"Why did they waste our time?" PW Board Votes 8-0 for Resolution, Doesn't Fund It

By: Lowell
Published On: 10/17/2007 6:25:12 AM

"Why did they waste our time" in Prince William County yesterday?  I think that's a serious question by Juan Pablo Gomez of Manassas, given the 12 hours (until 2 am this morning) of public testimony yesterday by 400 speakers in front of thousands of people inside and outside the county government complex in Woodbridge.  According to the Washington Post:

The resolution supervisors approved early today included new provisions addressing concerns about cost, fairness and public confusion about the measures. It postponed the more contentious matter of how to secure long-term funding for the plan, projected to cost $14.2 million over the next five years. It also calls for a public education campaign aimed at the immigrant and minority communities, while directing the county to partner with a university or outside consulting group to review the measures' fairness.

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With Prince William property values dropping 14 percent this year and the county facing a projected revenue shortfall of $10 million in the next fiscal year, supervisors would only commit $325,000 toward the measures, but pledged to find the rest of the money later.

That's right, after 12 hours of testimony yesterday, the unanimous vote for the Prince William anti-illegal-immigrant measure appeared pre-ordained.  Why did they bother going through the hearing if they all had their minds made up beforehand? 

More theater of the absurd: they passed a resolution but committed no significant money to implement it because...wait for it...they don't have the money.  Gee, you think that this might all be politcal posturing right before an election?  Oh no, that would NEVER happen! Heh.
Meanwhile, the whole exercise was ridiculous in the sense that "[s]ervices such as access to schools and emergency medical care are federally protected, and illegal immigrants are already ineligible for benefits such as Medicare and food stamps."  So what Prince William county did last night was to cut "a more limited set of services and benefits, including substance abuse counseling, homeless assistance and in-home care and other county programs for the elderly." 

Congratulations to Prince William county supervisors for reducing substance abuse counseling (watch drug addiction rates increase) and in-home care for the elderly (nice, go after the weakest and most powerless members of the community).  Of course, they didn't address the root causes (e.g., powerful economic and political forces) of illegal immigration.  They didn't appropriate money to defend the border with Mexico (which of course is a federal, not a state or local responsibility regardless).  They didn't fund their "crackdown."  They didn't look at the experience of other towns that enacted measures like theirs, then rescinded them after witnessing the disastrous results.  In the end, despite all the sound and fury, what did yesterday's hearing and vote signify?

The bottom line is that Prince William County doesn't have the resources to do anything serious about the NATIONAL ISSUE of illegal immigration.  But, they can certainly hurt their community in the process of pretending to do something, and they made a start at doing just that last night.  Congratulations.

Meanwhile, the limited measures Prince William county DID take might not even be constitutional -- "A group of 22 plaintiffs has filed a lawsuit against the county and its top officials in federal court seeking to block the measures, claiming that they violate equal protection laws and that immigration enforcement is a federal concern."  We'll see how that plays out in court.

Speaking of court, I would certainly hope that Prince William County board chairman Corey Stewart is investigated and possibly prosecuted for using taxpayer dollars to send out a blatantly political mailer -- just 3 weeks before an election -- about this meeting.  I mean, seriously, what part of "illegal" doesn't Corey Stewart understand?  And who is he to say one word on ethics or legality?

P.S.  The state yesterday nixed the idea of building a detention center specifically dedicated to illegal immigrants convicted of certain crimes.

P.P.S. For more on this issue, see the excellent YouTube videos put together by Annabel Park and Eric Byler.


Comments



not ready for prime time politics or morality (jsrutstein - 10/17/2007 8:14:00 AM)
It appears that loudmouths like Greg at BVBL, who as best as I can tell is solely motivated by his car having been stolen by an undocumented person, put a bug in the ear of Supervisor Stirrup (could that name be any more Dickensian).  Petty demagogue, Chairman Corey Stewart, who fled Fairfax County for Prince William County, personally exacerbating the feelings of the fearful "natives," saw a convergence between the racism in PWC and the fact that the VA GOP had no other issue to distract from their ridiculous abusive driver fees.

Stewart may win re-election as PWC Chairman, but I can't imagine him ever succeeding Tom Davis in VA-11.  The other Supervisors, who might have simply voted no, stumbled badly.  I don't know to what extent they face serious challenges three weeks from yesterday, but they risked losing votes from voters on both sides of the issue by trying to have it both ways.

The good news is that, by cutting the first year funding by almost 90%, between the start-up costs of police training and the additional expenses added in last night's modifications, such as the public education campaign, the partnering with outside groups, and most immediately the expenses of having to defend against lawsuits, at least one of which has already been filed, there will be almost nothing left of the $325,000 to pay for the racial profiling, oops, I mean legitimate traffic stops and other checks of "probable" undocumented persons.

In defending itself in the lawsuits, the County will have to show that denying the services is related to some legitimate mission of the County.  They've only set the bar higher for themselves by admitting that they've done no research into how many undocumented persons are actually availing themselves of such services.

All the Supervisors can do now is pray that the voters don't conclude that passing the resolution in this way made things worse, because the reasonable estimates for the near-term in PWC is bleak in terms of increased taxes and decreased services.  There's an apt biblical metaphor here about reaping whirlwinds.

The true tragedy here is that the ones who will suffer the most are those least able to defend themselves.  I can't fathom why a decent majority of PWC residents and voters haven't yet been motivated to understand that they have an obligation to defend and care for these others who are proving every day by withstanding the hate that they must have had it even worse in the lands that they left.  You may convince some federal judge today that "it's the law,"  but, if you're a sincere believer, I don't know how you'll convince the ultimate judge.



Your words are eloquent on this matter.... (Dianne - 10/17/2007 1:41:12 PM)
especially the last paragraph. My husband's mother and father were turn-of-the-century immigrants whose parents did not speak English and were just thankful to get here and avoid the inevitable pogrom in Russia.  They survived and their children assimilated.  My husband's family is grateful that Americans welcomed them here 100 years ago and allowed them a place to find peace and prosperity. 

Can we not show some compassion too?



the importance of memory (jsrutstein - 10/17/2007 2:09:22 PM)
Thanks.  Some of my great grandparents also were immigrants from Russian controlled territory around the turn of the 20th century.  What confounds me is that just about everyone who seems to lack compassion today on this issue also has immigrant ancestors, many of whom also came to this country in hopes of experiencing less oppression.  There is simply no excuse for adding the persecution of today's immigrants to the most shameful episodes of our country's history, the massacre of the native inhabitants and the institution of slavery.


There Is A Big Difference Between Then and Now (HisRoc - 10/17/2007 2:41:30 PM)
Yes, my ancestors came here also, on my father's side, from Russia via Great Britain and, on my mother's side from Germany and Ireland.  My wife's grandmother immigrated from Ireland at the age of 16 in 1921.  Before she passed away, we took her to Ellis Island one beautiful spring day to see her name on the Immigrant Wall of Honor there.  Inside the main hall, there is a huge mural of contemporary black and white photos showing a long line of immigrants and families.  When "Nana" saw it she started softly crying.  "That is exactly what it was like.  We stood all day in line to be examined."
You see, that is the difference between then and now.  Despite what Scott Clark asserted at the meeting yesterday, Italian and Irish immigrants (and others) coming to America did not do so illegally.  On the contrary, the biggest political issue of the turn of the last century was not illegal immigration, but how to equitably adjust immigration quotas for countries with people waiting to migrate to America.  People who oppose illegal immigration today are not lacking in compassion--they simply want to end the invasion from the south and have an orderly process for admitting new residents from all parts of the world, not just those who benefit from a common land border with the US.  Go back to Marc's article and re-read the quote from Awad Farah.  That is what this debate is all about.  BTW, I loved the way that Marc got suckered by Scott Clark's assertion that "wop" was slang for "without papers."  That is hillarious.  That disparaging term came from several European words including "wappe," which meant rogue in French, and "vappe," which meant scoundrel in Latin.


the importance of progress (jsrutstein - 10/17/2007 3:08:55 PM)
Mexicans may benefit from a common border, but I'm not sure why they should suffer just because it was easier to control immigration when people came over from Europe on boats to a country where open racism was acceptable.  We are not going to deport 12 million undocumented persons.  We are not going to pay for an impregnable border.  Businesses are going to keep trying to employ the undocumented persons they need to make their profits.  The undocumented persons who see a better life for themselves and their families working for those businesses are going to keep trying to get here.  When push comes to shove I believe a clear majority of us will not permit people to be persecuted simply because of their skin color, cultural differences, or lack of fluency in English.


"When push comes to shove... (pol - 10/17/2007 3:38:28 PM)
I believe a clear majority of us will not permit people to be persecuted simply because of their skin color, cultural differences, or lack of fluency in English."

Where are these voices now?  Why don't our churches step in?  Why don't our community leaders speak with reason?



and therein lies the moral dilemma (jsrutstein - 10/17/2007 4:07:59 PM)
I don't recall hearing much complaining about undocumented persons when times were relatively better, for example, when the economy was better for the average person, the Twin Towers still stood, and we didn't have more than 150,000 troops occupying a country in the middle of a civil war.

I don't hold out much hope that we'll see much improvement until the next Administration in 2009.  If, at that time, things do start to get better, the loud minority complaining about undocumented persons will grow quieter and shrink.  The downside will be the elimination of pressure on our elected representatives to enact true reform to an immigration system that hasn't seen such reform in way too long.

On the other hand, if things get worse enough before they get better, the average person may have to publicly choose sides.  I guess that's what I meant by when push comes to shove.  I only hope the level of persecution that is grounded in irrational fear of others, i.e., racism, and that does exist today is minimal.  I concede that the open society that my immigrant ancestors bravely bequeathed to me makes me partly responsible for such persecution whether I directly inflict it or merely passively allow it to occur.  If I were a believer, I'd close with something like "may God have mercy on my soul."



There Is A Difference Between Persecution and Prosecution (HisRoc - 10/17/2007 4:31:42 PM)
The former means to illegally and immorally harass and oppress.  The latter means to enforce the rule of law.  I love the way people on both sides of this argument play word games to invoke emotional responses.  "Prosecuting illegal immigrants" becomes "persecuting undocumented workers."


Well, What About the People Who Are Still Trying to Come Over... (HisRoc - 10/17/2007 4:06:39 PM)
here by plane and boat from anywhere else?  Why should people from Mexico and Central America be allowed to jump the line just because they don't have to pass through an airport or a seaport to get here?
I agree, we are certainly not going to round up and deport 12 million people.  Nor, are we going to pay for an impregnable border--SBINet has demonstrated that already.  Stopping illegal immigration is like stopping illegal drug importation:  you have to shut off demand at the source.  As I commented in another diary on this blog, every time I have started work at new company over the past 10 years, I had to bring either an original of my birth certificate or my passport to work the first day to prove that I am a citizen or legal resident.  This should be a universal requirement.  BTW, I have never said a word about skin color, cultural differences, or English fluency in this diary or anywhere else.  Your reference to these factors in a response to me is, by inference, that I should be lumped with the bigots.  Shame on you.


waking up with fleas (jsrutstein - 10/17/2007 4:22:03 PM)
I apologize for offending you.  I am surprised to encounter such a sensitive person on your side of the immigration issue.  Earlier in this thread, I admitted guilt for not doing enough to stop the persecution that the PWC Board made more likely by its vote early this morning.  I'd feel even worse if I engaged in a dialogue with someone who supported that vote and didn't raise the topic whose name must not be spoken.*

*racism



You Amaze Me (HisRoc - 10/17/2007 4:40:14 PM)
For someone who is so adamently opposed to persecution and racism, you seem to enjoy using one of their ugliest devices:  catagorizing and labeling whole groups of people based on superficial similarities.
I am very sorry that you suffer so greatly from bleeding heart liberal guilt.  You should get therapy for that.


Wow! Thanks Dude! (jsrutstein - 10/17/2007 5:30:57 PM)
Thanks for calling me amazing.  I hope your feeling sorry for my suffering is tempered by your recognition that I enjoy calling out racists.  I guess until I'm ready to seek out a therapist, I'll have to continue to self-medicate.


Nice, so anyone who disagrees with you (Lowell - 10/17/2007 5:34:47 PM)
is a "bleeding heart liberal" who needs "therapy."  In other words, you have no argument so you hurl insults at people.  Verrrry clever, I must say!  *snark*


Hey, He Started It! (HisRoc - 10/17/2007 5:46:28 PM)
Lowell,
Actually, I only resort to insults when I'm responding in kind.  And, yes, I do try to be somewhat clever in doing it.  :)
My point was that most of my progressive friends got over the "bleeding heart liberal guilt" thing back in the 80's.  As a matter of fact, that was about when it became fashionable to be a progressive rather than a liberal.  It was like smoking--an easy affliction for most of us to cure once we put our minds to it.  If you are still doing it, you probably need help.
Unless you can point out a single posting of mine that comes anywhere close to showing racial prejudice, then as the blog-meister here, go chastize he who hurled the first insult in what what otherwise a reasonable and polite debate.


Actually, it's been "fashionable" to be progressive (Lowell - 10/17/2007 5:51:30 PM)
since the days of Teddy Roosevelt, one of my political heroes.

As far as the "he started it, no he started it," that's really  interesting (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) but I still don't see how telling someone they need "therapy" for holding a different viewpoint than yours is particularly constructive.



Well, You've Got a Point There (HisRoc - 10/17/2007 6:55:38 PM)
The truth of the matter is that suggesting therapy is not any more of an insult than making a accusation of racism just because you disagree with someone's opinion, wouldn't you  agree?

I do enjoy this blog, Lowell.  The people here are much more interesting and certainly more intelligent than the flat-earthers over on the Neo-Con blogs.  The problem is that I'm a moderate Independent and consider myself neither a Democrat nor a Republican.  That is an interesting political stance to claim.  My conservative friends call me a liberal and my progressive friends call me a conservative.  You wouldn't believe the cross-fire that I can get caught in.  In any event, I call 'em like I see 'em and support the position that is most intellectually honest as I understand it.

Thanks.



Off topic (Pain - 10/17/2007 7:11:29 PM)
I agree that the exchanges here are much more, er, intellectual.  Even when there is a difference of opinion it seems to be much more cerebral than the other conservative blogs I lurk on. 

I wonder why that is..../rhetorical question.



Friends don't let friends persecute immigrants. (jsrutstein - 10/17/2007 6:15:45 PM)
Dear Abby,

how can I tell someone that his friends don't appreciate having their choice of ideological labels being called a matter of fashion?  Is it even worth trying when this person has convinced himself that having a conscience is a bad habit that one should quit?

Sincerely,

Bewildered in Burke



Dear Just In a Rutstein, (HisRoc - 10/17/2007 6:41:30 PM)
No, you cannot tell someone that you don't appreciate your dogmatic self-labeling being considered a matter of fashion when you insist on taking personal responsibility for cosmic matters that you never had any influence upon.  Consider the issue of slavery in America.  Do you know anyone in your family who owned slaves?  Would you have accepted it if you had lived back then?  Would you have been an abolistionist if you had lived in the 19th Century?  Do you have a conscience today towards those social issues that you can affect?  Well, then wake up and smell the coffee and stop lashing yourself with a wet noodle!

Abby

P. S. Key writing.  I'm enjoying this, although the "calling out a racist" thing pissed me off more than a little.



P. P. S. That's "Keep" Writing (HisRoc - 10/17/2007 6:42:39 PM)


the ultimate pen (jsrutstein - 10/17/2007 6:52:25 PM)
I guess I'll hold off on asking you to sign my petition in favor of reparations for slavery.  I apologize again for offending you.  I never intended to call you a racist, nor did I in fact (at least I don't think I did).  My point throughout was to communicate that if one doesn't want to be associated with racists, one shouldn't associate with racists.  I'm actually not enjoying this; so, this'll be my last reply. 


Hey, Don't Go! I'll Sign Your Petition for Reparations... (HisRoc - 10/17/2007 7:02:58 PM)
just as long as I get my cut.  I read an article recently that an overwhelming number of Americans are estimated to have African markers in their DNA.  They haven't decided yet whether this is because of the fact that Europeans descended from people who migrated out of Africa or if it is because of hanky-panky during the ante-bellum era of America.  Whatever, as long as the reparations are based on DNA, I'll take my cut.


Damn. I'm Sorry That You Have Batmobiled on Us, jsrutstein... (HisRoc - 10/17/2007 10:08:57 PM)
...I even apologize for calling you Just In A Rutstein, even though that didn't come close to being called a racist.  On that point, you should understand that associations are like beauty--they are in the eye of the beholder.  If you associate someone who holds an opinion vaguely similar to that of racists as a racist, then that is your problem and not mine.  I have no association with racists.  The linkage exists only in your prejudiced mind-set.

Let me put it this way:  if anyone who is opposed to illegal immigration is a racist by association, then the ICE is a racist organization.  Further, appropriate sections of Title 10 of the US Code are racist laws passed by a racist Congress.

Has Jim Webb been briefed on this?



common ground (jsrutstein - 10/18/2007 6:38:16 AM)
I think I know how we got off on the wrong track.  I was (and still am) upset about the developments in PWC.  I think it was a truly evil confluence of racists and GOP politicians desperate for an issue.  I chose to direct my anger at anyone and everyone who did anything other than strenuously oppose the actions of the PWC Board.  That was wrong.  Clearly, pushing people's buttons by using words like racist when those people are merely less upset about the actions of real racists than I am was a very unproductive way to make progress.  Today's Post has a pretty good article on how little the funding provided for enforcing the resolution will actually accomplish.  The article also describes how much damage the actions of the PWC Board have already caused, mostly in the nature of stirring up fear and hatred.  Parents are withholding their kids from school.  People will be less inclined to report being victims of crime to the police.  People will be less inclined to seek appropriate medical attention.  Many proponents of the Board's actions don't want people to suffer; they just want them to go somewhere else.  I think that's still morally wrong.  Some proponents of the Board's actions are racists who don't care if people who don't look or speak like them suffer.  The suffering will get worse.  Expectations have been raised that whatever dissatisfaction caused average non-racist residents to support the Board's actions will start to diminish because of the Board's actions.  I don't think this will happen.  I hope that the average non-racist resident isn't fooled into thinking pouring more money into the "crack down" is the way to go.  Peace.


Welcome Back (HisRoc - 10/18/2007 5:34:12 PM)
Are all eight members of the PWC BOCS Republicans?  I didn't know that you could do that.  Where is the two-party system in PWC?  If the voters there don't clean up their act, we might have to divert the Rappahannock River and move PWC into Alabama.
:)


Help Save Manassas hasn't realized that this isn't a victory. (pol - 10/17/2007 8:37:55 AM)
I read the Post article, and there really isn't any "there" there.  Not only did the BOCS not fund the resolution, they attempted to actually be fair in the process.

I think the supervisors had already reached consensus before the meeting began yesterday afternoon, as well.  In retrospect, the 6-2 vote defeating the limit of citizens' time to one minute was a signal to Corey that since he'd invited the entire county to the party, he needed to be polite and listen to what his guests had to say.

The resolution doesn't seem to have any teeth other than denial of a few services that we're not sure were being used anyway.

Illegals still get emergency care and education because that's federal law, and they won't get Medicare or food stamps, but they never did, legally.

There won't be any immigration sweeps or checkpoints, and unless I missed it, I didn't see anything about going after landlords of overcrowded rental houses.

They will address businesses who hire illegals through business licensing.

They're calling for a public education program aimed at ethnic and immigrant communities and for the county to work with a university or consultant to study the fairness of the resolution(HSM will really like those.).

There will be a Criminal Alien Unit to work with federal immigration agents.

Finally, they committed only $325,000 to fund the measure at this point.

This was all smoke and mirror -- a way of telling constituents "We did something about illegal immigration" without really doing anything at all.

I think those against the resolution actually won.



I respectfully disagree (JScott - 10/17/2007 12:22:01 PM)
I respectfully disgree that the vote was a victory for those who oppose any crackdown on illegals. Why? Because this is the beginning of what will be a long long fight. Look at history people. This is how the whole issue of states rights came about remember? When the federal government refuses to take resposibility for what is clearly their responsibility the states and localities are left with what we have now. The PWC vote now stands as a message to other counties like my own who were watching closely. This matter is not resolved by any means. They will have to fund it but what strikes me as amazing is why is it very few people are talking about why it is the counties cannot fund it. Is it because they are over burdened with unreimbursed services provided in the first place? I do not the particulars of PWC but in Chesterfield its like 3 million a year. I imagine given the larger immigrant population in PWC it is much more there than here. This is the beginning of something bigger than many of us think. Again review our history when we feel the Feds are incapable of solutions in an area.


This allegation that they are costing us money (Doug in Mount Vernon - 10/17/2007 4:28:05 PM)
at the local level is absolute bullshit.  Look at the actual numbers that counties, let alone the state and federal governments are coming up with.  After the blowhard Supervisor Delgaudio in Loudoun tossed out complete fabrications of $20M dollars, we are told by the professionals running the government that it was actually more like, at a maximum, $1.2M.  What a joke.

The fact is, this people sustain economic activity in this country, that if lost, would cripple us all economically.

The Social Security windfall they are providing to the federal government, which they will never see as non-citizens, is estimated to be in the ballpark of $36B (that's BILLION) per year!

They are not COSTING us money.  They are valuable and CONTRIBUTING hard-working people, nearly 100% of them.

Far more leacherous and destabilizing on our economy are poor white people who are collecting welfare and dropping out of high schools at alarming rates in some parts of the country.  Even the working poor who make less than $20-25K per year are going to consume far more in government services than they will pay in taxes.  Shall we cut off their access to services too?  Some of these people actually would want that, I have no doubt.

Fair is fair.  There are problems.  The ways that people are going about trying to tackle them are at best, misguided, at worst, catastrophic economically, socially, and morally.



with all due respect (JScott - 10/17/2007 4:57:25 PM)
Doug with all do respect you are wrong. A recent study in my county has concluded that illegals are costing tax payers to the tune of over 2 million and with the new census coming it is predicted it will be closer the three million.  being "fair" starts with looking at the impacts first and not the ideological positons that people are taking on this issue. Lets look at the impacts and go from there. Some of your points certainly need refinement. This country has an ever increasing population of illegal gangs like M13 that sorry to say do NOT contribute to our local economies, we are force to create dedicated task forces to handle them (at tax payer expenses I mgiht add). This is just one example of your nearly "100%" not be accurate. Look at Cailifornia's inmate population. Who is flipping that bill of incarceration? You have to study all the impacts on services that the tax dollar goes to before you make statements that illegals do not cost tax payers money. What they cost is our ability to use what tax revenues we have for the services we should be addressing, like our roads my friend. We should be looking at things like the costs in a year of having illegals in jail awaiting hearings or those serving time versus things like the amount the State provides counties for roads. The costs associated with these illegals would be beter spent elsewhere in our local economies or creation of more funding for job placement services would it not?


"A Vote of Unanimous Cowardice" (Lowell - 10/17/2007 1:04:54 PM)
That's what Marc Fisher calls last night's vote, "creating policy that will frighten many, salve a few and accomplish nothing."  Can't disagree with that.


The one thing it may accomplish (Barbara - 10/17/2007 2:23:32 PM)
... (sadly, for those of us in PWC) is four years of Corey Stewart.  And none of the Supervisors are seriously challenged so it will likely be the same bunch all the way around.

I attened this circus for a couple hours yesterday.  The man of the hour (1-2pm) leading up to the meeting was clearly Greg L, who was busy handing our red stickers and giving interviews.  Just before 2pm Mr. Stewart walked in with a broad smile.  (I was surprised he left his crown at home.)  Nevermind; people clapped and called his name and he looked quite confident.  I was hopeful when the meeting began with Maureen Caddigan challenging his one minute rule, but I should have known better.

That said, it doesn't do your cause much good when one of your speakers tells the Board to "Kiss My Ass"; the remark was apparently for Mr. Stewart who had left the room to do an interview with CNN.

Sad.



Whoops (Barbara - 10/17/2007 4:16:50 PM)
Meant to say handing OUT red stickers (not our red stickers). 


The Fact is--it's not money they care about (Doug in Mount Vernon - 10/17/2007 4:36:47 PM)
Look at this simple fact.

The resolution, when fully funded, will cost the PWC taxpayers $14.2 M in total.  Mostly the cost of FTEs in law enforcement to deport criminals who are here illegally.

Great.

What are they saving?

Well, aside from the obvious that they will remove criminals (something that should already be happening), they are going to be saving a little bit on drug counseling, senior services, and apparently, on issuing business licenses after checking for e-verify compliance (sounds more like another COST actually).

What is the dollar amount that may actually be saved?  THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW because the Supervisors didn't BOTHER to look into how many illegal aliens are using those services, in fact.

I can tell you right now, it ain't many, and looking at that list of "cut services" your talkin' chump change compared to the $14.2 M they're now SPENDING on this, alone.

THIS IS ABOUT HATING AND MAKING NEW AMERICANS FEEL UNWELCOME, PEOPLE.

Don't let them bash you for insisting on the truth--that hatred, bigotry, and xenophobia are at the root of this movement.

That doesn't mean there are not legitimate problems here. But don't let them off the hook when the fiery speakers against illegal immigration tell you, "this isn't about hate".

I call bullshit on that one.



THIS IS ABOUT HATING AND MAKING NEW AMERICANS FEEL UNWELCOME, PEOPLE. (pol - 10/17/2007 4:50:59 PM)
Amen, brother.


calling BS (JScott - 10/17/2007 5:03:04 PM)
They are "illegals". No illegal is a real "American" if in the context you were implying US citizen so please give us all a break on the rhetoric for the disenfranchised. We obiviously need to be concerned with who they "feel" but of course the groups at your meeting are the poster children for assimilation? Not.


more concern (JScott - 10/17/2007 5:00:44 PM)
and I would have thought you would be more concerned with your proffers going to 53K a lot in PWC???


Doug, I respectfully disagree... (snolan - 10/18/2007 1:11:15 PM)
It is not about hating (at least not for the BOCS, perhaps it is for Greg L and the other slime).  It's all about getting re-elected in three weeks... hopefully it failed, miserably.

Go Sharon Pandak.

Go Corey Riley.



Maryland university president clubs hispanic man... (vote-left - 10/18/2007 1:13:39 AM)

Janet Dudley-Eshbach, the president of Salisbury University in Maryland [...]

[...] had a photo on her [Facebook] profile showing her pointing a stick toward her daughter and a Hispanic man with a caption saying she had to "beat off Mexicans because they were constantly flirting with my daughter."

A caption accompanying a photo of a tapir referred to the large size of the animal's genitalia.

Link

If you want to whine about racism, the article and photo above depicts racism.  Enforcing the law is not racism.  If we do not enforce immigration laws, why enforce traffic laws?  Why enforce hunting laws?  Why prosecute bank robbers?  Or, murderers?  Hell, Bush thinks the Constitution is nothing but a "goddamn piece of paper."  We can simply do away with all laws and have anarchy.

In fact, James Walsh, a former INS lawyer, says we already are in anarchy:

"[...] Californians for Population Stabilization released a study claiming there are 20 million to 38 million illegal immigrants in America, not the 12 million the federal government says.

Immigration is in a state of anarchy," organization member James Walsh, a former Immigration and Naturalization Service lawyer, fervently told the room. "Not chaos, anarchy."

Link