Misleading accusations? In a political campaign? I'm shocked and chagrined. SHOCKED AND CHAGRINED!

The Obama campaign's truth squad idea is the best thing it's done in a week. Emails from your wife complaining another candidate is being mean? Not going to get you anywhere. Catch Clinton on videotape in a bald-faced lie and turn it around within 24 hours on YouTube? Now you're talking.

Who would rather have as First Lady?  Michelle Obama or Bill Clinton?

I'm shocked that people are accusing Bill Clinton of lying in public, just shocked! What in his background would lead anyone to think he would be capable of such a thing?

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Not Bill Part Deux.

"Bill Clinton is hurting the Democratic Party."

And yes, I've heard this from numerous people outside the blogs, NOT all Obama supporters, who are livid at what Bill Clinton's been doing and also very worried about the long-term immpact on the Democratic Party.

NOT just Obama supporters, that if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination and McCain gets the Republican nomination, we're in big trouble.  I hope they're wrong, but I'm hearing this with  increasing frequency AND intensity.  Some Democrats -- I'm talking about good, loyal Democrats here -- are saying they won't vote for Hillary.  Others are saying "I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary, but I won't do anything more than that."  Finally, not that this is big news or anything, but I'm also hearing that African Americans are really getting pissed at Bill Clinton.

People are being mean to him...

The "victim" act isn't gonna work against Republicans...in the unlikely event he gets the nod...

And particularly when his hypocrisy is so transparent. Obama has been distorting Hillary's record for months now...

But here at RaisingObama we don't hear too much about that...

Exactly what has Obama done or said that is a distortion of Clinton's record?  Specifics, please.

I would not have made the claim against Clinton under just a week or two ago.  If you think that what the Clintons are doing is honorable campaigning, or OK to do (especially to a fellow Democrat) then I truly feel sorry for you.

Distorting and misrepresenting other candidates opinions is NOT ethical.

Please, enlighten me as to how Barack has been doing this to Hillary and I will stand corrected.

Meant to respond to main article...

I have talked to numerous people who will not vote for Obama or Edwards in the general except under the most dire circumstances....I am one of them...

Obama began this spiral into negative campaign tactics a couple months ago when his unity theme wasn't working for him...

I think any Democrat who would not vote for the nominee, with so much at stake, is a fool. If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, not only will I vote for her, I'll work hard to elect her.  I certainly would NEVER say what you have said, that you won't vote for Edwards or Obama.  Blech.

in the general?

Do tell.

Except under dire circumstances...

I would not allow my vote to aid the Republican candidate..if however Virginia was not close, or if there were a viable third party candidate running whose views were largely in line with mine and had a chance...I would look very seriously at voting for them...

If however polls were close here I would vote against the Republican candidate in the most effective way I could to insure their defeat...my vote would not be for Obama or Edwards but simply to insure no Republican victory...

you will hear that a lot of Republicans will be staying home if McCain get the nomination, so where does that leave us.

The races for nominations of both parties are in such a state of flux, I think polls or opinions of people, even done in good faith, trying to gauge the relative strength of candidates in a general election 10 months off are not very meaningful.

will stay home because McCain is the nominee.  Especially if Hillary Clinton, who they've spent a decade demonizing, is the Democratic nominee, I think they'll show up simply to defeat the "common enemy."  We'll see, but my thinking is that we're a lot smarter to go with Obama than Clinton in terms of electoral "strategery."  

I wouldn't be shocked to see a 3rd party candidate from the right if McCain was the nominee.

Emotions are high. Permutations are many. Predictions are 'nigh impossible, and basing a strategy or a candidate choice on them is questionable, to me.

That all said, I hear what you are saying.

 

about the mindset behind a decision like this:

Some Democrats -- I'm talking about good, loyal Democrats here -- are saying they won't vote for Hillary.

I'm not Hillary's biggest fan (I'm an Edwards supporter who will probably end up rolling to Obama, and then voting for Hillary in the general), but good god amighty you'd have to be a moron to vote for any of the Republicans over her (or simply not cast your vote for her if she's the nominee, which would be the same thing (hello, Nader voters)).

Really, I can't take anyone seriously as a rational Democrat if they wouldn't vote for Hillary in the general.

I'm just passing along what I'm hearing from many people.

I still think it will be Romney and after tonights debate it looks more and more like Romney.

So you can stop the bashing that Hillary can't beat McCain, cause he won't be around for the General.

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Bill is hurting the party.

that Miles and Dems08 think that a childish and sexist call out deserves to be uprated.  

I read this on a WaPo political fact-checker blog. This is confirmed by the Chicago Sun Times.

Web sites and Crain's Chicago Business have noted Michelle's June 2005 election to the board of directors of TreeHouse Foods -- a post that earned her $45,000 in 2005 and stock options that by the end of 2006, if claimed, would have reaped her $60,000.

"She got on the corporate board of someplace where she could make money, and make money quickly,'' said political consultant Joe Novak, who operates a Web site that has criticized Michelle's new TreeHouse role.
"She's cashing in because of her husband.''
Michelle was on the TreeHouse board in November 2005, when one of its divisions announced plans to close its pickle and relish plant in La Junta, Colo., displacing 150 "mainly Hispanic'' workers, Novak said.

How can Barry criticize HRC for serving on the WalMart BOD as the First Lady of Arkansas, when his wife is getting $60,000 from a Walmart subsidiary?  BTW, Hillary has recently criticized WalMart for it's labor practices -- which are apparently quite different from the time that she served on its BOD and she returned the $5000 donation from WalMart.  Has Barry returned the $168,000 in donations he's received from Resko, the federally-indicted Chicago real estate developer? The same Resko who helped the Obamas buy a large house in Chicago for $300,000 less than the fair market value?

If Barry didn't want to go down this road, then he should not have taken that first step when he was busy smearing Hillary back in Iowa.  

     

Exactly...

When Obama attacks he is simply illuminating the differences between the candidates...

When Hillary attacks...she is being negative and destroying the party

I'm real sure that Treehouse Foods is a pro union and unionized company.

Huh huh. right. Do unions actually do any research before they endorse?????????????

If you're referring to Barack, grow the hell up.

for much of his life -- used by his grandparents and mother and childhood friends.

Some say Barack, fyi, is Hebrew or Old Testament in origin.  Several Israeli acquaintances have said it's not uncommon in Israel, with variant English spellings.

My, my, tempers are short around here.

"What we didn't expect, at least not from our fellow Democrats, are the win-at-all-costs tactics we've seen recently. We didn't expect misleading accusations that willfully distort Barack's record".

Are you sure you and "O" are ready for the WH?

We were expecting that from Republicans.  We weren't expecting that from Democrats.  Sorry for assuming that Billary had more compassion than Sweeney-damned-Todd.  The mistake will not be repeated.

When it starts to fly about Treehouse Foods,

WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST ABOUT BEING ON THE BOARD OF WALMART.