Webb Statement on his "Dwell Time" Amendment

By: Lowell
Published On: 9/20/2007 12:37:10 PM

"I regret that my amendment to protect the well-being of our troops and their families, which received a clear majority of 56 votes in the Senate, did not reach the number of votes to break a Republican filibuster.

"In the past two weeks we have learned a great deal about the intentions of the Republican Party as it relates to the war in Iraq. 


"From the testimony of Ambassador Crocker and General Petraeus, we learned two things:  first, that there have been few political or diplomatic gains due to the increased military activities of the so-called 'surge,' and second that the intended troop levels in Iraq after the 'surge' is completed will be the same troop levels that existed before the 'surge' began - more than 131,000 American troops. 

"From the President's speech, and from the statements of key Republicans such as the Senate Minority Leader, we have learned that the Republican Party is now openly advocating a permanent U.S. presence in Iraq that could continue for at least the next 50 years.  I personally warned against this prospect five years ago in a Washington Post editorial, stating that those who were advocating this invasion had no exit strategy, because they did not intend for the United States to leave.

"From the vote on my modest amendment, which was designed with the sole intention of guaranteeing that our military men and women are able to spend at least as much time away from Iraq as they spend in Iraq, we have learned that the Administration and its congressional allies do not consider the present stress on our operating units to be of significant consequence.

"We have done our best to attempt to put a reasonable operational policy, a safety net for our service members, into place as these other complex political and diplomatic issues are being debated.  The Republican filibuster prevented us from doing so.  It is now up to the Administration and its congressional allies to demonstrate the kind of compassionate, visionary leadership that might be equal to the standards we constantly set for our military men and women."


Comments



Such a shame (Alicia - 9/20/2007 1:19:42 PM)
that this didn't pass.

And what the hell with Warner??



We should demand that Dems bring Webb bill back (Nell - 9/20/2007 1:56:02 PM)
and force the Republicans to filibuster it for real.  The media is being allowed to get away with blandly stating that bills "require 60 votes to pass" without ever mentioning why that's true: Republican obstruction.

Please read this Digby post for more on that.

Webb led; he handled the GOP talking points masterfully during the debate outside and inside the Senate.  We and the Democratic Party should have his back and make this a real fight.  I don't want anyone to be in a position to say this was all theater to make a political point: We want the troops to have more time between deployments.  If that doesn't happen, we're going to push the Army and Marines way past the breaking point.

This business of putting bills out, falling short of 60 votes, and then meekly going on to the next item must stop.  And the Webb bill is the perfect opportunity to break out of that box.

Dianne says in another diary on this: "Democrats: don't let this go."  I couldn't agree more, but we have to do more than talk about how awful the Republcans are for doing this.  We have to push the Democratic leadership not to let this go, by forcing a real filibuster.

Tell Harry Reid not to let this go:
Phone: 202-224-3542
Fax: 202-224-7327
email via web: http://reid.senate.g...



pull the appropriations bill now... (lgb30856 - 9/20/2007 2:28:48 PM)
the money for the troops is in the pentagon budget.

thank you jim.



and the other votes ... (Greg Kane - 9/20/2007 4:43:37 PM)
just so we are all clear on how Virginia's two Senators voted on 2 other bills today:

Both voted in favor of the Republican political vote to bash MoveOn.org, and

both voted against the Feingold-Reid amendment to get out of Iraq by June of next year.

Now at the end of the day it doesn't make any difference because Bush would have vetoed anything Feingold had anything to do with. Since they can't get 60 votes, they can't come close to an override.

What is important is in Jan of 2009 when we have more Democrats in both houses and a vote comes up to end the war. How will Webb vote and how will Mark Warner vote? Will we have enough votes to get out of Iraq or will Bush have won?



Wes Clark on the Petraeus ad (Lowell - 9/20/2007 5:02:39 PM)
This is very interesting. 


Clark's the man (Catzmaw - 9/20/2007 11:48:28 PM)
I've been annoyed at MoveOn also about their ad.  It was a stupid blunder, preaching to the choir and alienating the people MoveOn should be trying to reach.  It was self-indulgent.


I unsubscribed to the Move-on emails (Pain - 9/21/2007 8:58:36 AM)
They should be working *for* us, not *against* us.  I want no part of their frat boy hi jinx.  I can picture in my minds eye Beavis and Butthead sitting around saying "Petraeus, BETRAY US".  Heh.  Heheh. Hehehehehee.


Just curious, what do you think (Lowell - 9/21/2007 9:04:13 AM)
of this.  Thanks.


What? (Pain - 9/21/2007 12:28:55 PM)
What do I think of the attention being placed on move-on and not the defeat of Feingold-Reid?  Or, what do I think of the fact that only 28 democrats voted for it?

I think republicans will latch onto to anything to divert attention away from their own sorry positions and performance, ala 'stuck in Iraq'.  And, I'm not sure I would agree to vote to de-fund the war save funding for complete withdrawal.  On this one, I'm going to defer to Mr. Webb and think he's probably got more incite into this than I.

Is that what you asked, or something else?



I'm curious what you think of that diary (Lowell - 9/21/2007 12:40:09 PM)
since it received so many comments (mostly positive) on Daily Kos.  For instance, the diarist writes:

Judging from the Netroots reaction, apparently the Netroots feels that it's more important to pander to the Netroots and avoid hurting Moveon's feelings than it is to end the Iraq debacle.

If that be the case, why should people take the Netroots seriously?

Wake up.

Newsflash, geniuses:

The Cornyn Amendment was a DISTRACTION to divert attention from efforts to end the war.

And you saps fell for it.

That's what I'm asking about, just trying to get a discussion going...



I agree. (Pain - 9/21/2007 1:50:13 PM)
I agree that the Cornyn amendment *was* a distration.  That's typical republican shell game tactics, isn't it?

I also think that it was a terrible blunder on Moveons part.  I get so tired of these stunts from both sides, but I also understand that you have to fight fire with fire sometimes and we've been taking on the chin for a long time. 

I just think that ad could have been handled a little bit better, but hey, I'm not a political strategist and perhaps it will have positive results in a way I have yet to see.

As for the diary specifically, like I said, I don't think an immediate withdraw is a good idea, but I would like to see some redeployment and more pressure put on Iraqis to step up to the plate.  All senators should be screaming in the media about how blocking the Webb ammendment that the republicans refuse to support the troops.



Actually, I think this ad was very good for MoveOn (Lowell - 9/21/2007 1:54:16 PM)
but as far as getting us out of Iraq, or helping Democrats win elections...uh, don't think so.


Half a Million Dollars (DemVet - 9/21/2007 2:33:51 PM)
My understanding is that MoveOn brought in half a million dollars yesterday.  And they certainly stirred up a lot of emotion with their online petition. 



Anger Focus Of The Month (norman swingvoter - 9/21/2007 11:51:10 AM)
I think that MoveOn's ad was a LITTLE over the top myself.  However, compared to stuff put out by bush-cheney and the republican party, it barely makes the scale.  Every month bush-cheney and fox news have to give their hardcore supporters someone to focus their anger on.  Gays, mainstream media, liberals, illegal immigrants, Michael Moore, etc. - it never ends.  If it hadn't been MoveOn, it would have been someone else.


Petraeus/Betray Us (j_wyatt - 9/21/2007 6:51:13 PM)
And Anne Coulter, and others of her ilk, constantly refer to Obama as B. Hussein Obama.  Where's the outrage?  And hasn't she referred to Hillary's legs?  The Faux News guys enthusiastically trilled Teresa Heinz Kerry's first name to constantly emphasize that she was foreign born.  And how many Americans who opposed invading Iraq for profoundly patriotic reasons -- and have since been proven right -- have been called a traitor?  Remember all those sardonic offers of free rides to the ports of embarkation?  On and on and on ...

So why is a very political general immune from this kind of trash talking? 

In a country where mocking the military, and especially the pomposity of beribboned officers -- from Mauldin to Beetle Bailey to Sgt. Bilko -- was once a staple of popular cultural, we're now reduced to abject bootlicking.  Perhaps it was because, back then, a majority of Americans had first hand experience of the foolishness, mind numbing bureaucracy, kafkaesque surrealism and an officer corps replete with 90 day wonders and the American version of Colonel Blimp.  Now, very few have been inside the Army and, perhaps not coincidentally, they're all treated as gods of war who must be worshipped.  Well, and this may be shocking news for lots of folks, they're not gods. 



Webb on Petraeus/Betray Us (j_wyatt - 9/21/2007 8:25:08 PM)
For the delicate souls like soccerdem so offended by Jim Webb's censure of the moveon.org ad, he is -- and it's telling that this has to be pointed out to those who assumed he was going to be some kind of revolutionary -- who he is.  Annapolis, Marines, Vietnam, Navy Cross, Navy Secretary, author and screenwriter on military subjects -- what about his life would make anyone but the most naive assume that this fine man with an old-fashioned sense of honor could countenance a distasteful headline that suggests a four star general might sell out his country?  Senator Webb has demonstrated in his behind-closed-doors meetings with Secretary Rice that much more can be accomplished by appealing one-on-one to people's smarts and patriotism and concern about their own place in the history books than by joining attempts to publicly browbeat and humiliate them.  Given who he is, Senator Webb might have a lot more success in 'turning' General Petraeus mano y mano over, say, a bottle of Wild Turkey.


Jim Webb (DemVet - 9/21/2007 8:44:29 PM)
Jim Webb publicly condemned the Swift Boat Ads against John Kerry. He did this in spite of his 20 year feud with John Kerry.  He did this before he had even come over to our side. Jim Webb ran a campaign against the politics of Karl Rove that have focused on personal attacks on people's character.  He opposes such things very strongly. If Jim Webb had voted against this resolution I think it would have been hard for him to sleep at night. 



Mark Sheilds was a marine (Lowell - 9/21/2007 8:46:26 PM)
and he also condemned the MoveOn ad.  Maybe it's a Marine thing?