Two of Bob Marshall's most addle-brained, inhumane, and outright bigoted bills died well-deserved deaths in committee yesterday, the Times Dispatch Reports.
Legislation to prohibit unmarried women from getting pregnant by in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination or other assisted reproductive methods was rejected yesterday by a House committee.The turndown by the Health Welfare and Institutions Committee was swift.
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Marshall's other defeated bill would have required doctors who perform abortions in Virginia to reside in the state and to have admitting privileges at a Virginia hospital.
An official with the Virginia Department of Health Professions said there are no residency rules for doctors to be licensed in the state and that the bill would single out a specific type of provider. Some doctors, for instance, live near state borders and have licenses to practice in bordering states.
These bills were reviewed and summarily defeated without debate.
The in vitro bill would have had innumerable, bizarre consequences. For example, if a soldier were killed in Iraq, the bill would have made it illegal for his widow to be artificially inseminated with his pre-donated sperm. This bill in particular was a misguided attempt to moralize from the legislature. While there is evidence that shows benefits for children raised in dual-parent families, Marshall's misguided logic jumps to the conclusion that single-parenthood should be outlawed.
We have two more years of Bob Marshall. In 2007, Virginians of good conscience must defeat him at the voting booth.
Until 2007, Bob Marshall must be exposed and defeated whenever possible. His incompetent logic and paranoid fear threatens to put police in the bedroom and enforce misguided moralization upon the hard working men and women of the Commonwealth. This isn't morality, this is maddness.
Take a deep breath, Bob.
No more coffee for you.
His wife (if he has one) has the best birth control ever - him as a partner!
There is a host of other legislation this wack job has introduced this session.
Josh, you are very correct, this is not morality it is madness! This guy has got to go in '07.
It's strange that Virginia has so many of them!
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=f47b00b3-9b6f-4b82-acc2-ed4eda949b62
Doesn't Jerry Kilgore have ANYTHING POSITIVE TO RUN ON!?!
How quintessentially perfect is this? We have a topic of FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, an area that Jerry W. Kilgore doesn't understand well enough to scratch his butt with, and you, in true Kilgore fashion turn it in to a dodge and weave ham-fisted attempt to score salacious points on an entirely separate issue.
Well, ok, I?ll humor you "Four Real". You want a list? Here's a list:
Jerry Kilgore said that people whose faith say the death penalty is wrong or those who have represented death penalty cases aren?t ?entitled? to serve as governor. Here is a list of people who aren?t fit to govern, under Jerry Kilgore?s definition:? Governor Jeb Bush (R), Florida - Roman Catholic - carried out 17 executions:
?Jeb Bush supports the death penalty, but still offers the following: ?I take advice from the leader of my church very seriously,? Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida said at a press conference the afternoon before the Mass. ?I also have a duty to uphold the laws of the state. I don?t believe this necessarily has to be in conflict,? he said.? [Catholic News Service, 4/24/05]? Governor Michael Easley, (D), North Carolina - Roman Catholic - carried out 20 executions
? Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, (R), California - Roman Catholic - carried out 1 execution
? Senator Rick Santorum, (R), Pennsylvania - Opposes the Death Penalty
? Senator Sam Brownback, (R), Kansas - Opposes the Death Penalty
? Kilgore Donor, Attorney Ken Starr, (R) - volunteered to represent Virginia death row inmate Robin Lovitt?s appeal
? Chief Justice John Roberts - assisted in the appeal of a death row inmateJerry Kilgore: Can?t be Trusted on the Death Penalty.
Jerry Kilgore: Can?t be Trusted as Governor.
Your argument seems to be that because Tim Kaine has an opinion of his own he's not trustworthy. Or is it that because Tim Kaine is a Christian? Are Christians unworthy of trust? Are Christians unworthy of public service?
Maybe if your candidate had a record worthy of supporting we wouldn't have to live our lives talking about Hitler, your blatant anti-constitution, anti-Christian red herring.
Go pedal crazy somewhere else. This is America, we like our elected officials to be reasonable leaders with records of results, not half-baked grandstanding fear mongers afraid to face the public.
Tim Kaine Is The First Major Party, Gubernatorial Candidate To Oppose The Death Penalty Since Capital Punishment Was Reinstated In 1976
* Democrat Gov. Mark Warner (2002-2006) Supported The Death Penalty. "And when Richmond Mayor Timothy M. Kaine, the Democratic nominee for lieutenant governor, said he supported a moratorium on the death penalty, Warner stepped forward to say: I disagree. I believe we need to make sure that the death penalty is carried out fairly. But I believe at this point there is not undue bias.'" (Craig Timberg, "A United and Divided Front; Va. Democrats Differ on Guns, Death Penalty, but Point to Core Agreement," The Washington Post, 6/14/01)
* Republican Gov. Jim Gilmore (1998-2002) Supported The Death Penalty. "He was relentless in his defense of the death penalty. He drafted new state laws that sharply limit the time during which inmates can bring death-penalty habeas corpus petitions." (Garrett Epps, "The Outsider," The Washington Post, 8/15/99)
* Republican Gov. George Allen (1994-1998) Supported The Death Penalty. "Five killers are scheduled for execution in Virginia during December, the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported yesterday. The backlog is the result of chance as well as changes that have speeded up the court appeals process, according to Virginia Gov. George Allen, who has allowed 11 executions to proceed in Virginia this year and commuted one death sentence. I'm for the death penalty in appropriate cases,' the governor said." (Donald P. Baker, "Va. To Execute 5," Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/1/96)
* Democrat Gov. L. Douglas Wilder (1990-1994) Supported The Death Penalty. "He talks about preserving the state's right-to-work law and imposing the death penalty on drug dealers." (Michael Oreskes, "A Black Candidate In Virginia Runs For Office, Not History," The New York Times, 11/2/89)
* Democrat Gov. Gerald L. Baliles (1986-1990) Supported The Death Penalty. "Tonight's execution was the fifth in the state since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, and the first in the administration of Baliles, who campaigned as a proponent of capital punishment." (Donald P. Baker, "Va. Killer Executed As Appeals Fail," The Washington Post, 7/31/86)
* Democrat Gov. Charles S. Robb (1982-1986) Supported The Death Penalty. "Robb repeated that there are certain types of crimes for which I simply feel there is no adequate alternative' to the death penalty." (Tom Sherwood, "Robb: Final Judge on Life, Death," The Washington Post, 5/9/85)
* Republican Gov. John Dalton (1978-1982) Supported The Death Penalty. "Paul G. Edwards, Gov. John N. Dalton's press secretary, said yesterday that Dalton supports the death penalty but would consider any request for clemency on the merits of each case.'" (Stephen J. Lynton, "Death Penalty Left In Place For Virginia Prisoner," The Washington Post, 6/5/79)
* Republican Gov. Mills Godwin (1974-1978) Supported The Death Penalty. "In addition to the mandatory sentencing bills, Godwin signed a measure that legislators have said will make Virginia's death penalty conform to recent Supreme Court rulings and one that adds killing a police officer performing his duties to the four other crimes that are punishable by death in the state." (Bill McAllister, "Bills On Criminal Sentences Signed By Gov. Godwin," The Washington Post, 3/30/77)
While Tim Kaine Has A Record of Activism Against the Death Penalty ...
EIGHT Governors--Democrat & Republican--Over THIRTY-ONE Years--All Strongly Supported The Death Penalty!
I see real opportunity for Kaine in the Hispanic Community. Where Kilgore is getting a fat 65% of the vote. If anyone has ever been a friend to Hispanic Voter's it's Tim "Christian Missionary in Central America" Kaine. If there's ever been an enemy of hsipanic voters it Jerry W. "nativist" Kilgore.
Talk about an opportunity! Tim, baby, run an ad in spanish on VA Telemundo in your own words, man! get with the program!
Positive Passion! Keep on fighting for the good guys.
Kaine
Bolling
Deeds
Waddell
Very exciting stuff!
I think it's a great clip, too.
I'm not an expert in such things, but I believe that "Money" by Pink Floyd was released before 1975 and thus the copyright protections may have expired. If "Money" is in the public domain now, as Karl Rove would say, "it's fair game".
I'm concerned that you may have crossed a line here.
Does anyone besides me feel like they should be watching the Wizard of Oz anytime they hear a song from Dark Side?
According to http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html:
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Under the law in effect before 1978, copyright was secured either on the date a work was published with a copyright notice or on the date of registration if the work was registered in unpublished form. In either case, the copyright endured for a first term of 28 years from the date it was secured. During the last (28th) year of the first term, the copyright was eligible for renewal. The Copyright Act of 1976 extended the renewal term from 28 to 47 years for copyrights that were subsisting on January 1, 1978, or for pre-1978 copyrights restored under the Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA), making these works eligible for a total term of protection of 75 years. Public Law 105-298, enacted on October 27, 1998, further extended the renewal term of copyrights still subsisting on that date by an additional 20 years, providing for a renewal term of 67 years and a total term of protection of 95 years.
Public Law 102-307, enacted on June 26, 1992, amended the 1976 Copyright Act to provide for automatic renewal of the term of copyrights secured between January 1, 1964, and December 31, 1977. Although the renewal term is automatically provided, the Copyright Office does not issue a renewal certificate for these works unless a renewal application and fee are received and registered in the Copyright Office.
Public Law 102-307 makes renewal registration optional. Thus, filing for renewal registration is no longer required in order to extend the original 28-year copyright term to the full 95 years. However, some benefits accrue from making a renewal registration during the 28th year of the original term.
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"Money" was originally copyrighted in the US in 1973, meaning that under present law, its copyright protections will expire in 2068.
Whining hypocrites -- UNITE!
I don't recall seeing similar outrage from you, Steve, at the incessant attacks on Kilgore from all your crybaby brethren... the accent, etc. THOSE were personal attacks.
I'm actually glad to see that Warner has changed his mind and decided to help out in Kaine's losing effort. Heaven only knows what Kaine had to do to get Mark back in it. It will weaken Warner that much more after Nov. 8.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/national/20virginia.html
"In recent days, Mr. [Mark] Warner has stepped up his campaigning with Mr. Kaine. As Mr. Warner stumps across the state...
...At a news conference with Mr. Kaine on Monday at a commuter rail station, Mr. Warner accused Mr. Kilgore of a "promise anything and we'll worry about how we pay for it later" approach to governing."
Good Day, Mr. Rat.
The accent attacks on Kilgore do anger me. I AM mad people are doing that. I have asked numerous people to stop, but they won't because they don't have a reason to. Maybe we can compromise, you convince your folks not to make fun of Kaine's eyebrow and i'll convince mine not to make fun of Kilgore's voice. I'd do that in a heartbeat.
But i know you won't, because negative attacks are all the Kilgore camp has. Where are the Kilgore plans for Virginia? Why doesn't he talk about them?
I don't mind when people disagree with ideas, in fact i love that. But outright lying for political gain is despicable and UnAmerican. If you were involved in spreading the lie on your blog about Warner, post a retraction. Write an apology. Do something, it's making your party look terrible.
Walt Ball Says:
October 20th, 2005 at 2:14 am
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October 20th, 2005 at 2:17 am
It's only going to get worse as the desperation consumes the Kilgore campaign. It's going to be a long three weeks.
Wow, are you ever in denial.
You want solid sources? I just received an email from the Kaine2005.com site not 10 minutes ago that said this:
"Just this Monday, Tim and Governor Warner were greeted by great crowds in Leesburg and Woodbridge. Today they're visiting supporters in Bristol, Galax, Roanoke and Martinsville."
The headliner: GOVERNOR MARK WARNER
So what's this again about Warner "pulling the plug?" Why would someone who is "not supporting" Kaine headline a fundraising reception for Kaine?
Backfired again, boys. Just like the death penalty ads.
It makes you wonder what laughable ploy they'll come up with next.
BUT THIS! This is just unbelievable! Forget twisting words, they went so far as to just make something up out of thin air!! The Republican party has become so dirty in the last couple years. How can anyone willingly associate themselves with it?
When Kilgore has something interesting to say maybe we'd stop being defensive and have an actual discussion. Like that's ever going to happen.
PS Gotta confirm that whole "corrupt scumbag" thing, by the way. Ha ha.
That's not why I'm involved in politics, but I suppose that's why I'm Mary and not Chad.
What else do so called intelligent people need to see, to determine what type of folks your associating with.
I sure wouldn't want to share a foxhole with them.
Does Jerry W. Kilgore eat children?
When did Jerry W. Kilgore join the KKK?
Is Jerry W. Kilgore an illegal immigrant?
How often does Jerry W. Kilgore masterbate in public?
Was Jerry W. Kilgore abducted by aliens? Did he receive an anal probe?
How did Jerry W. Kilgore escape indictment on gun running charges?
Does Jerry W. Kilgore hate apple pie?
How much drug money did Jerry W. Kilgore invest with Saddam Hussein?
When Jerry W. Kilgore talks to satan, does satan listen?
and finally...
Jerry W. Kilgore male or female?
just a little foreshadowing for you there, Rat. So, now you know what to expect.
I do agree with Lowell & Josh about the question mark thing though. Great comments - you all have it covered.
Two for the good guys and nada for the RAT.
The National GOP is desperate for some good news and they are going to pull out all the stops to steal this election. We now have three allegations of serious fraud in this election: push polls, voter registration manipulation, and now Media manipulation.
This is only going to get worse in the next 3 weeks.
Rat, I honestly don't care if we step on some toes. Will was manipulated, Chad picked up the story and repeated it. My little barb was nothing compared to the egregeous harm that could have been caused if these radical conservative sleezemeisters had succeeded in creating the widespread, illusury, perception of a split between Kaine and Warner.
Warner is the best thing to happen to Virginia in my lifetime, and Kaine was with him every step of the way. As we've watched the excesses, failures and corruption of the National GOP lay waste to this nation, Virginia has been a haven of governmental sanity.
Virginia's most popular liar, Jerry W. Kilgore has shown himself devoid of either the strength or character to lead this commonwealth.
No matter what dirty tricks the radical conservatives pull, Virginia needs to keep movming forward and on November 8 we will elect Tim Kaine Governor to do just that.
Yeah, right, promoting lies, spreading inuendo and baiting people with "caption contests" isn't attacking people "and/or their families." Regardless, we can't be bothered.
The point here is that in this case, Chad's post was wrong to the point of extreme laughability. Chad doesn't need Raising Kaine to look bad in this case (heck, this is getting joked about in all the progressive blogs). But please take a little advice: sustaining the argument here doesn't help Chad either. Ultimately, your remarks just prompt more entertainment at Chad's expense.
So, Rat--it kind of has me wondering--could you possibly be a Democratic operative trying to make Chad and the RPV look even more foolish? Hmmm, interesting...
It's gonna be all Mark Warner, All the Time through Nov 8.
Yeah!
"Don't ask any questions." is about right, you've seen the debates, if you ask, all you'll get is some scripted plattitudes that mean nothing, promise less, and amount to something that will be forgotten whenever there's a buck to be made, a forest to be logged, a hillside to be stripmined, or a river to be polluted.
Here's a couple links for some more info:
http://www.raisingkaine.com/484
http://baconsrebellion.blogspot.com/2005_07_03_baconsrebellion_archive.html
I?m a 20-year resident of Loudoun and I have to say this about Leesburg Today. Loudoun is a Republican county (Warner and Kerry lost here). And as the former Communication Chairman of the local Democratic committee, I battled hard with this paper to get them to at least fairly and accurately report our Democratic positions. I?ve known the editor for many years (he and his wife and me and mine were in the same child-birth classes together 13-years old ago), and let me just say he knows the demographic of the majority of his readers. So, for this particular editorial to be coming from this paper is nothing short of amazing, and speaks volumes about Jerry Kilgore.
Congratulations to the citizen voters of Dover.
I was so thrilled to hear of the Dover loss. I just moved to PA from VA, and the last thing I want is for my kids to have to be told that it is science. I'm a convert to Catholicism, and I would love to see a comparative theology class in High Schools for various reasons, but I want science to stay science!
Terry Kilgore was up at my school today (even though its not in his district). Our principal said he was a handsome man, and she said it was the moustache...
And I thought to myself, "Well that's just distrubing. She can quote Kilgore commercials but has no idea who the Governor is..."
Terry Kilgore was up at my school today (even though its not in his district). Our principal said he was a handsome man, and she said it was the moustache...
And I thought to myself, "Well that's just distrubing. She can quote Kilgore commercials but has no idea who the Governor is..."
While whatever knowledge he has of Spanish may be impressive, I would not assume that he speaks perfect, grammatical Spanish of the type that a native speaker would.
I speak some French and have visited that country a number of times, but I am not a Frenchman.
As an Hispanic voter, do you believe that Tim Kaine would better represent your interests or understand your concerns than Jerry W. Kilgore? I had a discussion with an older hispanic gentleman a couple of weeks ago who saw Kilgore's immigration position as sickening and insulting. He said, "There's a point where it stops being politics and starts being racism."
Well, do you think the interests of hispanic voters will be represented by a candidate who is considered by some to be racist against hispanics?
My dream would be for every Virginian to know just how well Tim Kaine understands latino issues, and just how rotten the Kilgore grandstand is.
Just remember, I was the one who floated this idea, because the Clinton rhetoric seemed to easily parallel Kaine's experience. Is Kaine hispanic? no. Will he be remembered as "The First Hispanic Governor of Virginia"?
That'll be up to the Voters on November 8, and to Virginia's Latino community in the years after.
Josh - Yes, you stirred the pot, and though I disagree with your contentions, your post brings up larger issues:
Exactly what is exclusively a latino/black issue? Are there white issues? Can a minority candidate who is "culturally simpatico" with whites be deemed a white candidate?
RK is one of the few places that I've seen the "GOP is racist" tag hammered, mostly due to Scott Howell's history. This time around, it's the Dems who have stooped to making race an issue, not the GOP. Isn't there another way to reach voters beyond making race-based appeals?
-- Conaway
Conway, you're a good guy. Let's not turn this into something that it's not.
If, as you say, the "GOP is racist", it's a colorblind, economic, racism that seeks to empower those who have and weaken those who do not. There are a very few among the GOP of today who are willing to use race and ethnicity to heighten the divisive message. Kilgore has proven himself one of these, time and again.
Latinos have a leader they can believe in, in Tim Kaine, as do blacks, whites, men, women, aisians... Virginians.
The rich have a leader they can believe in in Jerry Kilgore. In Jerry Kilgore's Virginia, the rest of us can fend for ourselves.
In other words, the VAST majority of African Americans LOVED Bill Clinton and HATE George W. Bush. You can try to dismiss that all you want, but the numbers don't lie.
Kaine can reach hispanics, blacks, white, women, and all Virgnians, because he is great leader. Kaine offers us a track record of good strong leadership and sound decisions. That is what Virginia needs.
We need to continue the progress of the last four years by electing Tim Kaine for the next!
And yes, Toni Morrison did make the comment in public, but if you knew the AFAM literary market, you'd know that most black folks don't read her work despite her initial protestations that she was not writing for white folks. And her point was also that Clinton was facing similar political attacks as black faced - common bonds of struggle (a la Jews). But, I guess that you know the "VAST" majority of black folks, huh?
Bill Clinton was my president because I'm an AMERICAN, not because he liked black folks like me. Part of my raison d'etre (oh, do I get to be French now?) is to separate political affiliation with racial identity. The same line of reasoning also leads people to question the racial identity of a black conservative or Republican, or simply a black who doesn't tow the Dem party line.
No white man - EVER, Republican, Democrat, Green, Martian or otherwise - will be an *insert ethnicity here* politician. The notion that Bill Clinton was somehow a Black President was pushed by Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, the CBC, and a bunch of comics looking for laughs. Having rhythm, kissing black babies, and being dumped on by right-wingers is not nearly enough to be classified as Black, especially when you spend more time in the Hamptons than Harlem.
As a black man who voted for Clinton and Gore, your contention is prosposterous. Thanks for your help, but we minorities will be just fine without you telling us who our first anything will be. Lord knows that the Democratic leadership worked hard enough to keep Virginia from having the first and only elected Black lt. gov & governor, so you don't get to offer up fake ones. And if you can't understand why we'd be put off by this, then you obviously prove my point.
-- Conaway
I don't think Bill Clinton had a black grandmother, but if you've got the inside scoop on that one, dish!
Miers was pushed rather than jumped to her withdrawal. No one likes Bush these days other than the Far Right (Right=Wrong), and he needs those friends. Remember they are his political capital. He has a mandate! If not for them he would be clearing brush in Texas right now. So he chatted with Miers, and said ?it's getting hot in here, and since I am stuck in this kitchen for a few more years - I think you should leave.? So, she withdrew.
It is funny and sad to note that Falwell was quick to get a meeting with ROVE to discuss who he thinks should be nominated next. It is nice to know who determines the course of our country and courts for the next 25 years. Hmmmm? Just Scary!
Tomorrow's news is the end of women's reproductive rights in Virginia, if we don't get Kaine elected on November 8.
I bet we could make a killing selling black-market condoms. man, I wish I was kidding.
Miers was pushed rather than jumped to her withdrawal. No one likes Bush these days other than the Far Right (Right=Wrong), and he needs those friends. Remember they are his political capital. He has a mandate! If not for them he would be clearing brush in Texas right now. So he chatted with Miers, and said ?it's getting hot in here, and since I am stuck in this kitchen for a few more years - I think you should leave.? So, she withdrew.
It is funny and sad to note that Falwell was quick to get a meeting with ROVE to discuss who he thinks should be nominated next. It is nice to know who determines the course of our country and courts for the next 25 years. Hmmmm? Just Scary!
Are they going to help smuggle in contraceptives to VA for all of us now that they've started the circular firing squad on Tim Kaine?
Miers was pushed rather than jumped to her withdrawal. No one likes Bush these days other than the Far Right (Right=Wrong), and he needs those friends. Remember they are his political capital. He has a mandate! If not for them he would be clearing brush in Texas right now. So he chatted with Miers, and said ?it's getting hot in here, and since I am stuck in this kitchen for a few more years - I think you should leave.? So, she withdrew.
It is funny and sad to note that Falwell was quick to get a meeting with ROVE to discuss who he thinks should be nominated next. It is nice to know who determines the course of our country and courts for the next 25 years. Hmmmm? Just Scary!
Maybe i'm just missing something, but this is taking a philisophical approach instead of a problem/solution approach. Where are the cost benefit ratios? Where are the charts showing how much it'll cost? Where are the dollars going to come from? What programs will be cut to allow it to happen? Where are the numbers comparing overhead cost of a government program to privately run programs? There is just so much left out it's hard to take it seriously.
I personally think if the progressives want to push a universal healthcare program they should push a program designed specifically for kids. Kids shouldn't be subjected to poor health because their parents are too poor or too stupid to care about health. Again this is just a philisophical approach but whatever the dollar amount is of the 'single payer' program is, a kid only program will be a fraction of the cost.
Illionois just started a healthcare program for every child. Push this type of program across the country. Incremental advancements are the only way this will work. Figure out how to go from 45 million people without healthcare to 35 million.
Medicare is for elderly and Medicaid is for kids and poor people.
Medicare is widely known and widely, but few people know about MediCAID. If you go to a hospital and can't pay, you will still receive treatment. So 'technically' we don't have 45 million people without healthcare, we have 0 people. Technically we DO have universal healthcare. Well almost.
There are about 25 different categories that are covered by Medicaid but they generally fall into the following 5:
Pregnant women
Children and teenagers
People who are aged
People who are blind
People who are disabled
But poor people tend to also be uneducated they don't realize that they can get treatment.
If we had universal Medicare, how long would it take to propagate this knowledge to these 45 million people that apparently need it?
Do you agree that Americans should be allowed to drop dead or go bankrupt in whatever way suits them? Do you think that paying less for healthcare ADMINISTRATION and coordinating it in an intielligent way actually takes away people's freedom to get sick and die?
Under Mark Warner, Virginia covered 98% of children. It was one of the cornerstones of the administration's healthcare initiative.
But it's not just kids who suffer and die, Steve.
Where are the cost benefit ratios? Where are the charts showing how much it’ll cost? Where are the dollars going to come from? What programs will be cut to allow it to happen?
It would cost much much less.
Here's a good chart comparing other single payer plans to the US system:
http://www.grahamazon.com/sp/compare.php
What programs would be cut? Mostly you'd cut a bunch of pencil pushing and administration jobs. Think about what would happen to H$Rblock if taxes could be done at home without a computer.
If we ha(Josh - 4/4/2006 11:29:02 PM)
If we had universal Medicare, how long would it take to propagate this knowledge to these 45 million people that apparently need it?
How long would it take to tell 45 Million people: "if you're sick go to the doctor".
“if you’(Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:29:02 PM)
“if you’re sick go to the doctorâ€.
What will that do to the system though? Life isn't black and white. We progressives need to understand that to challenge Republicans. For example, in systems engineering there is common problem known as 'feedback'. In complex systems the output commonly gets fed back into the input causing instability. Put a microphone next to a speaker and you'll quickly understand this.
So in this case if people don't go to the doctor because it's complex process of paperwork and payments doctors offices are 'relatively' uncrowded.
But if you remove these complexities and people start going to doctor more often then there becomes a higher demand with a smaller supply and the price suddenly goes up for medical care.
In engineering there is also a concept known as 'negative feedback' that helps create stability. Video games often use this concept to try and match the 'bots' skill level to the players. It makes me wonder if a solution to crowding doctor offices with universal healthcare could be solved with some type of new negative feedback?
My basic question is what will your statement do to the system? Do you not care? The ends don't always justify the means.
doctors(Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:29:02 PM)
doctors offices are ‘relatively’ uncrowded
btw, in my opinion doctor's offices are currently crowded. It commonly takes women 4-6 weeks to book a GYN appointment. That's out of control.
First, they admit that health insurance is likely underreported in their CPS (Current Population Survey). It is a larger problem in the CPS than in other national surveys that ask about healthcare. One possible reason for this disparity is the fact that the Census Bureau focuses on income, rather than healthcare.
Also, the Census Bureau underreports those covered by Medicare/Medicaid. This is known from Medicare/Medicaid enrollment that the Census Bureau is underreporting those covered by Medicare/Medicaid by almost 20 million!
A more accurate estimate comes from the CBO which is about 20 million uninsured. CBO distinguishes between those uninsured for short periods of time (a few months) and those uninsured longer periods of time (a year).
IMO this is important because I don't think we should totally revamp our healthcare system for 9-13 percent of the non-elderly Americans that are uninsured for some period of time.
Most of the uninsure are working for small companies that don't offer health insurance. Over half of these are single adults with no kids.
Note that I am not saying there isn't a problem, or that nothing should be done. But we need accurate information to understand what the problem really is before we try and solve the problem.
Don't confuse that with "We need more time to forge the requested documents."
When will conservatives realize that fiscal and social responsibility are the domain of Democrats like Tim Kaine?
Charles: "Heh heh heh!"
You can definitely tell a campaign is desperate when they try to make hay out of a $100 fine. That's barely a traffic ticket.
"Hello Barbara.....I mean Laura....bloody hell!"
I say, Camilla just told me she saw Condi giving George a blow-job. Camilla is worried that if this gets out, George might be impeached...
Barry Hagge
National Secretary
"I'm not sure this will have much impact at this point. The Kaine campaign was fined $100, and the issue referred to prosecutors. This kind of thing happens frequently in elections and rarely affects the outcome."
This is the same crap we've been treated to by the Kilgore team the past few days. Potts is a conservative and you know it - he's not an alternate choice for democrats or moderates. And since it's clear you're a Kilgore supporter we can only hope you are true to your word and pull the lever for Potts.
For the(Josh - 4/4/2006 11:29:15 PM)
For the record, SurveyUSA goes into the clubhouse with its final
projection (based on Saturday, Sunday and Monday polling): Kaine 50%, Kilgore
45%. A closer outcome still is possible.
Kaine 50%, Kilgore 45% - I'll take it!
It's critical to email and call all of your pro-choice friends (even those who may not be very political) to let them know that Kaine IS pro-choice and that these are deceptive calls by a national REPUBLICAN Governor's group.
Every vote must be produced, and we must not stop working like hell!
As I've said before (and ripped off from Wayne's World), "I'm Not Worthy"!
GOTV!
I am so glad he insists on the recount.
I cannot express verbally how much respect I have for Creigh. He is an awesome man, and I really hope that the recount makes him our next AG. With Creigh we will have someone looking out for us and our children in the position.
Why not continue the success of this blog to the greater good of the mid-term elections next year?
This blog would definately help the Dem candidates as it did for Tim Kaine. Maybe, with a new focus and name change to RaisingDemocrats?
Please consider this. Give this some thought. Don't fold your tent, please. I'm sure others here would generously contribute to keep this blog going strong.
If you haven't already, send your contact info over to Lowell/Josh let them know you're interested in helping to grow RaisingKaine into something bigger.
"It was(Josh - 4/4/2006 11:29:21 PM)
"It was all about the suburbs," said Kaine pollster Peter Brodnitz, when asked whether he was surprised Kaine had won in Loudoun and Prince William counties, usually safe havens for a Republican candidate. "The whole strategy was designed for those people."Although those voters may be socially conservative, Brodnitz said the more important issues for them are those that affect why they live where they live. That led to Kaine proposals on property tax relief, on spending more money on education, and to respond to their complaints about growth and traffic.
By contrast, Warner recalled how Kilgore made comments at the end of the campaign that he was the "pro-gun-owner, anti-tax, limited-government, anti-illegal-immigration, pro-public-safety, pro-death-penalty . . . trust-the-people conservative."
"Ninety-eight percent of the job is how you balance the budget, how you educate kids, how you deal with transportation," Warner said. "People like to see stuff getting done."
People want their elected representatives to get things done. You can only go so far by dealing in wedge issues. In Virginia, the majority now believes that we have gone far enough.
The Republican party isn't dead, but the reactionary radical movement that has propelled it for the last 30 years deserves to be. Bush is the fulfillment of all Conservatives dreams come true. Conservatives can't blame the failures and weakness of the last 5 years on Bush. This nightmare was created and responsbility must be shared by the Conservative Movement as a whole.
Kaine was the man that brought us all together. He is the Governor-Elect. It is like any other monument to great leaders.
NONE of us will forget the election of 2005 and it is Tim Kaine that made that happen.
So if I get to vote I say keep it "Raising Kaine". It is a symbol for Raising Democrats, but the name remains the same! It has meaning and a rich history!
And if we're lucky, and will eventually be able to move home to Virginia, I'll be using Raising Kaine to find my local Democrats before I even arrive.
Keep up the great work!
- Evan M.
Now that Kaine has won the governor's office, in many ways the most difficult battles are still to come. Transportation, education, health care these isssues present colossal challenges and we could all benefit from reading about Tim Kain's efforts to move Virginia forward. Also it would be good to follow the votes in the house of delegates.
Finally, my one criticism is that every once in a while this blog goes a little over top. Now I know this is the nature of blogs, but let us be better than the other side. One of the most heartening effects of this election was Kilgore's outlandish death penalty coming back to bite him. Let the Republicans broadcast vicious fabrications; we just have to make sure people know the facts. But we don't need to lose our sense of humor.
Take care
About the name of the blog, RaisingDemocrats was a suggestion. For me it could be anything, even not changing the name would be fine. My central point was to keep the excellent work done by this blog alive.
For some suggestions on 2006, this blog could help train our focus on vulnerable Repubs in the House and Senate, and blog and share info on how to defeat them. Two senators that would be prime targets for me are Rick Santorum (PA) and Conrad Burns (Montana). We've a realistic chance of picking up 5 seats in the senate if we work very hard. The key is to start early by framing the issues and the candidates.
My House prime target for defeat is Tom DeLay (TX). We also have a great chance this year of gaining at least 10 seats in the House.
That's where the blogs come in place in helping to shape and sharpen our message.
We could also have sections on every state where Democrats are competing, with regular posts from those states giving us some feedback.
Mainly, the general format of RaisingKaine should stay the same. I think its great, but with a broader focus. That's all.
Thanks for the good work.
All those who can read, accross the state - make sure your Cemocratic committees are present at the recounts!!!!!!!!!!
Chris: I like it!
Bush will sink Republican campaigns, but conservatism should sink Republican campaigns.
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I'm not sure where this "getting ahead of ourselves" comment is coming from, but I agree with the Staunton News Leader, Mark Warner is just dreamy.
"Cut and Run" is a republican strawman, set up to cover the irresponsibility and weakness of their handling of this quagmire that has gutted America's future under the ignorant name of "Staying the Course".
The Democrats want responsibility, accountability and realistic goals for this Iraq war, and have even proposed a clear approach in the Senate.
The approach is so clear, powerful and on target, that the Republicans have taken it up as their own. When you're in power you get to take credit for the hard work of the smarter and more honest Senators in the Minority.
The Republicans are salivating over Hillary's money raising prowess. Her $15M in the bank is the envy of the political world. The corrupt republican leadership sold their souls for much less.
Dean's new ideas have been all about fundraising. Before Dean the Republicans outraised the Dems by 3 to 1. Under Dean's leadership the Republicans lead in fundraising by 2 to 1, and that doesn't account for the Millions of dollars that Dean has funneled into the State Party coffers.
Watch the DCCC's Campaign for Change unfold over the course of the '06 season. Americans want a Democratic congress to hold the republicans accountable for the abuses, corruption and cronyism with which they infested our federal government.
Example:I heard an interview on WTOP tday with an editor from TIME magazine explaining how Warner was named 1 of 5 top state governors in America. Not once did the editor mention Warner was a fiscally responsible DEMOCRAT, in fact the word Democrat was never used. But Bush and Republican were, and the editor linked fiscal responsibility to Republicanism, and Warner's bipartisan budget successes in Virginia to Bush's efforts as Gov. of Texas! You'd have thought, if unfamiliar with the facts, that Warner was a Republican. I couldn't believe it, called WTOP to protest such a lousy and misleading interview, but the interview was repeated throughout the day with no side comments clarifying the editor's words. We really have our work cut out for us.
DPVA must learn the lesson that the DNC didn't in the Clinton years - one man does not a party make. You've got to do the yeomanlike work of party-building if you want to be the majority and enact all of the changes you want. Otherwise, while Warner goes Forward Together, Virginia will still be going backward under GOP legislative rule.
-- Conaway
In '94 the first item in the conservative movement's "Contract with America" was fiscal responsibility. Look at the bloody mess, cronyism, corruption, and incompetence has made of our national finances.
The Conservative Republican Majority has squandered our future, our heritage, and our good name worldwide.
A government of the people, by the people, and for the people is what we can expect from a Democratic Majority.
America is stronger with our powerful military leading by example, with our budgets balanced, with our nation united, with our meritocracy intact. None of those things are possible under the Conservative Majority's Culture of Corruption (tm).
With Democrats at the helm under Bill Clinton, we had 8 years of unprecedented unity, peace, and international strength.
As I'm fond of saying:
9/11/2001, 8/29/2005 feel safer yet?
WELCOME BACK!
where have you been!?
WE'VE MISSED YOU!
Gap now sits at 357.
Today the House Democrats unveiled their "Innovation Agenda" for national competitiveness in the 21st century.
"Create an educated, skilled workforce in the vital areas of science, math, engineering, and information technology; invest in a sustained federal research and development initiative that promotes public-private partnerships; guarantee affordable access to broadband technology for all Americans; achieve energy independence in 10 years by developing emerging technologies for clean and sustainable alternatives that will strengthen national security and protect the environment; and provide small businesses with the tools to encourage entrepreneurial innovation and job creation."
This is a detailed plan with the kind of energetic messaging to stir the competitive, energetic American spirit.
I'm proud to be a Democrat.
Oh, and don't be too sure about Hillary. She'd win everything Kerry did, plus AK and possibly MS. But I agree, it's way too early for this discussion, and besides, I think Warner would do much better.
http://www.housedemocrats.gov/news/librarydetail.cfm?library_content_id=557
Having said that, I don't believe you're seeing that here, at least not from Josh or me. Quite the contrary, I think both Josh and I believe that Dems need to push a strong "Positive Progressive politics in the vein of Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, RFK and Mark Warner," if we are going to establish ourselves as an alternative to the radical right-wing "conservatives" once and for all. That way, we can connect with "Kansans," not just keep asking ourselves, "What's wrong with Kansas?"
Anyway, I stayed a (liberal/moderate) Connecticut Republican until 1980, when a bunch of right-wing hooligans and know-nothings took over the party. Then I became an Independent, voting for John Anderson in 1980. After that, I pretty much cast protest votes throughout the 1980s, as I wasn't thrilled with the Dem. nominees but I also thoroughly disapproved of Ronald Reagan's irresponsible fiscal policy and his overall embrace of the so-called "Southern strategy" formerly practiced by the "Dixiecrats."
In 1992, Bill Clinton was my #3 or #4 choice for the Dem. nomination (Paul Tsongas was #1), but still, I was glad Clinton won after 12 years of Reagan/Bush. By the late 1990s, I had definitely concluded that I was a Teddy Roosevelt Progressive, not a "liberal" or a "conservative" as they had come to be defined. I also had concluded that I had eclectic views, and could not be pigeonholed neatly into one party of the other. And that's where I am now, which I'm sure makes just about nobody happy. Oh well! :)
I organized my first political demonstration at the age of 7, when my elementary school was sold off to a private institution and I had to get bussed away. My three friends and I actually picketed outside my elementary school for about a half hour. We got no coverage, but we had a great time before we broke up and played some football before we had to go home.
I took a break from politics and concentrated on my education and my business career until a friend of mine recruited me to run his campaign for city council in Charlottesville. Ever since then I've been as active politically as time, money, my wife and the tech bubble bust could allow.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
I just wanted to know because I'm starting to like politics and i want to see if you guys started out like me.
I didn't want to spoil anyone's dinner with a picture of Dick Cheney.
This guy Lovitt isn't going to walk free on our streets, but at least the state won't do something it may regret.
His Excellency did the right thing, yet again!
I don't know how Warner makes his decisions. There is a man's life on the line. This is a win for Warner however you read it. It shows wisdom, strength, courage and it gives Warner ongoing national headline coverage. This is a powerful progressive position made from the sensible center by Virginia's own Mark Warner.
There's just too much here to comment on, I think.
Josh
"Respect my authoritaaaay!"
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051129175309990006
move along... nothing to see.
The republicans are fighting the wrong war and it can't be won.
The battle is against al-qaeda and it's taking place in 30 countries around the world. By occupying Iraq, we've created a training ground for terrorists, a potentially nationally bankrupting money-pit, and the greatest strategic blunder in American history.
Hillary Clinton is one of the smartest politicians in the history of this nation. She got swallowed up by a Republican congress intent on destroying National Healthcare and anything Liberal. The last thing she's going to do is give them ANY excuse to label her "Weak on Defense". The real weakness on defense is with our embattled president and his rubber-stamp congress who have completely failed to understand who we're fighting, how they need to be fought, and why the Bush "course" has stripped America of it's moral leadership and threatens to strip America of world leadership altogether.
Here's a hint:
George Washington never tortured his captured enemies. Consider that when you wonder about Bush's place in history.
Just calling up the local connection. :)
Good times for Dick!
Full disclosure: I got myself 'expelled' from day care when I was 9 for doing exactly that. :)
Greg Priddy
It's the Artic Wildlife Refuge to you and me.
Seriously, though, I can't emphasize enough the following irrefutable fact: We. Can't. Drill. Our. Way. Out. Of. This. Period.
:-)
Conservatives did that years ago.
We should be randomly bombing the Middle East, if not that, why did the founding fathers frame the Constitution? And what's more American than "torture as a spectator sport", I'll call up ma and get some ice cream and Apple Pie.
Now that Monday Night Football's off the air, we gotta have something to keep us going through these cold winter nights. Hell, I can't keep watching the Manchurian Candidate, The Marathon Man and Syrianna over and over. c'mon NBC you keep putting Coulter on, you keep Tim Russert on spouting Bush/Mehlman talking points... How about some REAL entertainment!
Let's feed some Arabs to the Lions while we're at it, and maybe some Sunday night Crucifictions for old time's sake!
Nothing says down home good times like drivin' a spike through blood and veins.
However, there are other kooks to be sure.
Happy New Year.
How can someone this crazy get so much air time? Americans must love drama more than we will ever understand.
Bob Marhall's entire political career has been based on anti-privacy, anti-sex, anti-birth control, anti-abortion, anti-gay legislation. He didn't run away from it. Voters knew it and they elected him.
He's a nutcase, no doubt about it. But, he's their nutcase. Until the voters decide they're tired of being embarrassed by Bob Marshall's antics and elect somebody else, they get what they asked for.
The reason? Moore criticizes the GOP, while Coulter ejaculates against the Democrats.
If homosexuality is such an abomination shouldn't we make it a capital offense? Forget elminiating rights for gays, we should just hang them or stone them in the public square. Taken to the logical end, that would be any given Sunday in Bob Marshall's Virginia.
The genie's out of the bottle, folks. Friends, neighbors, sons, brothers, teachers and on and on... the best and worst of us are gay. The smartest and stupidest of us are gay. The most loyal and least are gay... and everywhere in between.
Homosexuality is. Get over it.
Is it Government's place to tell us who we can and cannot love? If you love someone of your own sex, should you be condemned to live and die alone?
Marriage doesn't need defending against gays. Who are these gay people who are going to come in and break up your marriage? If gay people are coming to break up your marriage, doesn't that mean that somebody in your marriage is GAY?
Gay Marriage is illegal here, out of state Gay Marriages are not recognized. All this will do is to set up a battle so that employers can't give benefits to the trusted loved ones of homosexual employees.
Basically, if you're gay, die broke, die alone, but die.
What's more hateful than that?
The link i posted above is showing ALL receipts including years 2001-2005. He must have started donating to Democrats after 2000.
Am i misinterpreting these reports?
Here is(Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:55 PM)
Here is a detailed look at Abramoff's lobbying, and political contributions from Abramoff, the tribes that hired him, and SunCruz Casinos, since 1999
Abramoff gave nothing personally to Democrats. Tribes and Casinos gave to both Democrats and Republicans.
Chris what is the reference for this $30,500? I don't see it on the opensecrets site Josh posted.
At $3000, he's an order of magnitude below Harry Reid's $30,500.
If this stable-cleaning topples everyone who received $3000 from Abramoff, then we're going to need a whole bunch of new Democrats too.
On another note, on capitaleye.org there is a short article mentioning MZM and Virgil Goode.
http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Jack_Abramoff.php
According to this site it backs up the dailykos article that Democrats did not take another directly from Abramoff. The capitaleye site shows Dems received money through PACs that Abramoff was affiliated with, but this is a BIG difference.
A PAC can't control which of their donors is a criminal or not.
I don't think so, but I admit it's a complicated issue. I think it's unlikely that an answer to your question will emerge here, though, since the bottom line is that it's a Republican Party scandal. I'm trying to find something that explains it a bit better, and will post it when I do.
I will not stand here and listen to you insult the Dark Ages by comparing them to Bob Marshall.
Those of us here in Loudoun County would like to know where Mick Staton stands on the issue. And on the old Cosgrove miscarriage reporting requirement bill, too, while we’re at it.
Staton, the son-in-law of recently trounced ex-Delegate Dick Black, is running to fill the Senate seat vacated by Bill Mims. We’ll need to know where Staton stands on backward-assed caveman legislation like this.
Let him run on those issues here in what’s now David Poisson country.
Well, maybe we I'll make it up next week by cheering the up-side of the Black Death. I'll give it some thought.