Tom Perriello: "Should We Fear a Religious Left?"

By: Lowell
Published On: 11/3/2007 9:27:52 AM

I've largely avoided discussion of 2008 the past few weeks as I focus on this coming Tuesday.  However, I wanted to point readers to TPM Cafe, where blogger and 5th district Democratic congressional candidate Tom Perriello asks, "Should We Fear a Religious Left?"  Check out all of Tom's recent TPM Cafe diaries here, including "Our Culture War on Greed", which has stirred up a great deal of discussion.

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These Are the Religious Left: (AnonymousIsAWoman - 11/3/2007 12:07:12 PM)
Tom Perriello had an excellent blog post.  If you fear the religious left, it means you have to be afraid of people like the late Martin Luther King, Jr., and Robert Kennedy, as well as those like John Lewis; AFL-CIO President John Sweeney; actor Martin Sheen; author Jim Wallis; former Virginia state Senator Joe Gartland; Rabbi Michael Lerner, of Tikkun Magazine; and me.  I'm not anywhere in the league of those I've mentioned, but I'm the religous left too.  Fear them, fear me as well.

In addtion, Tom mentioned in his superb post that the collapse of communism had more to do with the dedication of Pope John Paul II to human rights than to Ronald Reagan.  That is true.  But the collapse of the Iron Curtain also had a great deal to do with the Solidarity Movement in Poland, as led by

Lowell, is Soapblox acting up? (AnonymousIsAWoman - 11/3/2007 12:11:20 PM)
I seem to have lost half my comment?


Not that I know of. (Lowell - 11/3/2007 12:19:14 PM)
What happened exactly?


I don't know, my comments just went away (AnonymousIsAWoman - 11/3/2007 2:59:35 PM)
It cut off in the middle.  Darned if I know what happened but I think it's funny.  I assure you the world can live without my "deathless prose" once in a while :)


I love your "deathless prose" (Lowell - 11/3/2007 3:05:01 PM)
and only wish you'd post more of it here! :)


Lowell, promise you I will soon... (AnonymousIsAWoman - 11/3/2007 3:57:53 PM)
and thanks :)


Comments unsurprising (Matusleo - 11/3/2007 12:28:12 PM)
Reading through the comments to his post, I am left chuckling to myself at the predictability of the responses.  Those of us who are religious cheer him on, those of us who aren't throw cold water on his concerns. 

Faith is a rational response to the world.  And applying the lessons of faith to the governing of our world is also equally rational.  Some of the comments expressed concern about the rights of minorities, and those should be protected, but not to the detriment of the majority.  Rather, all should be treated equally without bias. 

I'm delighted to know that this conversation is taking place.  Only with mutual understanding, and a breaking down of prejudices, can we be more than a party of laws.

Matusleo
Ut Prosim



I'm not religious at all but... (Lowell - 11/3/2007 12:32:36 PM)
...I am very impressed with Tom Perriello.  I strongly believe that religious progressives can be a critical force for good, and also for combating what what Wes Clark calls the "religious wrong" (aka, the "religious right" -- wholly owned and operated arm of the Republican Party).


That doesn't surprise me (Matusleo - 11/3/2007 10:49:42 PM)
You've always struck me as somebody who recognized the difference between a group hijacking religion for their own ends, and those whose religion informed their decisions.

Matusleo
Ut Prosim



Your definition of faith is perfect (GinterParked - 11/3/2007 9:10:12 PM)
"Faith is a rational response to the world."

Of course, my idea of perfection is as subject to debate as the next person's concept of the deity.  Still, your exposition explains wonderfully the problem (ie uncertainty and confusion) and the strategy to deal with it, (ie increasingly hierarchical bureaucracies) employed by organized religions, so as to better manage the dogma.

On the second point of course, we have some late experience in Virginia, from Revs Robertson and Falwell (rest his soul).



When it comes to Heirarchy... (Matusleo - 11/3/2007 10:57:43 PM)
I go straight to the source  ;-) (I'm Catholic).

I think the problem with groups like Pat Robertson et al. is that they become in many ways, cults of personality.  The 700 Club doesn't exist without Pat Robertson.  While Pat isn't as nutty as say David Koresh, it is still all about him as the leader of the group. 

This is why I feel more comfortable in the hierarchy of Catholicism, because it is not a cult of personality; Popes come and go, some more quickly than others (poor Pope John Paul I lasted only 31 days!). 

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.  My point in making that statement was that several of the people commenting on his post said that religious people are not rational.  Quite frankly, it is talk like that that creates wedges between us.

Tom's post was a wonderful breath of fresh air.

Matusleo
Ut Prosim



Thanks for directing us to this, Lowell (LAS - 11/3/2007 1:26:15 PM)
Where can I contribute to his campaign?

For far too long we have allowed the Religious Wrong (aka arm of the Republican party) to be the face of Christianity. And when I say "we" I also mean we in the Democratic party. I think a major part of the reason I am a Democrat is because of my faith. Forget all the crap the religious right spews; fundamentally, Jesus was all about loving and helping your neighbor. 



Tom's campaign website (Lowell - 11/3/2007 2:44:43 PM)
is
here.  Another Democrat running for the nomination in the 5th is David Shreve, a  very interesting candidate as well.


Thanks for posting this! (lumpkincharm - 11/3/2007 7:44:55 PM)
Like you, I wanted to wait until the local and state elections were over until I posted this. 

I thought that it was an excellent article and furthers the debate in Democratic circles about a healthy relationship with religion. 

I would also like to add that I just came back from a tour stop in Danville where Governor Warner, Governor Kaine, and Senator Webb, Ward Armstrong, Brian Moran, and Creigh Deeds campaigned for Andy Parker and Adam Tomer.  Warner and Kaine both made strong, undeniable allusions to the Bible, and the next stop on the tour was a local church.  Just sayin'.



A religious left (tx2vadem - 11/3/2007 9:18:02 PM)
I don't fear a religious left anymore so that I fear a religious right.  What I fear is the adoption of an anthropomorphic God.  I fear a blank slate in which people project their human emotions and will on; and then say with conviction that they are doing God's work. 

To a large extent on the Christian Coalition end of the equation, I think they have done exactly that.  They have adopted an anthropomorphic God.  A God that experiences the human emotion of hate.  And when you believe that God hates something, then there is no place for a rational discussion anymore. 

The adoption of transcendent truths shared by all world religions is not threatening.  That is: treating fellow human beings well and being good stewards of the world around us.