Webb "becomes more intriguing all the time"

By: Lowell
Published On: 1/29/2008 2:01:05 PM

I received a copy of this month's Washingtonian article on Jim Webb, entitled "No More Combat Boots."  It's a very interesting article (not online, unfortunately), including insights into how the "maverick Jim Webb has turned out to be more of a savvy operator than expected."  As Webb confidently says, "I know how to make decisions and I know how to lead."  

Yeah, you can say THAT again!  No wonder why Webb has become a star in the U.S. Senate after just a year, mentioned by many as a possible running mate on the Democratic ticket, and with a major legislative victory under his belt (the Webb-McCaskill "modern day Truman committee").

With that, here are a few highlights from the article.

*Steve Jarding says that Webb is "a very intriguing individual" who "becomes more intriguing all the time."  You can say that again, Steve! :)

*The story about how Webb "put this whole thing to bed" regarding his "How's your boy"/none of your business confrontation with President Bush in November 2006.

*I love this paragraph:

[Webb's] taken a growing interest in prison reform and the number of African-Americans behind bars.  It's a topic that doesn't get much attention in Washington and may seem incongruous for a man who refers to himself, with only modest irony, as a redneck. But it's in character for Webb, who wrote four years ago that the key to revolutionizing American politics lay in bringing working-class Scots-Irish whites together with blacks.

"Bringing working-class Scots-Irish whites together with blacks," eh?  Hmmmm....how on earth [cough cough Barack Obama] could we [cough cough Webb as running mate] do that?

*Speaking of Webb as a potential running mate, the Washingtonian article has this to say:

What [Webb] would bring is an articulate military voice against the war and a brawny image with the potential to attract moderate-to-conservative swing voters, especially men, who identify with Webb's pro-gun, pro-defense, red blooded Americanism.  That could add dimension to a ticket headed by either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.

Steve Jarding adds that Webb's on the VP list "because of his unique position to counter what the Republicans are saying, accusing Democrats of being soft on foreign policy or the war."  Jarding adds, "With Jim, you can't do that."

No disagreement here.  Go Obama-Webb!  Whoops, two small details -- we have to make sure Barack Obama wins the nomination, and then Obama has to convince Webb to sign on as his running mate.  Would Webb agree to that?  The last two paragraphs of the Washingtonian article are extremely intriguing in that regard:

Webb has said that he could lead a grand realignment of American politics if people would just listen to what he has to say.  That sort of self image suggests his ambitions might not be limited to the Senate, a chamber full of men, and at least one woman, convinced that they could do greater things at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

"The frustration of the Senate is that it's slow," says Webb, gesturing at a monitor behind his desk that is displaying a live shot of the Senate floor. "It looks like an aquarium."

Sounds a bit like George Allen's "wounded sea slug" comment before he decided to run for President. In Webb's case, I would anticipate a much happier ending to the story, however. :)


Comments



Webb is certainly intriguing (aznew - 1/29/2008 2:10:56 PM)
and an interesting VP choice for Obama, should he get the nomination. One of the important roles of a VP candidate is to carry the "negative" part of the campaign so the top of the ticket can remain positive, and that would be doubly important with Obama, given his "turn the page" rhetoric.

Anyone who has seen Webb in action knows that he can do that in a powerful way, being firm without being nasty. Go back and watch him eviserate Lindsay Graham on MTP a few months ago.

The only thing that gives me pause is the post of a few days ago, that Webb's approval rating in his own state is below 50%.



I am intrigued by Webb also, but... (Vince Ricardo - 1/29/2008 2:33:13 PM)
I don't know if I am willing to potentially give up a Democratic Senator to get him as VP.  Webb's seat is the reason we have a majority, and with Warner we could have two Democratic senators from Virginia for the first time since 1970.  Who fills Webb's seat if he leaves?  Will they be as powerful force for transformation?   Will they even be a Democrat?


Gov. Kaine would appoint a successor to Webb (Lowell - 1/29/2008 2:37:39 PM)
pending a special election.  Possible candidates include Kaine himself, given that his term expires in 2009.  Also, I think we have some talented newcomers like Joe Bouchard and Chap Petersen, just to throw out two names randomly (ha).  It certainly would be interesting...


Chap is hardly new (DanG - 1/29/2008 2:43:02 PM)
He's just untested statewide.  Still, I have faith that a candidate like Chap could win a statewide race in Virginia.


True, I meant "new" to the (Lowell - 1/29/2008 2:44:11 PM)
State Senate.


Having just kicked JMDD's (Lowell - 1/29/2008 2:44:31 PM)
butt the heck out of there.


I wouldn't normally pick Webb for VP... (NGB - 1/29/2008 3:26:51 PM)
But if would mean the appointment of Chap! to the U.S. Senate, I could get behind the idea.


If Kaine appoints himself (aznew - 1/29/2008 2:47:25 PM)
wouldn't Bolling become governor?

Any chance he might tap Moran or Deeds for the seat, perhaps removing the potential for a battle in 2009? I have no idea if either would be interested -- just floating the idea.



Kaine could appoint an interim (Lowell - 1/29/2008 2:50:25 PM)
then run in the special election.  But yeah, if Kaine appointed himself, Bolling would become governor and that would suck.  Not sure about Brian or Creigh...


Nice problem to have (Jack Landers - 1/29/2008 4:24:02 PM)
Who, oh who, to appoint to the United States Senate? Man, this would be a great problem for us to have. The idea of 'losing' that seat as an argument against Jim Webb for VP is total nonsense.

Actually, I would be surprised if Webb ran for a second term in the Senate anyhow. Assuming that the war is over by then.  



I agree with first half (DanG - 1/29/2008 4:41:26 PM)
I have NO problem whatsoever with Webb taking the VP Spot.  Give him more power?  Fine with me.

However, i certainly hope Webb runs for a second term if the candidate passes him over.



An Aquarium (Lee Diamond - 1/29/2008 3:02:46 PM)
That is a funny line.

We're heavily favored to win seats in the Senate anyway, so Jim as the VP nominee should not be a problem.  You just wouldn't want the next President to make a habit of plucking people out of the Senate like the last Democratic President did.



Now if only we could get his poll numbers up (Silence Dogood - 1/29/2008 6:02:39 PM)
And maybe some positive press in a few Virginia-based news outlets?  I wish the veep-speak would end so Jim could focus on being a Senator; he still has a lot of room left to grow in that role.


The Poll thing... (TMSKI - 1/29/2008 6:10:50 PM)
You know the approval polling thing is just a reflection of the republican majority here in Virginia. There is a lot of resentment over the fact Webb won. Nationwide Webb is loved by the Democrats for sure after his SOTU address last year. You get him on the Obama ticket and John McCain has nothing to say about national security "expertise".  


Actually, I don't know that. (Silence Dogood - 1/29/2008 6:18:44 PM)
And neither do you.  I would concede that it's likely that Republicans are going to register dislike for him in high numbers, but that would only by itself account for the fact that he's stagnant in the mid-to-upper 40s if you believe that 55% of Virginians are Republicans.  In which case, I say we use this blog to post funny pictures of our pets, because it's pointless to go on.

If, on the other hand, you think like I do and that a large segment of Virginians are independents and they tend to disapprove of Senator Jim Webb, that's kind of actually a problem that at some point ought to be addressed, rather than rationalized away.



Based on some of the feedback here (aznew - 1/29/2008 6:22:29 PM)
one of the explanations for Webb's poor numbers was his poor constituent service (which tracks with my own personal experience with his office). That sort of nuts and bolts politics is, I imagine, less important at the national level.


What DO YOU KNOW? (TMSKI - 1/29/2008 9:40:26 PM)
Let's start with ... How was the poll conducted?  Who conducted it and what were the questions? With approximately one year in office and therefore only about 18 months of name recognition, just how relevant is a poll anyway? If you couple it to the fact that Congress  (a Democratic Congress) in general has gotten worse approval ratings then the President what is a good and balanced Poll to begin with??

Add to this the fact that the Republican Party has expertly practiced a Block & Blame strategy to the Senate's Democratic Legislative initiatives and you don't exactly get a clear picture of performance and/or acceptance to that performance.

Other than that, yeah I don't know shit and all of the banter here is CONJECTURE.  My conjecture comes from reading a lot of editorials and blog responses surrounding Senator Webb.  There is clearly a strong anti-Webb faction out there which reflects a kind of Allen / Gilmore partisanship (radical right) at it's best / or worst depending on your orientation.

I figure Dogood that you might live in NOVA which might as well be another state. Because the rest of Virginia polls 60/40 Republican and for me (living in an area like that) .... any number over 40 is a good thing.



When in doubt, attack the poll? (Jack Landers - 1/29/2008 10:35:41 PM)
Right. When in doubt, attack the poll.

Webb has been hovering between 50-52% in SUSA polls all year. And SUSA has been the gold standard these last few years. They were dead-on in 2004 and with most of the 2006 numbers. Accept the facts.

I'm a huge fan of Jim Webb. I busted my ass for him in 2006 and I'd do it all over again. But it is a fact that for some reason he polls only around 50% in Virginia. I do think that there might be something to the notion that it's bad blood over the Allen defeat. After all, Allen was an incumbent who was very well-liked by the opposition and for whom 49% of the votes were cast.

I think that Jim Webb has distinguished himself enough nationally to be a major asset to an Obama ticket, regardless of his lack of huge popularity at home.  He's the party's leading voice on policy in Iraq and he is our only really credible voice on defense issues right now. Wesley Clark should be such a voice in theory, but in practice the only thing he's stuck his head up for in the last year was to endorse Hillary Clinton.  Webb is the best candidate we have for strengthening Barack Obama against attacks from McCain for being weak on defense.  



Seriously (aznew - 1/29/2008 10:44:04 PM)
when I read the words, "Wesley Clark should be such a voice in theory, but in practice the only thing he's stuck his head up," I thought the next phrase would be, "Hillary Clinton's ass."



What do I know? (Silence Dogood - 1/30/2008 10:33:34 AM)
I know well enough not to make assumptions about the things I can't quanitify or qualify statistically.  I know how to read a poll.  I know that you only get to blame a few of them--but if you keep polling and you keep getting the same results, you shouldn't blame the poll.  I know that under NO circumstances should you blame the voters; it's not their responsibility to change the way they feel and they have no obligation to think the way I do.  I know the definition of the word "stagnant."  I know not to give too much credit to a candidate who won with only 49%--and I also know that people who think that 49% is the best Jim Webb could do are both giving him too much credit and not nearly enough.  I know that just because I would vote for someone doesn't necessarily mean he's actually all that good a politician.  And I know that the difference between someone who drinks the red koolaide and someone who drinks the blue koolaide isn't really all that significant in the grand scheme of things.


With Senator Webb..... (TMSKI - 1/29/2008 6:06:13 PM)
Man I really like the ring of that ... what a difference 9 thousand votes makes!

Anyhow I've said this before,  that the only way you could get Jim to run as a VP is if a deal was brokered where he could have / make ..... a major impact on the body politic... which of course would be taking on the "realignment" mission foreshadowed in Born Fighting.

That said it doesn't really work if Clinton or Edwards were at the helm as it doesn't track with their campaign themes. Edwards is Fighting for sure (as in taking a Mudcat cue from Born Fighting) and Clinton is Managing (as in the queen of wonkery).

Only Obama is campaigning for large scale Change which is really a reform / realignment of our political discourse - the anti-polarity campaign. Within that context, and with an African American as the principal partner .... well that's where it starts getting poetic and I think my favorite Senator would like that story line .... it would be challenging any day of the week .... the odds would be against such a romantic vision.

And that's precisely why he would take the chance. Notice I didn't say jump at the chance .... he really doesn't like the whole campaign thing and the burden on the family which comes with the job.

But just like Draft James Webb ... with Jarding telling him his chances of winning were 15% ... It certainly would be the Right thing to Do!!

So I hope all those Super Tuesday kids get the Kennedy message and get on board the Change Train .... because this thing could really work and we need a HUGE antidote to 8 years of Dubya and Dickhead.



I would love for him to have the honor of being tapped (connie - 1/29/2008 6:53:23 PM)
But it horrifies me to think of how hard we worked to capture that seat for the Democrats, and how we won that seat with a razor's edge margin even after Maccagate...the "perfect storm" of political blunders.

I shudder to think of George Allen running again to regain that seat after he's put some distance between himself and the '06 fiasco. Having to fight again so we can keep that  seat in Democratic hands  would be a REAL pain.



No Problem (TMSKI - 1/29/2008 9:41:56 PM)
Think Mark Warner and Tim Kaine


Allen is done. (Jack Landers - 1/29/2008 10:41:09 PM)
If Allen was going to attempt a comeback, an open seat would have been the perfect opportunity. Yet he took a pass at an easy nomination fight against Jim Gilmore.

We've got a deep bench now. Relax. Tim Kaine or Creigh Deeds or possibly Chap Peterson could hold that seat for us against George Allen.

And what an up-side! Vice President Jim Webb!  Possibly President Jim Webb down the road. Being VP usually locks up the nomination for President when the time comes.  



Senator Jim Webb's 2007 Year-In-Review (norman swingvoter - 1/29/2008 8:51:06 PM)
I just received an email from Webb that goes into his accomplishments for the year.  The email is extensive so I have forwarded a copy to Lowell to see if he might like to post it or part of it.  Webb says that he has served 6000 Virginians in 2007 as well as responding to 65000 pieces of mail.  It sounds like the service part is getting ramped up.  That should help him.  He just needs to get the message out on his accomplishments.


Vintage Webb (TMSKI - 1/29/2008 9:44:40 PM)
The Roanoke paper has the words posted and a really good video taping of Webb articulating the our current SOTU one year after his profound address.


Enough with the jocking (Sui Juris - 1/29/2008 11:06:42 PM)
Jesus do you people get blinders to some folks.  Jim Webb's a fine enough Senator, but this shoving him into fantasy VP and Presidential slots is ridiculous.  Recall that he was still gullible enough to get suckered into the FISA vote in August.

Look, I too invested a lot of time and money into supporting his candidacy, and have no question that he was the far better candidate in the primary and general elections.  But I don't think it does anyone any good to push on with this silly canonization of a first term senator.  Is is good?  Yeah.  Could he be better?  Hell yeah.  My recommendation?  Focus on pushing him to be better, instead of this uncritical and reliable praise that seems emanate from RK.