, (albeit losing in delegates in Texas because of its unique system), then she will clearly try to make the case that moving on to Pennsylvania is the entirely appropriate thing to do.

I'm not so sure what is to be gained from that beyond, as you note, adding more negativity to the race on both sides and dividing Democrats further, since the outcome of the nomination fight will be clear.

(That said, I would understand the logic of Clinton continuing on if she wins both TX and OH, even by small margins. The five months between now and the Convention are several political lifetimes, and anything could happen.)

All else being equal, and given the impossibility of predicting the unpredictable, for either candidate to lay a claim to the support of the S-Ds under a theory of voter choice/party unity, that candidate must be leading in both the committed delegate count AND the popular vote, AND by a clear margin (draw that line where you like) in one of those categories. I believe this was the Obama formula as well, some time back.

Under most foreseeable scenarios, Obama will control the committed delegate count, so the issue is the popular vote. There are several different ways to count this (see link below), but using the method most favorable to Obama, which I think happens to be the fairest one as well, Obama is ahead by about a million votes.

Clinton needs convincing victories in both Ohio and Texas to close this gap enough. If she doesn't get them, I suspect pressure will build on her to drop out once the news spin cycle plays itself out by the end of the week.

One note: It's possible Clinton could do better at the caucuses tonight than many think. Her campaign has been so burned there you have to think she learned some lessons and will be better organized.

Here is the article from the Center For Politics on the popular vote in Democratic primaries:

http://www.centerforpolitics.o...



Can someone talk to Hillary? (Hugo Estrada - 3/4/2008 2:52:52 PM)
She can't win the pledged delegate count with her advantage right now. Without a plurality of delegates, it will look to Obama supporters as if she stole the nomination, even if she is operating within the rules.

Even if she loses in the convention, her long negative campaign will have further alienated her supporters towards Obama.

And if she wins, her nominating campaign will be used against her in the general. She thinks she can handle mudslinging. She can't. She hasn't been tested running a campaign yet. Her behavior fits the conservative stereotype of her.

She is acting in a very auto-destructive way.